The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    I don't like Bono. He's a self-righteous egomaniac who has backed the Irish abortion and perverted marriage amendments, but his assertion that there's a perception of abusers being more protected than victims is right on the money. He's a poor judge of facial expression, however.
     
  2. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    How can public allegations of minor abuse, inducing a resignation that is an implied admission of guilt, and of the abuse of power via male on male sexual predation on those in positions of subservience, be a 'private matter'? Evidently, the clericalism is so rampant with these people that they consider themselves above all law.
     
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  3. padraig

    padraig Powers

    It would all drive you crazy.

    I love to go to 7 am mass early in the morning sometimes to Cloanrd Monastery which is run by the Redemptorists. It 's big draw is its huge Marian holiness ; it's a bit like being in heaven for a while for me.

    But as I drove towards the Church this morning a dark shadow came over me. This community, in fact the entire Redemptorist Order had gone over to Modernism and , 'Revolution of Tenderness'. In other words they are going at a very fast pace indeed towards Creating the False Church that Blessed Catherine Emmerich warned about.

    What will this False Church look like? Well since it is tolerant of sexual perversion , in fact is quite fine with it. No more preaching about sexual sins, in fact they will be welcomed and encourage. All talk of miracles and the supernatural/ mystical will be gutted out. ..and the end point ,well no more mass or Eucharist or Sacremnts. True Devotion to the Blessed Virgin will be at end. The reality of Christ's physical Ressurection will no longer be accepted and as far as Catholic Teaching is concerned it willl be a question of take it or leave it as you choose.

    This is the reality. In fact todays first reading warned about it:

    1 Corinthians 15:1-11

    1Now I would remind you, brethren, in what terms I preached to you the gospel, which you received, in which you stand, 2by which you are saved, if you hold it fast -- unless you believed in vain. 3For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures, 4that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures, 5and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6Then he appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. 7Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. 8Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me. 9For I am the least of the apostles, unfit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God which is with me. 11Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.


    We have been warned over and over again by Our Lady the saints and Popes that thsi time of mass apstacy from the very highest levels in the Church would come upon us..and come upon us it has.

    http://marienfried.com/catholic teachings/prophecy of apostasy.html
     
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  4. padraig

    padraig Powers

    But it's so good to see some people, at least fighting back:

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/...ners-burn-rainbow-flag-exorcism-ceremony.html

    Catholic priest and parishioners defy their Chicago Archdiocese to BURN rainbow flag that had been hanging in the church in an 'exorcism' ceremony
    • Rev. Paul Kalchik announced he would burn a rainbow flag in a church bulletin
    • Kalchik, with the Resurrection Parish Church, considers the flag sacrilegious
    • But the Archdiocese of Chicago told him he couldn't go ahead with his plans
    • Nevertheless, Kalchik said exorcism prayer was said over the flag before it was burned
    A priest and parishioners from a Catholic church in Chicago burned a rainbow flag in an 'exorcism' ceremony.

    Rev. Paul Kalchik – a priest at the Resurrection Parish Church – announced he would burn a rainbow pride flag that was once prominently displayed there.

    In a church bulletin, he said it would occur in front of the church on September 29, to coincide with the Feast of Saint Michael, Gabriel and Raphael, NBC News reports.

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    A priest and parishioners from a Catholic church in Chicago burned a rainbow flag in an 'exorcism' ceremony (pictured right)

    Kalchik, who joined the church 11 years ago, said the flag was 'unfortunately hanging in our sanctuary during the ceremony first Mass as Resurrection parish.'

    In the announcement, he described the 'US church homosexual scandal' as a 'sequel to the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.'

    But when the Archdiocese of Chicago became aware of Kalchik's plans, it told him he couldn't go ahead with it.

    Nevertheless, Kalchik and some parishioners went ahead and burned the flag on Friday.

    'So in a quiet way we took matters into our own hands and said a prayer of exorcism over this thing,' he told NBC News.

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    Priests stand beneath the rainbow flag at the inaugural Mass at Resurrection Parish in 1991

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    Rev. Paul Kalchik had announced the flag would be burned outside Resurrection Parish Church in Chicago (above, file photo) in a church bulletin

    He said the flag was cut into seven pieces and burned in the same fire pit that was used for the Easter vigil mass.

    'We did so in a private way, a quiet way, so as not to bring the ire of the gay community down upon this parish,' Kalchik added.

    'It's our full right to destroy it, and we did so privately because the archdiocese was breathing on our back.'

    Kalchik described the flag as 'a sacrilege' because it featured a cross and rainbow intertwined.

    A spokesman for the Archdiocese of Chicago told NBC that they were unaware that the flag burning had occurred.
     
  5. padraig

    padraig Powers

     
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  6. AED

    AED Powers

    Yes. Very true.
     
  7. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I am glad you both mentioned this; I thought it was my imagination. But I had a dream the other night about a world wide Earthquake and when I read this... that's what I thought too.
    If Cardinal Sepe turned any whiter he would have become a sheet.

    But perhaps it was because he spotted the police following him?

    He is one of Pope Fracnis's closest allies in Italy and was under close investigation for Financial Corruption. The whole things was later quietly dropped.

    Still he can always take up the Holy Father's option of staying quiet under interrogation. No doubt the Devil has moved in and taken over the Italian police too. To make yet another of Francis's key allies in the 'Revolution of Tolerance' look bad.


    http://whispersintheloggia.blogspot.com/2010/06/propaganda-probed-sepe-under-scrutiny.html

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  8. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    Here´s a good article on the meeting:

    Pope Faces Scrutiny over Assistance for Convicted Clerical Abuser
    [​IMG] Steve Skojec September 19, 2018 2 Comments

    Today, Pope Francis had an audience with a globally known figure. It was not Cardinal Burke, one of the four authors of the dubia, who submitted their concerns about the pope’s post-synodal apostolic exhortation Amoris Laetitia exactly two years ago today. (Two of those authors, Cardinal Joachim Meisner and Cardinal Carlo Caffarra, did not live to see their request for an audience, let alone an answer from the pope, responded to.)

    It was not Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, the former papal nuncio to America, whose 11-page report on clerical abuse cover-ups in the Church made public in August pointed a finger directly at the pope himself – a charge the pope has refused to answer, instead saying he is “not going to say a word about this” and suggesting that journalists should draw their own conclusions as a character-building exercise.

    It was also not any victim of abuse, nor any member of the international or Catholic media hoping to get answers to questions on what the pope knew about the alleged cover-ups and why he refuses to answer.

    Instead, the man the pope received, with cameras rolling, was Paul Hewson – better known as Bono, the lead singer of the Irish mega-pop band U2. Bono prominently advocated legalized abortion in Ireland earlier this year, to the dismay of legions of pro-life fans, in advance of the formerly Catholic nation’s successful repeal of constitutional protection for the unborn.

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    Bono, who met with the pope to discuss such topics as “the wild beast that is capitalism,” told journalists today that the pope is “aghast” about sex abuse in the Church. “You can see the pain in his face,” Bono said. “And I felt he was sincere.”

    Others take a different view.

    “He receives all the celebrities, like Leonardo DiCaprio, and opens his door to them,” said one Argentine victim of clerical abuse in the pope’s former diocese in Argentina, in comments made long before today’s papal audience with an A-list rock star. “And for us, not even a quick letter to say he was sorry.”

    Like Bono, Pope Francis wasn’t always world-famous, and he was formerly known under a different name: Jorge Mario Bergoglio, the cardinal-archbishop of Buenos Aires. But allegations of neglect and cover-up both past and present are catching up to the “people’s pope,” as evidenced by a group of victims featured in the 2017 Spanish-language documentary Sex Abuse in the Church: Code of Silence. Subtitled clips of the film have begun circulating on the internet in the wake of revelations of abuse about McCarrick and the pope’s alleged complicity in hiding it, all while returning the favor for McCarrick’s support of his election by rehabilitating the American cardinal’s career.

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    Screenshot taken from the documentary Sex Abuse in the Church: Code of Silence. (Click the image to see an excerpt of the video on YouTube.)

    One of the most famous cases of clerical abuse in Argentina is that of Fr. Julio Grassi, a so-called “celebrity priest” who was in charge of homes for street children in Argentina and was sentenced in 2009 to fifteen years in prison for the sexual corruption of a minor. A story by the Associated Press (AP) earlier this week has brought new light to this case – and Bergoglio’s alleged involvement in it – and has taken it from the archives of the Argentine justice system and placed it before an international audience. (Read the full AP report here.)

    The victim, known only as Gabriel, was 13 years old at the time of the abuse and testified that “on two separate occasions in 1996 the priest once fondled him, and then performed oral sex on him in his office.” Two other children from Grassi’s homes also made allegations, but these were thrown out during the initial trial.

    Although Francis was not Grassi’s bishop, the AP reports that he was quoted in 2006 by a magazine saying that the accusations Grassi faced were “informative viciousness against him, a condemnation by the media.”

    In 2010, while Bergoglio was president of the Argentine Episcopal Conference, the conference hired a “leading Argentine criminal defense attorney” named Marcelo Sancinetti. His mission, according to the AP, was to “research a counter-inquiry into the prosecutor’s case against Gabriel” and the two other alleged victims whose cases were tossed in the 2009 trial. The counter-inquiry, which totaled four volumes and over 2,000 pages, in which Sancinetti concluded that “the falsity of each one of the accusations” against Grassi was “objectively verifiable.” Nevertheless, and even after the inquiry – alleged to have been for internal use for the Argentine bishops – wound up in the possession of certain judges considering Grassi’s appeals, in 2017, the Supreme Court of Argentina showed that it was unmoved by Sancinetti’s analysis, upholding Grassi’s conviction.

    Later, Grassi testified that Bergoglio “had never let go of my hand” during the entire ordeal. He remains a priest to this day.

    The victim felt no such paternal protection from Bergoglio. According to the AP, at one point, Gabriel had to be put into a witness protection program after his home was broken into and after receiving “physical attacks and threats.”

    Gabriel also worked with his attorney to bring a letter to the Argentine cardinal-archbishop-turned-pope, shortly after his election in 2013. In it, he identified himself as the victim of “aberrant crimes of repeated sexual abuse and corruption,” according to the AP, and complained that details of his abuse, which should have been under the secrecy of the court, were publicly revealed, further denigrating him and causing additional suffering.

    Gabriel and his attorney brought the letter to the Vatican embassy in Buenos Aires, accompanied by a request for a papal audience. Rather than being received with compassion, Gabriel’s attorney alleges that they were “threatened at the embassy and don’t know what became of the letter.”

    Unlike Bono, Gabriel was never granted an audience.

    https://onepeterfive.com/pope-faces-scrutiny-over-assistance-of-convicted-clerical-abuser/
     
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  9. padraig

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  10. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    Yes, I would say many simply have no faith, they are yes men, bureaucrats who worry about their careers. They are one with the spirit of the world, in short, they are the modernists in control so many popes and saints warned us about.

    But I´m convinced that at all levels, including at the very top, there are those who have renounced God, who have made pacts with dark forces. This may be more prevalent than we imagine.

    Malachi Martin over 20 years ago and Father Amorth in 2010 ("Satan resides in the Vatican" https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo.../Chief-exorcist-says-Devil-is-in-Vatican.html) said exactly this.

    The evil influence of Satan was evident in the highest ranks of the Catholic hierarchy, with "cardinals who do not believe in Jesus and bishops who are linked to the demon," Father Amorth said. (2010 interview linked above)

    What a terrible, what a horrific thing it must be to know God is real and consciously renounce Him!

     
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  11. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I have neighbors that I believe are like this.
     
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  12. AED

    AED Powers

    It is—simply—the sin against the Holy Spirit. As Malachi Martin said many years ago “ these are the ones who bring a chill to my soul—who have deliberately and with finality put themselves outside of God’s mercy. ( I am paraphrasing from memory but pretty close to the actual quote)
     
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  13. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Sg, I want to point out the following from your article,

    A notable example of such damage would be the omission of so many psalms and psalm verses from the Liturgy of the Hours published in 1970 to replace the Breviarium Romanum.

    As all know (or should know), Pope Benedict XVI legislated in Summorum Pontificum that each and every member of the Latin rite Church may pray the Divine Office with the 1962 Breviarium Romanum.

    So you have made a very good point, many things have come after Vatican II both good and bad and thanks to Pope Benedict the Breviarium Romanum is in print again...

    [​IMG] new available! - The Rituale Romanum has been published! new

    For the first time since 1962, there is now a brand-new complete edition of the Breviarium Romanum - the traditional prayerbook for the 'divine office. Just like other "1962 editions", this new two-volume edition has been prepared according to the rubrics set forth by the Motu Proprio "Rubricarum Instructum" of Bl. Pope John XXIII on July 25th 1960. This new edition complies with the canon law and regulations and was granted the Imprimatur according to can. 826 II CIC by his Excellency Bishop Gregor Maria Hanke, O.S.B.
    These volumes present the psalms in the traditional Latin Vulgate. They also follow the high standards of the great liturgical publishing houses of old, in text layout, and in the beauty of the book exterior.

    We cordially invite you to look at the introductory information about this new edition on the following pages. http://www.breviariumromanum.com/home_en.html

    Additional references:
    The council, through the Holy See, was formally opened under the pontificate of Pope John XXIII on 11 October 1962 and was closed under Pope Paul VI on the Feast of the Immaculate Conception on 8 December 1965.
     
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  14. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Guest

    Carol, I'm puzzled by the 'good' in that statement. Were you referring to Summorum Pontificum?
     
  15. Pope Francis Invites Bishops Accused of Sex Abuse Cover-Up to Youth Synod

    Pope Francis invited several bishops accused of covering up clerical sex abuse to the Synod on Youth this October.


    Most bishops who attend the Synod — a religious meeting bringing bishops from around the world to meet with the pope — are selected by their national bishop’s conference to represent a given region, but several bishops were invited to the gathering at Pope Francis’s request.

    The pope invited Cardinal Joseph Tobin of Newark, New Jersey, and Cardinal Blase Cupich of Chicago, Illinois, both church leaders mentioned in Vatican whistleblower Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò’s 11-page testimony accusing church leaders — including the pope — of covering up instances of sexual abuse by the clergy.

    Even though the pope has gone to great lengths to protect bishops accused of covering up sexual abuse by clergy, he has attacked those who have accused the bishops of wrongdoing, likening them to Satan, “the Great Accuser.”

    Viganò, who served as the former Vatican ambassador to the U.S., wrote that Cardinals Theodore McCarrick, Donald Wuerl, and Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga recommended that Pope Francis promote the two bishops.

    McCarrick resigned from the College of Cardinals after several “credible and substantiated” allegations of sexual abuse spanning several decades were made public in June.

    Wuerl was exposed in the Pennsylvania attorney general’s report of covering up clergy sexual abuse while he was bishop of Pittsburgh. Last week, he announced his intention to discuss his resignation as archbishop of Washington, DC, at his upcoming meeting with Pope Francis, who has yet to accept the mandatory resignation Wuerl submitted to him when he turned 75, in accordance with canon law.

    Maradiaga, a Honduran cardinal who has been considered a “vice pope” because of his position of influence in the Vatican, was accused of mishandling a scandal involving homosexual priests at a seminary in Honduras.

    Following Viganò’s testimony on the cover-up within the church, several Catholic leaders had called for the Synod on Young People to be canceled because the bishops would be seen as having “no credibility” on the matter.

    “I have written the Holy Father and called on him to cancel the upcoming synod on young people. Right now, the bishops would have absolutely no credibility in addressing this topic,” Philadelphia Archbishop Charles Chaput told attendees of a conference at St. Charles Borromeo Seminary in August.

    Despite the protest from some Catholic leaders, the Youth Synod is scheduled to go on as planned in Vatican City between October 3 and 26.

    https://www.breitbart.com/national-...accused-of-sex-abuse-cover-up-to-youth-synod/
     
  16. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Well, yes, much good, yes Summorum Pontificum, yes, the permission to use the 1962 breviary, yes, countless souls baptized and confirmed and receiving Holy Communion, countless souls saved, countless ordinations and consecrations. Countless Sacraments of Confessions and marriages. God has never left His Church.
    Blessed be Jesus in the Most Holy Sacrament of the Altar.
     
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  17. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Sg,
    Many things that are occurring now remind me of the following verse from scripture and this article that you posted is one them. :)

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    Sg, Yes, my point was that many things have occurred after Vatican II and Summorum Pontificum is one them. Maybe I didn't understand your post, you did say after Vatican II or did you mean as a direct result of Vatican II? The other point that I was trying to make is that Liturgy of the Hours was published in 1970 and Vatican II ended in 1965.
     
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  18. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    We ought to ask ourselves why would God allow this? We know it is He who binds and loosens all things in Heaven and on Earth.
    It is because man demands an intermediary between us and God and we deeply hurt God by this by refusing His rule and he allows mankind to go into bondage. It goes all the way back to the beginning and the tower of Babel. Mankind wishes not to rely on God but on mankind for all things. One religion, one monetary system, one health system and the Father gives us over to it and those very rulers we demand take from us a portion of everything.
    When I think about the men and women who desire to rule over mankind and what their hearts might secretly desire I think we see the fruits of this all around us. Slavery and bondage. Ursurping of God's order. We have been warned over and over about this and what it brings.

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  19. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Insightful. Of course we knew al l this in general terms from Our Lady's messages, but to see it right out in the open is like a dagger in the heart.

    How merciful God is in putting up with us! But it would make you quake in terror the level of hell these awful people will be sent to if they don't repent. The hell bad Popes will be sent to doesn't bear thinking about.

    Poor, poor people.
     
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  20. AED

    AED Powers

    They must think we are incredibly stupid. Tone deaf beyond belief. No sense of the outrage and the atrocity of this. That is what is truly scary. NO conscience.
     
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