The Vatican Has Fallen

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  1. SgCatholic

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    Chicago Cardinal Cupich: 'Not Our Policy' to Deny Communion to People in Same-Sex Marriages
    By Michael W. Chapman | October 9, 2018 | 1:01 PM EDT
    https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michae...our-policy-deny-communion-gay-married-couples
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    Cardinal Blase Cupich, who was appointed by Pope Francis (in 2014) to oversee the Archdiocese of Chicago, said that it was not his policy to deny Holy Communion or Catholic funerals to people in same-sex marriages.

    During an interview on WTTW's Chicago Tonight, host Phil Ponce raised the topic of Springfield, Illinois Bishop Thomas Paprocki, who had issued a decree in June 2017 on "Same-Sex 'Marriage' and Related Pastoral Issues."

    Ponce asked Cardinal Cupich, “As you probably know, the bishop of Springfield, Illinois, Bishop Thomas Paprocki, decreed in June that people in same-sex marriages should not receive Communion or ecclesiastical funeral rites. What’s your reaction to that?”

    Cardinal Cupich said, “Well, we have been asked about that already and we responded that that is not our policy and we, as a matter of practice, don’t comment on the policies of other dioceses.”

    In his decree, citing scripture and the Canon Law that governs the Catholic Church, Bishop Paprocki said that homosexual "marriage" marked "a reversal of millennia of legal and judicial recognition of the marital union as possible only between on man and one woman." He also said he had a "responsibility as diocesan bishop to guide the people of God entrusted to me with charity but without compromising the truth."

    On the "Reception of Holy Communion," the bishop decreed, "a) Given the objectively immoral nature of the relationship created by same-sex marriages, persons in such unions should not present themselves for Holy Communion, nor should they be admitted to Holy Communion (cc.915-916).

    "b) Pastors aware of such situations should address these concerns privately with the persons in such circumstances, calling them to conversion and advising them not to present themselves for Holy Communion until they have been restored to communion with the Church through the Sacrament of Reconciliation.

    "c) In danger of death, a person living publically in a same-sex marriage may be given Holy Communion in the form of Viaticum if he or she expresses repentance for his or her sins (c.921)."

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    Bishop thomas Paprocki, head of the Diocese of Springfield, Illinois. (YouTube)
    As for "Funeral Rites," Bishop Paprocki decreed, "a) Unless they have given some signs of repentance before their death, deceased persons who had lived openly in same-sex marriage giving public scandal to the faithful are to be deprived of ecclesiastical funeral rites. In case of doubt, the proper pastor or parochial administrator is to consult the local ordinary, whose judgment is to be followed (cf.c.1184)."

    On the issue of same-sex "marriage," Cardinal Cupich told the Chicago Tribune in April 2016, "It's a lot easier to tell people what they are doing in black and white. The important thing in all of this as we move forward is to recognize that people's lives are very complicated. There are mitigating circumstances, psychological, their own personal history, maybe even biological. It's not a matter of detracting from what the ideal is."

    In October 2015, then-Archbishop Cupich told reporters at the Vatican that "conscience is inviolable, and we have to respect that when making decisions." Asked about homosexual couples and whether they could receive Communion, Cupich said, as reported by the National Catholic Register, "Gay people are human beings, too; they have a conscience, and my role as a pastor is to help them to discern what the will of God is by looking at the objective moral teaching of the Church.”

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    "At the same time," he said, it was his job to help homosexual couples “through a period of discernment, to understand what God is calling them to at that point -- so it’s for everybody.”

    CNSNews.com has repeatedly asked the Archdiocese of Chicago if Cardinal Cupich supports the teaching of the Catholic Church that homosexual acts are "intrisically disordered" and cannot be approved under any circumstances. The cardinal's office has declined to answer this question.
     
  2. DeGaulle

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    The sign on the bottom says 'we all deserve the freedom to marry'. Apart from the fact that no creature 'deserves' anything (the notion is absurd), these two women were always free to marry-they just needed to get a man.

    This Bishop Paprocki is a rare being these days-a bishop...and a Catholic.
     
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  3. HeavenlyHosts

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    Totally agree, good post
    One of the devil’s greatest lies is to tell people they “deserve” something sinful
     
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  4. padraig

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  5. HeavenlyHosts

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  6. padraig

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    The Pope praised him.

    Baffling.

    If Wuerl did nothing wrong and the Pope is, 'Proud ', of him and considers him, 'Noble', why on Earth accept his resignation? If on the other hand he did very wrong and evil things ; why praise him to the heavens?

    You can't have your cake and eat it.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45835337

    '"Your nobility has led you not to choose this way of defence. Of this, I am proud and thank you," Pope Francis says in the letter.'

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    The Pope praised the cardinal's "nobility" in a letter
     
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  7. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Yep, entitlement is IMO one of the blights of pride and it is absolutely everywhere these days.
     
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  8. Denise P

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    My guess is that his ability to fund raise in his archdiocese has greatly diminished, but that he knows so much he must be treated with Kidd gloves so he doesn’t go rogue. Hopefully the laity will keep the pressure on him and he will loose his hat and all that goes with it.
     
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  9. padraig

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    These people have the moral code of an alley cat. Whatever does; do it.

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  12. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

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  13. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    At what point are people going to see past the excuse of "we did it to avoid scandal" and think to ask themselves if there might be deeper more personal reasons for covering up for these men under the veil of false mercy. Now is the time to clean up this mess, with pitch forks and fire. I have no charity left for these men and women who continue to protect themselves and their friends.
     
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  14. HeavenlyHosts

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    I hate to say this, but that point might be where God steps in to cleanse His Church and the World. But we must follow Blessed Mother's directions at Fatima. I think that might be why we are in this mess, Her words were not heeded.
     
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  15. padraig

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    Oh Dear God!! This would make a stone cry!. What horrors!!
     
  16. padraig

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    Well thank God for my Faith. If folks had not a very strong Faith this Filth..and it is total, total Filth ..would cause me to loose it.

    I hesitate to ask..but what on Earth is the Vatican doing about this?

    Sigh. Don't ask.

    What an abomination.

    I keep thinking, 'Well we can't sink any lower'. But we do. Oh we do!!
     
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  19. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    https://www.gloria.tv/article/DvdoF4RncpSG3dFMg7epebhiJ

    Benedict XVI “not as Agile as a Few Months ago” - Cardinal
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    Former Benedict XVI is “not as agile as he was a few months ago”. Therefore he will not attend the Sunday canonisation of [the highly dubitable Saints] Oscar Romero and Paul VI, according to Giovanni Angelo Becciu, prefect of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints.

    Becciu said during a press conference (October 11) that it was one of the first things Francis said at the beginning of his pontificate that he wanted to beatify and canonise Paul VI [although there has never been a popular veneration for him which is a precondition for a canonisation].

    Becciu also announced that the tomb of the future “Saint” Paul VI will remain in the crypt of St. Peter's Basilica and not be moved to the upper church [probably in order to hide that there is no popular veneration for Paul VI].
     
  20. HeavenlyHosts

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    Saying that he is not as agile..... wonder if he is using a walker or a wheelchair
     

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