Dr Robert Moynihan takes a great interest in all this from Rome. You can subsribe to his letters for free by email. Hit the, ' subcribe to our newsletter', button. The Orthodox are splitting in two and are at each others throats big time. It's all over the issue of Independance for the Ukranian Orthodox Church. It's no accident this is happening at exactly the same time we are having our own issues, though they seem small compared to the Orthodox who are tearing themselves apart. This is the work of the devil. https://insidethevatican.com/tag/moynihan-letters/
I think its not orthodox or liberal...its God vs Satan. What the church has protected is evil and demonic. If the clergy agreed with me... then they would clean up this mess. And yes, I believe in compassion...if they ask for forgiveness, may God forgive them. But after forgiveness, they must have consequences for their EVIL actions. Those consequences should be given to the civil authorities. "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's".
The devil is hugely active at the minute, when you have Cardinals and Bishops and Patriarchs at each others throats in both the Catholic and Orthodx Churches this is a Great Sign of Evil at work in our poor world. 'The work of the Devil will infiltrate even into the Church.....'
The Orthodox have always tended to be too political. This now seems to be their undoing. The common thread seems to be that the prevailing sin (homosexual effeteness among the Latins) is what leads to destruction.
We have to be careful in our own Spiritual Lives. If he can cause Bishops and Cardinals to go off the rails what might he not do to us poor sheep? But I don;t think the Devil goes for the samll the little one's first. Pride blinds him and so he goes top down rather than down up. The little ones, the layfolk he despises. He bends his greatest efforts at the most powerful, especially in the Church.
I grew up with my 100 percent irish american mom and grandmom, they are lomg gone but my mom telling me so many things about the warning, freemasons etc. And here we are. . the rosary is our weapon. We cannot become discouraged.
No popcorn for me, I'm feeling queasy often lately. This is from the ComplicitClergy site, I might be wrong but the original article appears to be dated 9/5/2018, Vatican Scare: All the Names on the Gay Lobby List Posted September 14, 2018 Peter | http://complicitclergy.com/2018/09/14/vatican-scare-all-the-names-on-the-gay-lobby-list/ NOTE: this is a Google translation of an article from the Italian newspaper Il Fatto Quotidiano and thus may not be grammatically correct. Behind the tenacious silence of the Vatican leaders compared to what was denounced in the now famous document of the archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò there could be the fear of being denied by new facts and events that would lead to the explosion of that “atomic war” of which – from days – internal voices to the Holy See refer. Yesterday we told you the “Farrell case”: it would be deposited in the Vatican, at the Congregation for the Doctrine for the Faith that deals with investigating sexual crimes and against morality, a dossier on the auxiliary bishop of Washington, Kevin Joseph Farrell, who if not denied, it would fall on the Pope like a boulder. Farrell, appointed directly by Bergoglio as head of the family dicastery, would have coexisted with Theodore McCarrick, a former cardinal, formerly archbishop of Washington, involved in several cases of sexual abuse against seminarians. Contacted the Congregation for a comment, or possibly a denial, the answer was: “There will be no communication”. The Vatican therefore does not deny Il Fatto Quotidiano, but chooses the strategy of silence as for McCarrick. Also because the concerns of the Holy See do not end here. The new clouds on the horizon concern the concrete possibility that documents contained in the investigation that cardinals Julián Herranz, Jozef Tomko and Salvatore De Giorgi delivered to Benedict XVI before his resignation emerge. The report contains a detailed and disturbing picture of the moral and material corruption of the clergy, with names, surnames and circumstances. We are exceptionally able to view a document with papal header contained in the investigation, and here we publish an excerpt: it is a list of prelates and laymen who belong to the so-called gay lobby, which through blackmail and secrets could affect, or have conditioned , positions and careers (theirs, like those of others). We will not reveal the names listed in the list, but we can confirm that among the names there are people removed from the Pope, others moved from the office, others who still hold important positions within the strategic organs for the Vatican, such as Propaganda Fide and even the Secretariat of State. The investigation of the three cardinals Herranz-Tomko-De Giorgi has so far remained top secret. However, a small but not small circle of people has had the opportunity to read it, and this already before the Conclave, to give a hand to the Holy Spirit who would then take Bergoglio to the papal throne. To draw up the dossier, tens of priests and high priests were questioned, and documents of all kinds were collected. If public opinion were to know the content of the final report it would be a disaster for the image of the Church, already devastated in the whole world by sexual scandals. But this is what could happen in this phase, since the roaring of crows is a secular practice in the Vatican that comes out every time the gang war gets tougher. And this time the war is with the Pope himself. Bergoglio, moreover, certainly cannot count on the protection of the Curia, given the complicated relationship that has been established right away, for questions of power, personal and doctrinal (remember only the question of the doubts raised by four cardinals to the Pope on encyclical Amoris Laetitia, in which Bergoglio opened to the communion for the divorced and remarried ones). But Francis cannot even count on some of his most powerful friends and supporters, overwhelmed by sex scandals themselves or for having covered such behavior: from McCarrick to Farrell, from Cardinal Roger Mahony to Cardinal Godfried Danneels, from Chilean prelates to the powerful cardinal George Pell, the Vatican’s number three, currently in Australia on trial for multiple sex crimes. Pell wanted to resign from the post of Vatican Finance Minister, but the Pope preferred a simple leave. Moreover, when he was appointed number three of the Vatican its events could not be known to Bergoglio himself. We ask through these pages to Pope Bergoglio, Secretary of State Parolin to clarify about McCarrick, Farrell and the commission of the three cardinals, on moral issues we cannot hide behind silence. Church reform also passes through the truth. Edited to add: *** Fri. Sept. 14, 2018 by Maike Hickson Leaked German abuse report shows manipulation from both bishops and scientists
I see that the leader of the Greek Byzantine Catholic Church, a tiny Byzantine rite Greek Church which has been in communion with Rome since the mid 19th Century, has excommunicated Pope Francis for heresy. So the schism (which PF foretold that he might be responsible for) has, in fact, begun, if in a very small and obscure way that will be little reported or acknowledged. I believe that we can expect other non-Latin rite churches, currently in communion with Rome, to separate themselves from the Church and that this might become a feature of this papacy and may take many years to repair.
Are you sure that they were in communion with Rome? I think that they may be a group which splintered from an Eastern Rite Church in Ukraine back in 2009. I think the Church they split from is in communion with Rome. It's hard to keep track of all those Eastern Right/Orthodox Churches but the result of my web search suggests that their split may have had something to do with the Ukraine/Russia conflict.
It certainly makes one think. Why wait so many years to release information from such a document. That is a long long time to sit on something of that magnitude. A huge scandal. Probably the biggest scandal ever if one includes the heresy leading up to it. Padriag brings up an interesting point as well with the schism in the Eastern Church happening at the same time. It is serious. Are these coincidences? I don't believe in coincidence so there is more to this. Who stands to gain? Archbishop Vigano seems the least of the worries of Rome now.
The Greek and Russian Orthodox Churches have been in dispute about various matters for centuries and the dispute between Ukraine and the Russian OC seems unlikely ( as far as I understand things) to be of much interest in Greek churches affiliated with Rome or to the GOC which considers itself to be only in loose communion with other OC's and superior to them in terms of being the true expression of truth within the communion (as does each of the independent churches of Orthodoxy). There are a number of formerly Orthodox church communities now in communion with Rome and, as you say, matters are complicated, however if they begin to dissociate themselves from Rome (and who could blame them?) a domino effect could begin. When such churches excommunicate the Pope, they also excommunicate those in communion with the Pope (currently you and me). Remember that, when the Great Schism occurred, the Pope and the Patriarch excommunicated each other (and their successors) and these excommunications were only withdrawn quite recently. It is notable that the ROC recognises Catholic ordained orders but the GOC does not, which is a measure of their 'unity'. The ROC has, since the secret police of the USSR took over that body, been trying to break away from the 'oversight' of the Patriarchy of Constantinople and to 'take over' the whole of Orthodoxy and this did not stop with the break up of the USSR but continued under the current Russian patriarch who is believed to have been a planted agent of the Russian secret police and who is a client of the murderous thug Putin. The ROC is seeking primacy by reason of its majority within Orthodoxy with the support of Putin above the traditionally recognised primacy of the Ecumenical Patriarch, based in Turkey with almost no membership.
Were they ever "on the rails"? Or were they simply wolves in disguise, before they ever entered the ranks?
