The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. AED

    AED Powers

    Amen Josephite! I realized this forcefully in 1999 when I begged OurLady to show what to do because I couldn’t get to the TLM. It is NO churches where Our Lord is so often disregarded or forgotten completely. It is there that one who loves and honors Him in His Eucharistic Presrnce can offer consolation and reparation for those who won’t.That is what I have tried to do ever since.
     
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  2. AED

    AED Powers

    God bless Archbishop Chaput.
     
  3. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Amen
    Reparations
    Thanks for your example in this matter, AED
    I remember when you shared this previously and I have taken it to heart
    You have helped me greatly
    And now Josephite has as well
     
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  4. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Guest

    The Laity Action Plan for Our Dark Times
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    The pope has no answers for us. Do we really need them at this point?

    The bishops he has promoted defend him and continually deflect public attention away from him and his camp. And what do we lay faithful do? We sit, we worry, we ruminate, we pray.

    Is this enough?

    With the hierarchy covering for themselves and their allies amid this scandal and the lower clergy without the power to implement change in this present pontifical climate, our Church leaders remain static. It seems the Church, like its lay members, as an institution (innocently and guiltily), is stalling, waiting for change to occur with a pope who has given no indication of making changes and reforms, no indication of admitting fault, no indication of stepping down.

    Let us not forget what started all of this: sexual abuse of minors, adolescents, and adults alike by clergymen and the continued cover-up from the lowest to the highest levels of the Church. These victims call for us to break the static, even when it is apparent that Francis and company have no intention of acting on anyone’s behalf but their own.

    The call to justice and action on behalf of the victims is loud. We all hear it.

    We must act. But what can we as lay Catholics do?

    Prayer and Reparation
    While the pope has called for silence and prayer, Francis’s P.R.-fueled prayer life is not what I am talking about here, nor is it what we need right now.

    Padre Pio said, “Prayer is the best weapon that we possess.” It is our direct line of conversation with God. Yes, we are already praying for the victims. But emphasis on incorporating prayer into your daily life, much like what Benedict of Nursia taught, makes everything we do an act of reparation for the abused and victimized. Offering little daily acts of suffering, or reparations, is a form of prayer. Our Lord Jesus Christ unites our sufferings eternally with His suffering on the cross for the salvation of our souls. By praying and offering our prayers as reparations, we unite the suffering of the victims with our own lesser sufferings, and we offer them up to Jesus Christ, Who alone can redeem His Church.

    Reject Modernity (as Much as We Can)
    I offer this action with a grain of salt, as I use my laptop to write this out. We all cannot be cloistered monks, giving up the modern life completely. But what we can do is reject the modernity forced upon us by secular society. There is a difference between the use of a cell phone (for the sake of comparison) and bending to societal demands on Catholic moral teaching regarding the use of contraceptives, for instance.

    Rejecting modernism here does not simply mean quietly following Church teaching on the matter. Rather, it requires us to actively stick to our guns and standing up for the Church’s stance, no matter what (even leadership that undermines Church teachings). Being the voice of Jesus Christ’s Church when society will call you crazy is what sainthood is all about.

    What does this have to do with the scandal at hand? In a world where the pope was hurting the Church well before this current scandal, where he undermines the Church (promoting unholy consuming of the Eucharist by adulterers, for example), doubling down on Church doctrine and being defenders of the faith is vitally important for the lay faithful. This is especially true in light of the scandal: when the Church’s leadership are outed as perpetrators of injustices against the people, the Church will require strong, saintly lay defenders of the faith moving forward.

    Return to Our Roots
    When a child is hurt, scared, or worried, where does he go for comfort? To the arms of his parents. The people of the Church need to run to the embrace of our Father, Jesus Christ, and our (His) mother, the Blessed Virgin Mary. We need to return to our roots – namely, our Holy Family. As in the parable of the prodigal son, Jesus Christ, playing the father, welcomes us with open arms, ready and willing to console the hurt His Church experiences. The best way to seek our Lord’s consolation is by getting back to the basics of our faith. Attending daily Masses on a regular basis, spending time in adoration with the Blessed Sacrament, and engaging regularly with a confessor in the Holy Sacrament of Reconciliation are all wonderful ways we can return to what makes us Catholic – and thus seek the solace we so desperately need as His damaged but unbroken Church. Additionally, attending the traditional Latin Mass returns us to our roots by transporting us to how the early fathers of the Church intended to celebrate the sacred liturgy. The Book of Revelation describes the Supper of the Lamb that is so very similar to the way the traditional Latin Mass is celebrated every Sunday. We can be active partakers in this Supper, particularly when attending the Latin Mass of our forefathers.

    Speak Out
    Lastly, being active and outspoken members of the Church can only strengthen Christ’s weakened bride. This goes beyond writing letters to our bishops, begging them to speak up. Let’s reclaim our place in the Church as its driving force. This starts with the seemingly mundane, daily activities we can take part in in our local parishes. Be a strong leader of your parish. Get involved. Join councils and committees at your parishes and in your dioceses. Be the support the victims in our own communities need.

    The strength of our Church as a whole starts with you. It starts at home.

    What does this have to do with the scandals we face today, right now? Pope Francis calls us as lay Catholics to lead the Church out of a scandal that he refuses to face. So be it. This is how we lead.

    While the response by the Church’s leadership has been unacceptable up until now, Pope Francis may get what he asks for. He calls us to take this scandal into our own hands. Through his inaction and silence, he may be inadvertently provoking us to do just that. Take Pope Francis’s influence for what you will, but the lay faithful will be the force the Church needs to overcome this dark time. These initiatives – fervent prayer; a desire to defend Church doctrine, tradition, and values; and enabling ourselves to lead our Church on our local levels – may seem small, but the Lord moves mountains with our small actions.

    Mother Teresa put it wonderfully: “Not all of us can do great things, but we can do small things with great love.” That’s what our Church needs right now. That is what we can do.
     
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  5. padraig

    padraig Powers

    What a wodnerful quote from Mother Teresa! I am afraid by the look of things , things are going to get lots and lots worse before they become better. I suspect we will have to turn more and more to the indwelling Jesus in our hearts. We must make our hearts tabernacles for Jesus andd be living Churches.

    Above all we must not be afraid as Pope St John Paul 2 was fond of saying. Like Mary we must wait on the Lord and store these things in our heart. For as we are buried with Christ so we shall rise with Him.

    A the minute the Church is being crucified and buried, but on the Third Day she shall Rise again in Glory.

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  6. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I feel so touched by this young priest seeking the truth. He seems so honest and sincere...but so innocent!! I thought everyone had a good idea by now what is going down, so I was surprised tho find a young priest like this who seems so, well, Lost in Space. It is touching. I am going to watch to see what he discovers. He is in for a huge shock to the system. But Bless him he is truly seeking the truth.


    Give him the thumbs up to continue his search!!

     
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  7. gracia

    gracia Archangels

    Well, there's nothing wrong with that. Rebuilding. Which is what we will have to do on the ground pretty soon, anyway. The thing that I think worries people is the inferences that past Popes have been invalid, or that there has not been a valid Pope in such and such years. Such theories skirt pretty close to Sedevacantism. Posts theorizing that Benedict XVI could still be the valid Pope and Francis is not our present Pope do, too, though I can understand why anyone would hope such a thing. It would make more sense.

    Discussing theories that could lead to Sedevacantist thoughts probably does more damage than good. I hope that you can see how and why posts and articles like that could lead to Sedevacantist theorizing. Rebuilding once the hurricane hits? Good. Going on and on about whether the weather man who predicted the path of the storm and on whom everyone was relying to predict the right path was a valid weatherman to begin with? Maybe not so helpful. Just saying.

    Like Josephite said, all of us are having to walk through a rubble right now. Pick our way, not get hurt, plan to rebuild. Do our part. Pray, hope, and do not worry, as best we can. A hurricane is a good analogy.
     
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  8. gracia

    gracia Archangels

    Excellent. Beautifully said. Thanks for posting that, Sg.
     
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  9. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Today is the Sunday before the beginning of the Youth Synod and it should be noted that the following is the Gospel for today,

    Gospel Mk 9:38-43, 45, 47-48
    At that time, John said to Jesus,
    "Teacher, we saw someone driving out demons in your name,
    and we tried to prevent him because he does not follow us."
    Jesus replied, "Do not prevent him.
    There is no one who performs a mighty deed in my name
    who can at the same time speak ill of me.
    For whoever is not against us is for us.
    Anyone who gives you a cup of water to drink
    because you belong to Christ,
    amen, I say to you, will surely not lose his reward.

    "Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin,
    it would be better for him if a great millstone
    were put around his neck
    and he were thrown into the sea.

    If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off.
    It is better for you to enter into life maimed
    than with two hands to go into Gehenna,
    into the unquenchable fire.
    And if your foot causes you to sin, cut if off.
    It is better for you to enter into life crippled
    than with two feet to be thrown into Gehenna.
    And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out.
    Better for you to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye
    than with two eyes to be thrown into Gehenna,
    where 'their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.'"​
     
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  10. padraig

    padraig Powers

    ..and you know this old Hound Dog is and contiues to be curious about the filth that the Holy Father and his Confederates in Rome and round the world have been involved in and will continue to be involved in..and that's not so bad right?:)

    I just watched the most marvellous film concerning the Washington Post and the Pentagon Papers. Those folks were curious about the War in Vietnam and a certain break in offices in Washington..that brought down Nixon? Well then curiousity can't be all bad:):):)

    Loyalty to the Church does not involve being loyal to evil that the Church commits.

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  11. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    It is my opinion (and only that) that the third Secret did not have any dates attached to it after 1960. Almost everyone who has read it has not mentioned any dates except the '1960' on the outside of the envelope indicating that it was to be opened then.

    I think Fr. Malachi Martin suffered from the same problem we all do. He was expecting things to happen quicker than they have. I think from all I have heard of him he expected events to begin at the end of Pope St. John Paul II's reign. According to what he has said it is one of the reasons that pope hung on so long even through extremely deteriorating health conditions and despite extreme pressure on him to resign. Whether that is true or not I do not know, but I think John Paul II did realize that the unfolding of the secret was about to occur.
     
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  12. AED

    AED Powers

    That was always my impression.MM believed all would be in motion by 2000. I remember him saying he always kept his eyes on the Eastern sky. I think he was expecting Our Lady. It just never happens the way we think it will.
     
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  13. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    No it never happens the way we think it will. What is happening now is not the way I thought events would go at all. It is very surreal to see things as they unfold.
     
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  14. padraig

    padraig Powers

    The Holy Spirit will always kick you up the backside!!

    I so love Him for this!!
     
  15. AED

    AED Powers

    Which is why I am not trying to figure out dates and times. At least with any specificity.We are certainly in the time—the approaching end of “theseCatholic Times” but how or exactly when I don’t think any of us can know. “The readiness is all.” ( one of my favorite lines from Hamlet)
    Having said that I do believe the 100 anniversary of Fatima was very significant. The ice began to crack and now seems to be moving toward the climax—the Reign of the Immaculate Heart—but as Churchill said “it is not the end—it is not the beginning of the end—but it is perhaps the end of the beginning”

    I’m getting very literary tonight. Lol.
     
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  16. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Sg, I really agree with this statement above from a recent post of yours here #9464 .

    This is why I questioned that statement in regards to Padre Pio and Father Luiga Villa, we shouldn't take things at face value and I pointed out that the statement that Dr. Alice von Hildebrand made in their regard is not proof of the other statement in it's entirety, do you agree with this?

    I am not questioning the credentials of Dr. Alice von Hildebrand or her husband's.

    I think we can possibly eliminate any further discussion about whether you believe that Blessed Pope Paul VI was a valid pope by asking you point blank - do you believe that Blessed Pope Paul VI was a valid pope?

    Yes, but the Novus Ordo mass is valid, do you agree with this?
     
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  17. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    That is a great Churchill quote and I think quite accurate as to where we are. The end of the beginning!

    I don't get too hung up on dates anymore either. I have my speculations as to the timeline, but at this point it is extremely open to flexibility. I could see things happening in a few years or even in a few decades. Or hopefully not...longer :eek:

    Arianism lasted centuries.
     
  18. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Guest

    Before I answer that, I would like to know why you think that I question his papacy in particular.
     
  19. Lumena

    Lumena Guest

    "Lying Prophets"

    Yesterday I watched this:



    The Priest makes a strong connection between the rejection of Humanae Vitae by many many Catholics, both Clergy and Laity and the current crisis of (some) corrupt and licentious Clergy.

    The Sexual Revolution is what comes to my mind always when I hear mentioned "1960."

    The Sexual Revolution could not have happened without the advent of the Birth Control Pill. We are all living in the aftermath of that revolution and we are each of us, in many ways, the walking wounded.

    "1960 The first oral contraceptive, Enovid, was approved by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) as contraception."

    Sister Lucia said , of the secret, "Because it will be more clear then...."
     
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  20. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    And Pope Paul VI wrote Humanae Vitae and confirmed the Church teaching against artificial birth control
    He stood up to opposition on this
     
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