i wish I knew if this the right way to go. I’m still back at praying for a truly Holy Father—whatever that takes. I must admit to deep unease in my soul.
You get what you need when you need it I was ordering dishcloths from Walmart when I came across this towel and recognized myself immediately
Honestly, I pray every day for 1) his repentance and conversion, and perseverence in a state of sanctifying grace with eventual salvation and 2) if he won’t repent, then for the confounding of his heterodox agenda and that of all those working with him to advance it. In fact, it’s my primary intention as I offer up my own particular cross every day. It IS scriptural to pray for the confounding of the enemies of Christ, and something not enough of us do.
That is exactly my prayer. I pray for his sanctification but if that isn’t possible then a confounding ofvthe evil in the Vatican and the rescue and restoration of Holy Mother Church. This is so surreal. The painting—the quote about being the devil. It puts a shiver on my soul. How blessed I was to grow up during the pontificates of some saintly pontiffs.
Again, clear as mud....and throwing the loyal faithful under the bus. China and Vatican Reach Deal on Appointment of Bishops ROME — The Vatican said Saturday that it had reached a provisional deal with the Chinese government to end a decades-old power struggle over the right to appoint bishops in China. It was the Communist country’s first formal recognition of the pope’s authority within the Roman Catholic Church in the world’s most populous nation, Vatican officials said. Under the deal, Pope Francis recognized the legitimacy of seven bishops appointed by the Chinese government. Because they had not been selected by the Vatican, they had previously been excommunicated. The agreement was in keeping with pope’s outreach to parts of the world where he hopes to increase the church’s presence and spread its message. It gives the church greater access to a huge population where the growth of Protestantism is far outpacing Catholicism. But for critics loath to share any of the church’s authority with an authoritarian government, the accord marked a shameful retreat and the setting of a dangerous precedent for future relations with other countries. If finalized, the deal would be the biggest breakthrough in often frosty relations between the two sides since they severed diplomatic ties in 1951. It could lead them to re-establish formal relations, but as a condition China would require the Vatican to cut ties with its rival, Taiwan. If the Vatican agreed, that would mark a major victory for China. Other big questions remain, including who will have the final say over appointing bishops in China: the pope or the Chinese government. Neither side provided a clear answer. ....... For decades, many Chinese Catholics have risked arrest and persecution by worshiping in the underground churches led by bishops appointed secretly by popes. China’s Communist government has erected a parallel structure: a state-sanctioned, state-controlled Catholic church. For years, dating back three papacies, the Vatican has sought to unify the two communities. Traveling with the pope in Vilnius, Lithuania, a Vatican spokesman, Greg Burke, told reporters that the aim of the accord is “allowing the faithful to have bishops who are in communion with Rome but at the same time recognized by Chinese authorities.” Cardinal Pietro Parolin, the Vatican’s secretary of state, said that the pope had committed “to make concrete fraternal gestures of reconciliation,” and suggested that the truce would leave the church better able to function in China. Each side had claimed an absolute right to choose bishops and control the church in China. The Vatican’s initial statements did not release many details of the accord. But for months, the two sides were discussing a resolution under which the Vatican would formally acknowledge the government-sanctioned bishops while the pope would retain the right to approve future appointments. Reached in Beijing, Archbishop Claudio Maria Celli, a lead negotiator for the Vatican, said the agreement provided for “the intervention of the Holy Father for sure” in the selection of bishops. But when pressed, he would not say whether that meant a papal veto over appointments made by the Chinese government. He said only that “the Holy Father gets to say something about the appointment of bishops.” The Chinese government did not clarify the issue either. China’s foreign ministry issued a two-sentence statement confirming that a “temporary agreement” on the appointment of bishops had been signed. “China and the Vatican will continue to maintain communications, and promote progress in the process of improving bilateral relations,” said the statement published on the Ministry of Foreign Affairs website. The Vatican took a step in January in its efforts to unify the two Catholic communities in China, asking two underground bishops to step aside in favor of government-appointed bishops. One of the two preferred by the government was a member of the National People’s Congress, China’s parliament. The state-sanctioned bishops who took the places of the two underground bishops were among the seven the Vatican formally accepted on Saturday. It was not clear what would become of more than 30 underground bishops working in China who were chosen by the pope but not recognized by the Chinese government. The church’s move toward rapprochement with China has run into resistance from clerics and parishioners who have worried about forfeiting the independence they have asserted — often at great cost — by defying the government. “What are they going to do about the underground bishops not recognized by China?” the Rev. Bernardo Cervellera, a member of the Pontifical Institute for Foreign Missions and the editor of Asianews.it, said in an interview. “Or those that are in jail, or those who don’t want to belong to the patriotic church, what will happen to them?” Father Cervellera said the Holy See press office had underlined the fact the accord was provisional and “more like a promise” that a long-term solution would be found. Although details of the deal were not made public by either side and may never be officially released, a person close to the negotiations said it would allow Beijing to nominate bishops and the pope to veto unacceptable choices. This would effectively mean a more formal version of a similar arrangement in the early 2000s, which allowed consultations between the two sides. “What’s important is the re-establishment of communion between the two churches,” said Alberto Melloni, director of the Foundation for Religious Sciences “Giovanni XXIII” in Bologna. “The pope has brought home the greatest diplomatic success” in recent church history. He argued that the deal empowered the Vatican as a voice on the international scene. But members of the Catholic community in China and Rome have urged the pope not to sacrifice the two underground bishops loyal to the pope in the dioceses of Shantou and Mindong, who have endured years of hardship. Critics of the deal, including a prominent cardinal in Hong Kong, have argued that it would send a signal that the Vatican did not stand up for those who stood up for it. ....... The deal, which has several times seemed on the brink of fruition only to collapse, comes after negotiation teams met in Rome in June, when the Vatican apparently assured the Chinese that the pope would lift the excommunications of the government-appointed bishops. When the deal seemed imminent in February, the retired archbishop of Hong Kong, Cardinal Joseph Zen, excoriated a potential reconciliation as putting Chinese Catholics in a Communist-controlled “cage” and accused the Vatican of “selling out” those followers. “A church enslaved by the government is no real Catholic Church,” he said. He also said at the time that the Vatican had asked one of the underground bishops to step aside to make way for one authorized by the Communist government. The Vatican had by then already received an official request from the Chinese to recognize the seven state-authorized Chinese bishops whom the Vatican had considered illegitimate. MORE: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/22/world/asia/china-vatican-bishops.html
Again, he knows it all and therefore can lecture people who know a lot more than he does about the topic. Pope Francis Stresses Anti-Populist Message in Trip to Lithuania ......... The pope also suggested that efforts to reassert national sovereignty—which can be seen in countries like Poland, Hungary, and Italy—are reminiscent of the totalitarianism of the past century. ...... On Thursday, Pope Francis addressed a Vatican conference that sought to tie “populist nationalism” to racism and xenophobia as part of an ongoing campaign to encourage immigration. ...... In his address, Francis said that dangerous fears of outsiders are being stoked by unscrupulous political and economic players. These players sow “feelings of suspicion, fear, contempt and even hatred towards individuals or groups judged different by reason of their ethnic, national or religious affiliation,” the pope said. In his words, the pontiff seemed to suggest that the only reason citizens and political leaders would oppose mass migration is out of an irrational hatred of foreigners. ...... A rejection of mass migration, on the other hand, is fueled by selfishness and “populist rhetoric,” Francis has said. A true change of heart is needed because the rejection of migrants is “rooted ultimately in self-centeredness and amplified by populist rhetoric,” he told visitors to the Vatican in 2017. To combat this trend, we must “overcome indifference” and “counter fears with a generous approach of welcoming those who knock at our doors,” he said. https://www.breitbart.com/national-...tresses-anti-populist-message-trip-lithuania/
This priest needs our prayers--pronto!! BREAKING: Fr. Paul Kalchik Leaves For Undisclosed Location After Chicago Archdiocese Threatens Forcible Removal by Police Saturday, September 22, 2018 Fr. Paul Kalchik Just hours ago, new Chicago Auxiliary Bishop Mark Bartosic arrived unannounced at Resurrection Parish on Chicago's Northwest side and told Pastor Paul Kalchik that he had just minutes to get his belongings together and vacate the premises or the police would be called to arrest him for trespassing. Fr. Kalchik was about to perform a wedding. Soon after, Fr. Kalchik left for an undisclosed location, accompanied by his brother who had been visiting the parish. Bp. Bartosic performed the wedding instead, hastily slipping out the door of the church only seconds after concluding the ceremony. Fr. Kalchik had been ordered by Cardinal Cupich and the archdiocese to report for psychiatric counseling and perhaps confinement yesterday after controversy broke concerning the exorcism and burning of a "gay rainbow flag" on parish grounds last week. Fr. Kalchik had also called for Catholics to "boycott" masses celebrated by Cardinal Cupich due to Cupich's alleged involvement in the current clerical sex abuse scandal. The flag - a rainbow with a superimposed cross - had been unveiled above the altar by a previous pastor Fr. Daniel Montalbano in 1991 to signal that the parish would be "gay friendly." Later taken down, it was rediscovered only recently by Fr. Kalchik. Fr. Montalbano, a confidante of Cardinal Bernardin passed away in 1997 at the age of 50. Fr. Montalbano was found dead in a rectory room behind and above the altar, literally hooked up to a masturbation device of his own design. Today, a small group of parishioners not involved in the wedding but who had heard of the sudden appearance of Bp. Bartosic, stood stunned outside the Church. The group also included two employees who were hastily told by the bishop to report to work as normal on Monday. One of the parishioners, a Chicago policeman, told me of some of the bizarre events of the last week, including numerous threats of death and rape against Fr. Kalchik, at least two probable attempted break-ins or acts of vandalism, one of which included breaking keys into all the locks in the doors of the church office. And then there was the visit by two Archdiocese representatives, yesterday, ordering Fr. Kalchik to vacate his parish and commit himself into psychiatric confinement. One of these was Fr. Dennis Lyle, the same prelate who had visited St. John Cantius a few months ago to inform parishioners that their pastor, Fr. Phillips, had been relieved of his position there. Fr. Kalchik had written of his own psychological trauma after being molested as a boy and as a young adult by two men - one of them a priest - in separate incidents. It is assumed that he will not comply with the order of the archdiocese. He is not now "hospitalized" as some reports have suggested. The parishioners outside told me that Fr. Kalchik, who has been at Resurrection Parish for eleven years, has the full support of his parish. Many of them will no doubt only discover what happened, tomorrow, when coming to Mass assuming it will be celebrated by Fr. Paul, will instead encounter Bp. Bartosic. http://mahoundsparadise.blogspot.com/2018/09/breaking-fr-paul-kalchik-leaves-for.html?m=1
What I perceive in Cardinal Sarah's speech is that he was trying to make his point that there was definite devastation brought about by Vatican II due to changes in the liturgy, without saying outright that the Novus Ordo was a mistake. I mean if the problem he was highlighting was the change in liturgy due to Vatican II, what else could it refer to except the N.O. mass? He also said that more and more clergy were becoming aware of this. The problem with the illicit acts is that it makes one wonder if the consecration itself is valid. If the priest is irreverent enough to allow such illicit acts, who is to know if he actually says and means the words of consecration? This is the really weird part. So much of the rubrics in the N.O. mass are different from what was spelt out in the official documents. Besides the preservation of Latin and Gregorian chant; ad orientem, altar rails, kneeling to receive communion on the tongue, veiling for ladies, and other details should still be there; but what happened??
Maybe, but in my view, the whole situation seems similar to when with regards to Amoris Laetitia, PF said to Archbishop Bruno Forte at the Synod on the Family: “If we speak explicitly about communion for the divorced and remarried, you do not know what a terrible mess we will make. So we won’t speak plainly, do it in a way that the premises are there, then I will draw out the conclusions.” Honestly, I cannot help but view Vatican II with scepticism because 6 Protestants had a say in formulating the N.O. mass! Why??
Sadly, I cannot find any proof that V II has been good for the Church. So I ask you again - What do you feel are the good things that have occurred since V II? In answer to my question about whether you think I am doing the work of the devil, you said this: So, where do you think the devil's influence has been?
I agree. To me, to return to the truly reverent way of worship, as had been done for ~1400 years, is of utmost importance. I believe that only then will things begin to be right again in the Catholic Church.
Sg, It is very late here now so I will not be able to fully address your posts until tomorrow but I also feel that I will be repeating some of the answers I have given you already and I would appreciate it very much if you could read through the answers that I gave you earlier. I also think it would be helpful for you to read through Mario's posts on this subject once again. In addition, I want to point out to you that I did not ask you for proof that VII has been good for the Church but I asked you if you could state anything that has been good in relation to the Church since the Vatican II Council? I hope and pray that you can come up with a list of things, I only fear that you will not come up with anything. I will also address your last question above tomorrow, along with your other post #9293 .
One can not fight freemasonry within the Church if one is fighting it in a non- or anti- Church. I agree that what we have seen in the Church post-Vatican II has been an attempted Protestantization and a secularization of the Church. But many incredible Saints have also risen up in that era. Mother Teresa, Pope John Paul II, these two stand out for me in particular. I watched them on TV as a child, and they inspired me to want to be Holy, to want what they had. It is good to see where the enemies of the Church have dragged things using Vatican II as an excuse. But to get overly focused on that council can be difficult, too. EWTN is another miracle that happened post-Vatican II. They have content in both Latin and English, and are super evangelists, bringing souls into contact with the Church who might not have known.
Sg, Ok, great. Now, please provide an answer to my question that I reiterated in my above post when I asked you if you could state anything that has been good in relation to the Church since the Vatican II Council? Anything?
THIS is pretty horrifying. They have begun to kidnap faithful priests. Follow (as in stalk) faithful laity, punish faithful religious. Wow. It is coming out in the open now. THAT is creepy. Pray for this priest! Father Paul Kalchik. Lest anyone doubt there is an actual war... Our Lady, please help us to stand up and be faithful, and not be scared! Or run.
Carol, I am not sure what exactly you are asking of me. My point is that I cannot see Vatican II as having brought any good fruits; in fact it is the very opposite. Imho, it would have been better if V II had never happened.
