a Conservative Catholicism that Doesn’t Exist

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by BrianK, Aug 9, 2018.

  1. AED

    AED Powers

    And wasn’t that the devil’s plan all along?
     
  2. AED

    AED Powers

    I just said that a minute ago to Padraig. Exactly the way I see it too.
     
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  3. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    1I have told you this so that you may not fall away. 2 A time is coming when everyone who kills you will think he is offering worship to God.
    3They will do this because they have not known either the Father or me.
    4I have told you this so that when their hour comes you may remember that I told you.

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  4. AED

    AED Powers

    If every Catholic is complicit then every politician and voter allied with Clinton is complicit. Every actor and director and crew allied with Harvey Weinstein and James Gunn et al is complicit. How about those who paid to see their movies? This is utter absurdity.
     
  5. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I am not too sure about the devil wanting this thing way out in the open. He does his very best work in darkness ; as does his children. They hate the Light. I am more inclined to view the exposure as the work of God. It is no accident , I suspect that this all burst out into the open on the Feast of the Assumption.

    If you ever noticed about evil people; the one thing they fear is the clear unvarnished truth.

    I am glad this is all out in the open. Or at least it is starting to come out. Better that than hidden in the dark.
     
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  6. AED

    AED Powers

    This is a hopeful reading. We can use all the hope we can get.
     
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  7. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Guest

    The following is one of the comments below that article:
    "Why doesn't the world court step in and at least recommend that the RCC be dissolved. It serves no significant beneficial purpose and the harm it brings to the world is dreadful and overwhelming."

    The persecution has begun.
     
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  8. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    What do you think the mob will do to our places of worship? Our art? Anything resembling that of the Faith?
    It's straight out of Lord of the World.
    It is absurd. Then again it shows the level of hatred for the Bride of Christ by secular humanists and the level they will stoop to in the pursuit of persecuting the members of the Church.

    It reminds me of the book Lord of the World. Specifically the spirit of the mob which takes over and the woman who ends up taking her own life via euthanasia because of her disillusionment with the movement that seeks to kill all who will not submit to the religion of man.
     
  9. Jarg

    Jarg Archangels

    This is really a must read - best article on the abuse crisis I have seen.

    What do you want to know?’ The Catholic reaction to bishops and sexual abuse
    by JD Flynn

    Washington D.C., Aug 16, 2018 / 12:08 pm (CNA).- Among the sexual abusers mentioned in the Aug. 14 Pennsylvania grand jury report, one priest merits particular attention.

    Rev. David Szatkowski, SCJ, is mentioned in the section of the report concerning the Diocese of Allentown. In 2011, he was arrested and charged with sexually assaulting a child.

    In August of that year, Szatkowski, a seminary professor, attended an academic conference in Wisconsin. The priest, drunk late one night during the conference, approached a group of teenage girls outside his hotel, talked with them for a while, telling them that he was a lawyer and acting, in the words of one witness, “touchy.” Eventually, witness accounts and police reports say, Szatkowski forcibly embraced a 15-year-old girl and groped her breasts.

    Several months later, prosecutors announced in a statement that they had dropped the charges, in “consultation with the victim about her wishes regarding the outcome of the case.”

    Szatkowski, charged with sexually assaulting a child but not convicted, serves now on the “formation team” of his religious community, working with young aspirants to priesthood.

    The priest does not stand out in the grand jury report because of the gravity of his case. Indeed, allegations against Szatkowski are not mentioned in the report at all. Instead, Szatkowski is mentioned because, three years after facing criminal charges for sexually assaulting a child, he was permitted by the Bishop of Allentown to serve as the canon lawyer- the procurator and advocate, in technical terms- for Fr. Michael Lawrence, a priest accused of sexually assaulting two adolescent boys.

    In fact, Bishop John Barres, then Bishop of Allentown, relied heavily on Szatkowski’s canonical advocacy in a 2014 letter written to stave off the possibility that the Vatican might laicize Lawrence.

    This extraordinary turn of events bears repeating. In 2014, a bishop allowed a priest who had been charged with criminal sexual abuse of a child to serve as the canon lawyer for another priest charged with criminal sexual abuse of a child. Apparently no one in Szatkowski’s religious community, the Diocese of Allentown, or the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith questioned the wisdom of that plan.

    Anyone who finds it difficult to understand the anger and resentment of Catholics toward their bishops in recent weeks need look no further than that story.

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    It is not breaking news that priests have committed unspeakable acts of sexual abuse. Nor is it new news that bishops have acted negligently, failing to use their authority responsibly. Since at least 2002, sexual abuse committed by priests in the United States has been catalogued and made publicly available in media reports, depositions, lawsuits, and police reports. And in that same time period, the negligence of bishops has been well-documented.

    But the grand jury report released Aug. 14 is unique- unparalleled, really- in scope, magnitude, and in the level of detail it provides. And the report was released as the Catholic Church in the United States was already in the midst of the serious crisis that began when credible sex abuse allegations against then-Cardinal Theodore McCarrick were announced June 20.

    Unlike the 2002 reports of clerical sexual abuse, the Pennsylvania report was also released in the wake of the #MeToo movement, and after revelations emerged of sexually abusive and coercive behaviors among figures in positions of power in other professional, political, and cultural contexts. The #MeToo movement has led to a more outspoken cultural opposition to coercive sexual behaviors and the abuse of power. That movement is the lens through which many Catholics are now viewing sexual abuse and cover-ups in the Church.

    As a consequence of those things, the report has led to expressions of outrage, confusion, hurt, and mistrust from priests and deacons, religious sisters and brothers, Catholic and secular media outlets, ordinary lay Catholics, and from other Christians.

    Commentators have condemned the alleged and suspected acts of abuse themselves, and the documented responses of bishops to that abuse. But they have mostly focused their anger on the apologies, statements of regret and contrition, and explanations that bishops have offered in recent weeks.

    The response seems to exceed even the anger during the “Long Lent of 2002,” which could also be attributed, at least partially, to the fact that Catholics have already gone through this experience, and many expected that the crisis had been abated, and that bishops were not tolerating coercive sexual immorality in the Church. The McCarrick revelations dashed those expectations. The grand jury report has been like acid poured into the newly opened wound.

    Cardinal Donald Wuerl of Washington, formerly Bishop of Pittsburgh, has received some of the most serious criticism. Wuerl, already facing questions about his knowledge, negligence, or complicity in allegations against McCarrick, now faces the charge that he negligently permitted at least one sexual abuser to remain in priestly ministry after allegations were known to his diocese.

    It should be noted that Wuerl has disputed many assertions contained in the grand jury report, as has Donald Trautman, the former Bishop of Erie. It should also be noted that the report contains allegations that have not been subject to a trial, and that serious objections have been raised about whether the due process rights of those named in the report have been respected. Eventually, sources tell CNA, questions will also be asked about Pennsylvania's attorney general, whose office drafted the text of the grand jury report, and about his political motivations.

    It should also be mentioned that the grand jury reported predominantly on crimes that took place decades ago. The report recognized that “much has changed over the last fifteen years,” affirmed much about contemporary child protection policies, and noted the efforts of Pennsylvania’s current bishops to be transparent and forthcoming.

    But at the moment, most Catholics are uninterested in explanations, or in discussions of the report’s finer points. The statements issued by Pennsylvania’s bishops, by Wuerl, and by the leadership of the USCCB have seemed only to fuel anger.

    In fact, Wuerl and his staff have faced especially sharp criticism for launching a website, “thewuerlrecord.com,” that purported to “provide additional content not included in the [grand jury] report on Cardinal Wuerl’s work as longtime advocate and voice on this issue.” The site lasted fewer than two days before being taken down, amid calls from several prominent commentators for Wuerl’s immediate resignation.

    It is worth asking what, exactly, Catholics now want from their leaders, what has prevented some bishops from satisfactorily addressing sexual abuse and the fallout from recent revelations, and how the Church can now respond to an obviously significant point of crisis.

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    The grand jury report’s introduction says that in the face of sexual abuse allegations, bishops seemed preoccupied with managing “scandal,” rather than addressing problems. The report lists a series of actions it calls a “playbook for concealing truth,” among them the use of euphemisms like “boundary violation” in place of words like “rape,” the unwillingness to conduct investigations professionally, and the unwillingness to inform parishioners when a priest has been accused of sexual abuse.

    In short, the report depicted a culture in which appearances are more important than reality. That culture seems at the root of the anger Catholics have expressed in recent weeks, over the McCarrick scandal, and over the grand jury’s investigation.

    In commentaries, comments to CNA, and on social media, many Catholics have characterized episcopal responses to recent revelations and allegations as bureaucratic, robotic, and self-serving.

    The hierarchy’s response to the grand jury report, and to the McCarrick scandal which preceded it, has also been criticized as “corporate,” more concerned with spin, damage control, and personal reputations than with the victims of sexual abuse, or with the Catholics who feel betrayed by bishops who promised, in 2002, “never again.”

    Where, many Catholics have asked, is a bishop willing to take responsibility for what has happened, and willing to make amends?

    Where, many Catholics have asked, is a bishop willing to change the culture of the Church? Where, they have asked, is honesty?

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    Concretely, Catholics seem to be calling for three things.

    The first is genuine expression of authentic contrition, sorrow, and regret. This is what many Catholics say has most been lacking in recent months.

    Continues here https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...-sexual-abuse-94438?__twitter_impression=true
     
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  10. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    This is what bothers me about both the scandal we are facing now and the one which took place in 2002;

    Is there one Bishop or Prelate of the Church who made a public act of penance for the victims of these horrors or on the part of these men?
    Where is the outcry from the Faithful?
     
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  11. gracia

    gracia Archangels

    What does Satan not want us looking at? Think.
     
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  12. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    Any or all of the following:

    This: https://thefederalist.com/2018/01/09/georgetown-university-offer-jesuit-approved-lgbtq-housing/?

    This:
    Edward Pentin‏ @EdwardPentin Aug 4
    Latest word from Honduras: All homosexual seminarians have been sent away except those in Tegucigalpa archdiocese who joke they have a very strong and powerful “patron saint”: ++Maradiaga. The cardinal has “again used his weight to break rules and agreements with other bishops.”​

    This: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/s...iven-to-cardinal-mccarrick-by-cardinal-cupich

    This: https://www.nationalreview.com/2018...abuse-allegations-against-cardinal-mccarrick/

    Jesuit Fr. James Martin will speak at the World Meeting of Families on "Showing Welcome and Respect in our Parishes for ‘LGBT’ People and their Families".

    Cardinal Maradiaga will speak on The Revolution of Tenderness.

    Cardinal Cupich will be the Workshop Moderator on "The Dignity and Beauty of Sexual Love: Finding New Language for Ancient Truths".

    Cardinal Tobin will be the Major Panel Moderator on the Reality of Love in Family Life

    Cardinal Wuerl will be the keynote speaker on "The Welfare of the Family is Decisive for the Future of the World"

    Cardinal O'Malley was due to be the Panel Moderator on Safeguarding Children and Vulnerable adults until he discovered there are some vulnerable adults in his own back yard who don't feel safeguarded.

    Cardinal Farrell, as Prefect of the Dicastry on Laity and the Family will be the Vatican's man overseeing it all. Perhaps he will fill in for Cardinal O'Malley.

    Thank God Jesus in the barque, otherwise jumping overboard would be the least worst option.
     
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  13. padraig

    padraig Powers

     
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  14. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Padraig, Thank you for posting this. I noticed that the full episode is available now which is almost entirely dedicated to the crisis regarding the "Clergy Sex Abuse & the US Bishops".



    PS - At @ the 14 minute mark Cardinal Burke mentions Our Lady of Fatima's prophecy of apostasy from the Faith.
    In addition, I believe that many of the faithful have cried out for justice and are continuing to cry out for justice. I also believe as many others here have stated that the clergy come from the us, the members of the Church and from our societies in general much of which is currently depraved.
     
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  15. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I have been watching it and am going to watch it a few times more.

    I was touched and very surprised how honest and open the commentators , especially Cardinal Burke, were. I have got that used to double talk and 'cover your ass', that openess and honesty amazes me.

    Wonderful. God bless EWTN.
     
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  16. padraig

    padraig Powers

    If Cardinal Wuerl is not gone by the end of week, things look like effective change going bottom up. From what I can see two or three other Cardinals face the chop as well. Here's hoping anyway.:):)

    But EWTN always cheer me up; simple honesty and decency always cheers me up:):):)

    Wonderful people, God Bless them all.

    I am so glad to see people getting angry; folks need to get angry here, they really, really do.
     
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  17. Jarg

    Jarg Archangels

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  18. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Cardinal Wuerl drew my attention when he was asked by a reporter if he was going to reign by saying that these things happened 'decades and decades ago'. I just wondered to myself, 'Why does that matter?' (we don't have Statute of Limitation over here).

    There will be no Statute of Limitation at the Judgement Seat of God. I hope they use Rico too. I hope they all go to jail. Every single one of them for a very , very long time.

     
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  19. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    I didn't open the link because CNN are on my blacklist. I understand from other sources that the US has different rules for State institutions than for private institutions. Will they be lifting the statute of limitations for crimes of abuse in public schools, children's homes, hospitals, etc.? Is there an upper limit of compensation which can be awarded to victims of abuse in those public institutions and, if so, will that be removed? Have they ever done a Grand Jury investigation into abuse and the handling of abuses cases and abusers in public schools covering a period of 70 years?
     
  20. padraig

    padraig Powers

    It just suddenly occured to me that this is all happening right bfore the World Meeting of Families in Ireland.

    This can't be an accident; it is a billion to one shot. Heaven is acting to stop what is being planned here. God is sinking the big ship. Pope Francis's main backers in the Church/USA are being sunk.

    This is the Hand of God.
     
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