The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I had a very similar experience
     
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  2. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Apart from anything else what he is doing is totally illegal and criminal; he should be in jail,.

    Not only illegal as regards secualr law such as the USA, but acccording to Church Law too.

    By rights he should be going to jail for a long , long time.

    (in USA Law by outside Foreign influenece in a Domestic Election)
     
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  3. AED

    AED Powers

    God help us. I think of a film I saw awhile ago called The Darkest Hour. I think we might be in that hour. In spiritual warfare assailed on all sides. Tomorrow is an Ember Day. The people on Catholic radio here have asked any who could to join them in the fasting and abstain from meat and penance as the traditional Church used to require. I’m going to do it. For all the souls that are at stake.
     
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  4. Donna259

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  5. Fatima

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    Try 8 billion :eek:
    When my dad was born in the 1920' there was 2 billion.
    In the early 1800's there was only 1 billion.
    Bottom line, more people could end up in hell in a short period of time through God's chastisements then all the previous 6,000 years of human history combined. Now we know why Our Blessed Mother is weeping......
     
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  6. Donna259

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  7. HeavenlyHosts

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    “......and lead all souls to Heaven, especially those most in need of Thy Divine Mercy”
    Not to mean all souls are going to Heaven, but that our prayers hopefully help souls more than we might think now
     
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  8. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    Don't worry folks. China is about to become a "Pope Francis Catholic" stronghold: https://www.americamagazine.org/pol...ail&utm_term=0_0fe8ed70be-cf3d8f3267-58632477
    Apparently, the details of the agreement will be a secret so we won't know whether all the members of the new Catholic Church in China will follow the lead of the Patriotic Bishop who says that his first allegiance is to the Chinese government.

    America Magazine is run by the Jesuits. This time last year, they uploaded a video on Youtube about Catholicism in China. I wonder whether the seminary in the video is the same one that hosted Cardinal McCarrick when he travelled to China after Cardinal Vigano warned Pope Francis about McCarrick's fondness for seminarians. I expect the Chinese Government knew what everyone except the Pope and his fellow American Bishops didn't know about McCarrick.



    AsiaNews is a very reliable Catholic news outlet. It's based in Italy but gets its news from Catholics on the ground in Asia. This priest tells a different story than that portrayed by the Jesuit video: http://www.asianews.it/news-en/For-...n-and-betrayal-has-not-yet-arrived-44854.html
     
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  9. Texas Mama of 2

    Texas Mama of 2 Archangels

    I know, Padraig... I feel the very same way. I’m wondering if it would displease Our Lord and Our Lady if I took the small photos of him off the wall in our girls’ rooms... I just get so upset when I look at him. :(
     
  10. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    I am having a very tough time with all this. To allow a communist government to elect Bishops who's allegiance is firstly to the ATHEIST COMMUNIST STATE?

    A secret agreement? This is simply beyond the imaginable.
     
  11. Dolours

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    Not sure it will matter all that much going forward, Don, because the Catholic Church as we know it will be unrecognisable within a few years. Pope Francis has issued a new document giving national Bishops' Conferences magisterial authority. The bottom line on that is that Catholicism will vary from country to country - rather like Protestantism. Looks like he also intends to give non-Catholics an input. Imagine how that will work out in, say, Germany. I wouldn't be at all surprised if part of the secret aspect of the agreement gives an assurance that the Catholic Church won't oppose China's two child policy. Very likely, there will also be a provision for laity (the Communist Party) to elect candidates for the episcopacy, making it look like the faithful chose the Bishop. If that should be the case and if it became known outside China, the "Catholic Spring" crowd will be lobbying for democratically elected Bishops worldwide.

    As it all unfolds, the part of the Fatima message about the Dogma of the faith being preserved in Portugal makes more sense. This will be spun as as more transparency - a solution to the abuse crisis. Bishops didn't have autonomy over Doctrine but they did have control over the deployment of priests in their dioceses. It was Bishops and not the Vatican who moved abusers from parish to parish or between dioceses. Now he is turning the papacy into a rubber stamp - a titular role rather like that of the British monarch in Anglicanism. At least the Germans won't have to buy doctrinal "developments" - they can go ahead and invent new doctrines every time they meet without bothering that someone in Rome will correct them for preaching a false Gospel.

    See the attached report from the National Catholic Register: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/pope-francis-boosts-authority-of-the-synod-of-bishops
     
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  12. DeGaulle

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    He's doubling down quickly, while his time remains.

    The upshot of all this is a Chi-com magisterium. Political influence will dictate the doctrine of this 'church' and this is where the strongest political influence is going to come from.
     
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  13. DeGaulle

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    The surest way to devalue anything is to over-supply the market. The Francophiles would have us believe that everything Pope Francis says is part of the Ordinary Magisterium, and now we are to accept that every document coming out of a bishops' synod will possess that status. The net outcome will be that the future OM will have the value of Venezuelan currency.
     
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  14. padraig

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    I am a little baffled about the latest Gallop Poll on Pope Francis's popularity in the USA. It is sharply dwon amonst secular/ non Catholic opinion but remains steadily high amongst Catholcs.

    How weird is that?

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/242216/pope-francis-favorability-down-sharply.aspx

    Pope Francis Favorability Down Sharply in U.S.
    by RJ Reinhart
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    • 53% of Americans have a favorable view of Francis, down from 66% in August
    • 79% of U.S. Roman Catholics have the same view, unchanged from last month
    WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Americans' opinions of Pope Francis have become less positive this month, with 53% now holding a favorable opinion of the pontiff, down from 66% in August. However, among U.S. Roman Catholics, perceptions of Francis are unchanged.

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    These data come from Gallup's latest survey, conducted Sept. 4-12, as the Roman Catholic Church faced continued fallout from the Pennsylvania state attorney general's report on allegations of sexual abuse by priests. A few weeks before the survey, Francis himself was confronted with a public call for his resignation over claims he had concealed allegations of sexual abuse leveled at a cardinal in the U.S.

    While Americans overall see Francis less favorably, U.S. Catholics' opinions of the pope have not shifted. Seventy-nine percent of U.S. Catholics have a favorable opinion of Francis, essentially unchanged from the 78% who felt the same last month. There has been no change in the 12% of U.S. Catholics who hold negative views of the pope.

    Although U.S. Catholics' opinions of Francis do not appear to have yet been affected by the latest controversies, Catholics are less positive about the pontiff than they were at his peak favorability. In 2014, in the midst of high-profile reforms to the Catholic Church, nearly nine in 10 U.S. Catholics had a favorable view of the pope. This has now fallen to nearly eight in 10.

    Views of Francis among non-Catholic Americans have dropped substantially during the same period. Among these Americans, 45% now hold a favorable view of the pope, compared with 63% last month and 72% in 2014. Similar drops in the pontiff's favorability have occurred among most other groups.

    Francis Compared With Other Recent Popes
    The impact of recent controversies on Americans' attitudes toward Francis is analogous to the impact of a similar scandal on his predecessor, John Paul II. The percentage of Americans with a favorable view of John Paul fell precipitously from 86% in 1998 to 61% in 2002, after a sexual abuse scandal was uncovered in 2002.

    While Americans' views of Francis have clearly taken a substantial hit, he is still more popular than his immediate predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, was before he left the papacy. In Gallup's final reading on Benedict, in 2010, 40% of Americans viewed him favorably and 35% unfavorably.

    Bottom Line
    Americans' views of Pope Francis have been substantially affected by the controversies facing both the church and Francis himself, just as occurred for Pope John Paul II in 2002. The decline in the pope's positive image is concentrated among non-Catholics -- U.S. Catholics' opinion of Francis are unchanged. This lack of impact for Francis among Catholics may indicate that the level of fallout the pope experiences will be limited. U.S. Catholics may not hold Francis responsible for the current controversies or may agree with the pope's response to them so far.
     
  15. padraig

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  16. padraig

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    http://en.protothema.gr/immigration-crisis-causes-a-drop-in-pope-franciss-popularity-in-italy/

    Immigration crisis causes a drop in Pope Francis’s popularity in Italy

    Aug, 06 2018 Author: Thema Newsroom
    The poll was published in La Repubblica

    Pope Francis’ popularity has fallen in five years from 88% to 71%, according to a poll published in Italian newspaper La Repubblica.

    Pope Francis remains the most popular Pontiff of recent decades, but according to Demos’ research poll, since his election in 2013, the popularity of the head of the Roman Catholic Church fell from 88% to 71%

    The newspaper comments that this decline may also be due to the fact that the Pontiff was an outspoken supporter of the rights of immigrants and refugees, “while there is a climate of fear regarding demographic changes and movements “.

    83% of the Democratic Party’s center-left voters say they appreciate the work of the Argentinian Pope. In contrast, only 73% supporters of the Five Star Movement and 70% of those in favour of the Lega 70% see the Pope in a favourable light. Finally, for young people aged 15 to 24, the popularity of the pope stands at 54%.
     
  17. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    Yes, with the Church accepting State influence in China, there is nothing to stop governments throughout the world demanding the same influence. He's certainly a man in a hurry, pushing through as many changes as possible. Looks like he is clearing the decks getting ready to retire. Once the Church is fragmented (Protestantised), it doesn't matter who succeeds him as Pope. I'm glad I'm old because if he institutes the ecumenical Mass real Catholic Masses will be hard to find.

    These changes have been decades in the planning. Listen to this interview from 1996. It's not the same interview as posted earlier in this thread. Fr. Martin was expecting Pope John Paul to retire or die within a year. Many people believe that it would have been better had he resigned then because a younger Pope Benedict would have more strength and more time to clean house. Wishful thinking on their part. Go to about the 1 hour 20 minute mark because it's a very long interview and the first part is not relevant to this topic.
     
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  18. HeavenlyHosts

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    Thank you for the views from the pews
    Ugh
    Today is feast of st Januarius
    San Gennaro
    Someone check and see if his blood liquifies today
    I might not be able to check
     
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  19. Donna259

    Donna259 Powers

    I think I know why.....
    nobody can tolerate someone who won't investigate Pedophilia....it smacks of a cover up....that's all...quite simple.
     
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  20. HeavenlyHosts

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    Cardinal Wuerl is in Rome now.
     

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