Yes I am afraid this is what Pope Benedict was quietly trying to get at. But of course his back was very much to the wall with the wolves on a host of other matters. There was no way he could have enforced Liturgical Reform the Bishops would simply have laughed at him.
I believe that is people knew the value of only one simple , 'Hail Mary', they would die of Joy. Instantly. But how would people know the beauty of the heavenly mountans if they never walk there?
Of course much good came out of Vatican 2 as well. But I think as Pope Paul V! famously said, that which should have been a time of huge celebration for the Church as the fruits of the Council passed owards to the Faithful became a time of shock and horror as the smoke of Satan entered into the Church. Again and again changes that were said to be taken at the behest of the Council but had nothing whasover to do with the wishes of the Church Fathers were rigidly enforced. A for instance it was never, ever the intentention of the Father that the entire mass be changed to the secular language, in the mass or in the other Liturgies. This was a slight foreshadowing of the current Great Apostasy when the Smoke of Satan has not only entered the Church but has taken control of the whole shebang.
Our Viewing figures are through the roof again on the forum for some reason. I wonder if it has anything to do with that poor priest in Chicago?
I went to Lourdes early last year. As it was winter, there was no night procession. It was quiet and wonderful for prayer and reflection.
Padraig, I love many of Gary Cooper's movies I watched several of the them recently including Friendly Persuasion it is very sweet and heart warming. Turner Classic Movies dedicated a day to Gary Cooper this past August. Do you have access to TCM where you are? It is very good in my opinion because they show so many of the older movies. I watched all of the following movies twice recently since they all have a good message Sergeant York , Meet John Doe , Mr. Deeds Goes to Town , and The Pride of the Yankees wholesome imho. In any case, I live in a town where there is a small Quaker graveyard on Quaker Meeting House Road, established in 1690. I drive there often and think of the roots of the town that I am living in, I find it to be very interesting. I have been to Lancaster, Pennsylvania where there are still Quaker communities, I think that you would like visiting there. Sg, The nightly procession is beautiful. I visited Lourdes in August of 2015. I found it amazing to witness the faith of all of the visitors there, it was truly inspiring.
All my favourite films in the one mention! But I have never seen , 'The Pride of the Yankees' before. I must hustle to utube and see if they have it. I think they are being too strict not showing a lot of these, they are quite old now, 'The Bells of St Mary's for instance is on it. Another great old film was , 'The Inn of the Sixth Happiness'.
Ahh brilliant!! Thank you so much Carol!! Wow!! What a find, I am so longing forward to watching this.
I really cannot agree to this. For me to accept this means that I do not have real faith in the power of Mass and Holy Communion, Confession, Holy Hour, prayer including to St Michael, my guardian angel, the Saints, the Rosary and other very Catholic devotions like the First Fridays and Saturdays, various novenas etc. And I am nowhere near sedevacantism. I believe in the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church and in Christ's promise that the gates of Hell will not prevail. (May God never let me lose my faith). But I am also very aware of the devastation that has occured since Vatican II. I am in good company - Cardinal Sarah is one them, as attested to by his speech which I posted in an earlier post. Knowing this, I feel a sense of urgency to make others aware of it too, and then make our way back to what had always been practised by Catholics in pre-Vatican II days. Those were the things practised by countless Saints. Like I've mentioned before, with the knowledge that we have now, made known by various prophecies, testimonies and writings or speeches, (all discussed on the forum before) and the self evident falling away of Catholics from the faith, it is not difficult to see why it was written in Scripture that even the elect will be deceived. Matthew 24 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and produce great signs and omens, to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. Also: 2 Timothy 4 3 For the time is coming when people will not put up with sound doctrine, but having itching ears, they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own desires, 4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander away to myths. 1 Timothy 4 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will renounce the faith by paying attention to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2 through the hypocrisy of liars whose consciences are seared with a hot iron. 2 Thessalonians 2 3 Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come unless the rebellion comes first and the lawless one is revealed, the one destined for destruction. ... 9 The coming of the lawless one is apparent in the working of Satan, who uses all power, signs, lying wonders, 10 and every kind of wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion, leading them to believe what is false, 12 so that all who have not believed the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness will be condemned.
Although I didn't actually bring up the topic of my own accord this time, my question about Fr Luigi Villa remains unanswered. Does everyone not believe the following? (And if so, why?) Almost sixty years ago, “Padre Pio first met Father Luigi Villa, whom he entreated to devote his entire life to fight Ecclesiastical Freemasonry. Padre Pio told Father Villa that Our Lord had designs upon him and had chosen him to be educated and trained to fight Freemasonry within the Church. The Saint spelled out this task in three meetings with Father Villa, which took place in the last fifteen years of life of Padre Pio. At the close of the second meeting [second half of 1963], Padre Pio embraced Father Villa three times, saying to him: ‘Be brave, now…for the Church has already been invaded by Freemasonry!’ and then stated: ‘Freemasonry has already made it into the loafers (shoes) of the Pope!’ At the time, the reigning Pope was Paul VI.
Padraig, You are welcome! I hope that you enjoy it. My Dad was a huge Jeanette MacDonald and Nelson Eddy fan, he would talk about their movies but they weren't readily available anymore when he was alive. As a kid, I saw bits and pieces of them singing together on television. It was something I surely rolled my eyes at at the time. I recently watched many of her movies also because TCM dedicated a day for her too. I truly love them now also. I think that Maytime is my favorite with the two of them but I like some of the movies that Jeanette MacDonald did without Nelson Eddy also including the following, San Francisco and Smilin' Through . My 23 year old son and his girlfriend watched "Mr. Deeds Goes to Town" with me recently. It is a little slow in the beginning so it almost their interest but when it picked up they really enjoyed it too. I want to watch "Smilin' Through" with my husband soon, I think that he will enjoy that one. He rolls his eyes at the musicals and this one is not really a musical. We recently watched "Pride of the Yankees" together, it is very good since it has a historical element to it also being that Babe Ruth is in it and some of the filming is done on location like at the original Yankee Stadium. I like the way they contrast Lou Gehrig with Babe Ruth and the other players, you'll see what I mean. It's a good message. Edited to add: Padraig, Thank you for this one. I have never seen it before, so I'll have to check it out.
Sg, Is there solid proof of any of the details of the conversations that Padre Pio had with Father Luiga Villa? Since a lot of what we discuss on MOG is in regards to substantiating statements like the ones you have sited here, it is only logical for me to ask what proof is there? Are there any letters from Padre Pio or anything? Edited to add: And this is a cop out on your part, "Although I didn't actually bring up the topic of my own accord this time,". Please take responsibility for your posts. You asked a question and you were provided an answer. There was no need for you to continue to go down this road again, you wanted to.
We all know about the 15 promises granted to those who recite the Holy Rosary. Among them are these: 2. I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary. 4. The Rosary will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of men from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire for eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means. 8. Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plenititude of His graces; 13. I have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death. I believe.
Padraig, In 1970, in the USA, there was formed a priestly organization called the National Federation of Priests' Councils (NFPC). In a 1986 address to an orthodox group, the Confraternity of Catholic Clergy (CCC), a Father Richard Gilsdorf from the Green Bay Diocese in Wisconsin spoke on the radical agenda of the NFPC. What he reveals is that as far back as 1970 the NFPC had set an agenda to advance a rebellious liberal agenda. They weaseled their way into many chanceries of American dioceses and won numerous bishops to their cause. The important thing to note is they also wed themselves to the radical Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR). Together they actively fermented rebellion against Rome and the timeless dogmas of the Faith. The CCC was created in response to the influential growth of the NFPC and unfortunately was much smaller. I say this to emphasize that the rebellion in the USA was organized and led by unorthodox clergy. It wasn't spontaneous, but planned. Catechetical materials were watered down, experimental Novus Ordo Masses encouraged in the name of relevance, and a social agenda advanced. The implanting of heterodox and homosexual priests was already underway. This is why I consider the revisionists of the Council's intentions as the primary cause of our dilemma today; the implementation was hijacked! http://nfpc.org/about-us-2/nfpc-history/ http://catholicclergy.net/about/profession-of-faith-and-oath-of-fidelity/ http://catholicclergy.net/ccc-blog/ Safe in the Barque of Peter!
Vatican Cardinal: Pope Francis Is ‘Ice-Cold, Cunning Machiavellian’ The German progressive weekly Der Spiegel has ended its love affair with the pope, declaring that the Church’s sex abuse crisis is “increasingly about Pope Francis.” In a stunning cover article titled “The Silence of the Shepherds,” the magazine blasts the pope for his unwillingness to answer direct questions regarding what he knew about the serial homosexual abuse by U.S. Cardinal Theodore McCarrick and when he knew it. An August 25 report from a high-ranking Vatican official declared that the pope was aware of McCarrick’s misdeeds at least as early as 2013—since the official personally informed him—and yet lifted sanctions against McCarrick that Pope Benedict had imposed and employed him as a consultant in naming new American bishops. Yet when journalists asked the pope whether these allegations were true, and when indeed he had learned the facts about McCarrick, the pope neither confirmed nor denied the report, preferring instead the strategy of “no comment.” According to Der Spiegel, Francis, who started as a “brilliant reformer,” now threatens to squander his legacy because “he often speaks at inopportune moments, yet in important moments remains silent.” The German weekly also suggests that there is a good deal more resistance to the Francis pontificate within Vatican walls than is commonly believed. One Vatican cardinal, who spoke with Der Spiegel under the condition of anonymity, said of the pontiff: “He preaches mercy, but in reality he is an ice-cold, cunning Machiavellian, and, what is worse – he lies.” Der Spiegel drew on this statement for its cover title captioning a darkened profile of the pope: “Du sollst nicht Lügen”—Thou Shalt Not Lie. But the pope’s bigger problems relate directly to the sex abuse crisis and the homosexual network that underlies it, Der Spiegel observes, and the pope gives the impression of dragging his feet rather than meeting the crisis head-on. The Pope has convened a meeting of the chairmen of all national bishops’ conferences to discuss the matter of abuse — but not until February 2019. “This means that another five months will pass” before leading Catholic bishops travel to Rome to debate this matter with the pope, the article notes. And now there is talk of the most serious crisis of the current pontificate, it states, and of a “civil war” among the faithful, which cannot be broken down along traditional party lines of conservatives versus progressives. Rather, “whoever listens to the Catholic base, hears massive grumbling in the belly of the huge, worldwide community of faith,” Der Spiegel adds. Francis is his own worst enemy, the magazine proposes. “He has been railing against global capitalism for years, but, like his predecessors, he took in millions from Cardinal McCarrick,” it notes. “The pope praises the value of the traditional family, but surrounds himself with counselors and workers who display the opposite — in more or less open concubinage with representatives of one sex or the other.” And yet, “the man who is supposed to carry the torch of Christianity sees himself as a victim,” the article observes. During morning Mass on Tuesday, Der Spiegel notes, Pope Francis compared his silence in the face of allegations with that of the Son of God during his Passion: “When people insulted him on that Good Friday and shouted ‘crucify him!’, He was silent, for he had compassion on those people.” Victim or not, if the Spiegel article is any indication and the pope succeeds in alienating the progressive media, he may have lost his most important fan base of all. https://www.breitbart.com/national-...-pope-francis-ice-cold-cunning-machiavellian/
I will look into this. How is that a cop out? Have I not stated a fact? Here is the post you made where you brought up the topic: In response, I explained how when I originally started the thread, it was posed as a question (not as fact); as to what people thought of the article. This is a forum after all, and I was under the impression that honest discussions were allowed. Anyway, I've been informed that this post of mine has already been deleted. So be it.
More repeat: (w/ the clergy celibacy "solution" .... again!.....a re-direct from the obvious findings of the study that explained just who the guilty are truly made up of) Catholic church sex ban could be OVER as Pope tackles child abuse scandals THE Catholic Church’s ban on protests having sex could be overhauled in an attempt to provide future child abuse scandals. High-ranking clergy members are meeting in Germany to review the findings of a study into sex scandals within the church. German Cardinal Reinhard Marx opened the summit by saying the issue now marked “an important turning point”. He said: "We must do more: listen, understand and take appropriate measures." The new report found almost 4,000 reports of sexual abuse in the German branch of the church alone, between 1946 and 2014. The Brazilian Cardinal Claudio Hummes recently told Deutche Welle the church needed to consider abolishing current celibacy rules. He said: "We need a different model of clergy. In this context, we must also consider the obligation to remain celibate." Pope Francis last month refused to respond to explosive claims he covered up sexual abuse. The 81-year-old pontiff was quizzed on claims made against him by a top ex-Vatican official while speaking to reporters aboard a plane returning to Rome from Dublin. The Pope told journalists he “would not say one word” on the 11-page set of allegations, in which Archbishop Carlo Maria Viagno said the Pope should resign. Pope Francis then told the reporters to read the pages carefully and decide for themselves about its credibility. The Archbishop publicly accused the pope of having known of allegations of sex abuse by a prominent US cardinal for years. It is an unprecedented charge launched against the pontiff by a Catholic Church insider. Speaking during the flight Pope Francis said: “I read that statement this morning. I read it and I will say sincerely that I must say this, to you (the reporter) and all of you who are interested: read the document carefully and judge it for yourselves. “I will not say one word on this. I think the statement speaks for itself and you have sufficient journalistic capacity to reach your own conclusions.” Archbishop Viago made the bombshell comments to conservative Roman Catholic media during the pope’s visit to Ireland. https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/la...-abuse-celibacy-pope-rome-germany-clergy-news
