I came across this video on YouTube yesterday. It's long but a good overview of the history of the Church. Having watched it, I'm more convinced than ever that Jesus protects the Church. Otherwise it would have been extinct within a couple of centuries.
Sg, Ok. It was difficult to tell from your posts what your thinking was. Obviously, I wasn't certain that you were stating that any of the papacies besides Pope Francis' may be invalid but you were asking members here their opinion about this so I wanted confirmation of what you were thinking nonetheless. Just to reconfirm what I stated in my posts to you, I was not questioning you about being a sedevacantist. The following post of mine should help explain what I am asking #9493 , if not please pm me and I will try to explain this better. I think that we all have had similar concerns at different times to different degrees but I think it is also insulting to those clergymen who are saying extremely reverent Novus Ordo masses for anyone to put in them in the same group as this Jesuit priest in the video above who is dancing to disco music at the altar and having the laity perform the wave while at mass, for instance. I'm not saying that you are doing that either but what helped me greatly was when we had the discussions of valid vs. invalid masses and licit vs. illicit masses, etc. http://www.ewtn.com/v/experts/showmessage.asp?number=317276 I am praying that we are on the verge of a very Holy Pope who will rule with an iron scepter and will help to foster a renewed reverence for the mass in all places in which the mass is said. I think that everyone agrees that this is one of the things that the Church is greatly in need of. "We believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church."
I think we need to continue our fervent prayers to Our Lord that He will grant the graces that ALL Masses be valid and licit
P., Absolutely not and No! D., I think that you are correct and he has been removed already. Small miracles are occurring all around us, thank God! *** Edited to add: We also know that some orthodox priests are being removed also, It appears that prophecy is unfolding before our eyes.
I just want to make a clarification. I know a few of you have been arguing back and forth about various topics concerning the NO and the TLM. My video of the horrible dancing festival at Mass had nothing at all to do with that dispute. I just saw the video and was outraged and wanted to share it. I have been purposely trying to stay out of that discussion. I see now looking back on it though that it could have been take as rude and as part of your back and forth. Honestly it was not directed at you Carol or anyone else. I wasn't even following that discussion. My statement of "Is this the Mass you want to attend?" was rhetorical and directed at anyone reading this thread. I really wasn't trying to step into the middle of your debate. As I've stated before I prefer the TLM because it is much less prone to abuse, but recognize that the NO is valid if done properly.
P., No, I didn't take it as rude at all. I think that we must continue to share things like that video. I agree with what you have stated above that I bolded. *** This battle between good and evil will always continue on some level until the end. Matthew 10:33-35 (DRA) But he that shall deny me before men, I will also deny him before my Father who is in heaven. Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword. For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. Cardinal: We’re not removing ‘LGBT youth’ from Vatican Synod working text Diane Montagna | https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cardinal-were-not-removing-lgbt-youth-from-synod-working-document catholic, homosexuality, lorenzo baldisseri, vatican, youth synod ROME, October 1, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) — Cardinal Lorenzo Baldisseri, the official responsible for organizing the upcoming Vatican Youth Synod, has said he will not remove the acronym “LGBT youth,” from the Synod’s working document, even though the youth didn’t ask for it to be included. The cardinal, however, has claimed that they did. At a press conference this morning, LifeSiteNews reminded Baldisseri, who is the Secretary General of the Synod of Bishops, that at the June 19 presentation of the synod’s working document [Instrumentum Laboris], he said the phrase “LGBT youth” was taken from the pre-synodal document compiled by young people at their meeting with the Pope and Synod organizers, on March 19-24, 2018. Baldisseri stressed at that presentation that synod organizers were “very diligent in taking into account the work done by the bishops’ conferences, but especially the results of this meeting with youth, of which they were the protagonists.” “They provided us with a document, and we quoted it. This is the explanation for this,” he said. Today, we told Cardinal Baldisseri that we had looked back at the final document of the pre-synodal meeting with youth in March, and the acronym “LGBT” doesn’t appear anywhere. “It’s not there?” Baldisseri replied. “No,” we said. This correspondent therefore asked Cardinal Baldisseri if he would consider removing the phrase “LGBT youth” from the Instrumentum Laboris to avoid it being inserted into the final document, and becoming part of the Magisterium of the Church. This issue is significant because there is increasing concern that this synod is being used as a vehicle for general acceptance of a homosexual lifestyle within the Church. This concern has been heightened by the fact that a new Apostolic Constitution on the structure of synods, issued two weeks ago, has established that the final document of a Synod, if approved by the Pope, would become part of the Ordinary Magisterium of the Church. By implication, this could mean the acronym “LGBT” could become enshrined in the papal magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church. The concern is further heightened by the fact that a faction within the 2014 Extraordinary Synod on the Family sought to introduce a shift in the Church’s teaching on homosexuality through their interim report, releasing the document to the media before the Synod Fathers had seen or reviewed it. At the time, veteran Vatican journalist Sandro Magister said this introduction “would not have been possible without a series of skillfully calculated steps on the part of those who had and have control of the procedures.” “Look, I am not removing anything,” Cardinal Baldisseri retorted this morning. “The Synod Fathers will discuss it article by article. All the texts, even the loftiest in the world, will be discussed.” The passage in question, contained in paragraph 197 of the Instrumentum Laboris, reads: Some LGBT youth, through various contributions that came to the Secretariat of the Synod, wish to “benefit from a greater closeness” and experience greater care on the part of the Church, while some ECs [Episcopal Conferences] ask what to propose “to young people who instead of forming a heterosexual couple decide to form a homosexual couple and, above all, wish to be close to the Church.” The Holy See has never used the acronym “LGBT” in a Vatican document. Observers note that doing so would effectively legitimize an acronym invented by the homosexual and transgender movements. Official Vatican documents instead speak of persons “who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex,” or of those suffering from same-sex attraction. The Catechism of the Catholic Church describes homosexuality as an “objectively disordered inclination” and homosexual acts as “intrinsically disordered” and “contrary to the natural law.” The XV Ordinary General Assembly of the Synod of Bishops on ‘Young People, the Faith, and Vocational Discernment’ begins this Wednesday, October 3, and ends on October 28. Edited to add: I can't help but wonder if the following is related to the Youth Synod also. I know that there will be discussions on vocations also. Cardinal Schönborn: ‘I may one day also ordain women to the diaconate’
This Pope is a heretic. I know we're not supposed to judge such things, but that is the only rational conclusion .
Isn't it amazing? The Church was formed in times in which Greek and Roman pagan practices accepted wholly as normal the practices of such abominations and yet not once did it move to offer pastoral closeness to those who practiced such things so as to bring them to the bosom of the Church and “benefit from a greater closeness”. Secular humanism is the God of many of these men.
Good point! The early Church did not dialogue with paganism and sin. It sought to bring people out of evil, heal them, and help them to live in God's will.
When we pray 'Give us this day our daily bread' in the Our Father, isn't this what we are really asking?
Yes, good point. But I am so leery now that I always pray specifically for good,valid, licit, and holy Masses. with no clowns and waves.
Yes, and today's Church does still but it is much smaller. We must seek it out however, and not accept, and fight against by our example men teaching heresies and half truths who are giving us anything but the living water. God's grace can not be ignored when it is faithfully witnessed to. Men called by God when they hear the truth they will recognize the Lord's words. Or being given over to evil they will plot to destroy it.
Sorry, I didn't mean to come across as discouraging your idea of prayer. We need all we can for this purpose. I was in fact asking a question, as it is a meaning of the phrase that has only struck me lately. I am presuming it is a request that the Body of Christ will always be offered in Sacrifice somewhere every day, no matter what the heretics in the Church attempt. Which would make the Our Father bang up to date, which it uncannily is, if one thinks about it.
Anyone who thinks this Synod is about youth is deluded. It's about lending legitimacy to the sexual relationships of bishops who have no more belief in God than your average atheist. And they are hiding behind "the youth" to see it through. Despicable, hypocritical old perverts.
