Brian I agree with you on many issues and I thank you for alerting us to many horrors in the Church today. I believe St John Paul II was a prudent and sincere man, priest and Pope. And additionally, I believe he would have felt horror at the evil that had infested Christ’s Church. It would have been this very same horror that he must have had to wrestle with, when confronted with the allegations in question. I expect he took the allegations seriously and I believe he would have'd listened to the victims while also questioning the alleged perpetrators and their associates. Would these perverted perpetrators or their associates have spoken the truth? No! In fact we are now privy to enormous amounts of information that were not available to him or any other good person in the Church at that time. We are now aware of the legions of accomplices in hierarchal and influential positions in the church who had/have ways and means of secret, devious deceptions matched only by satan himself. The fact that St John Paul II had limited means to obtain the truth with such deception surrounding him would be one reason he remained cautious in his actions. Discretion is the better part of valour. Being prudent and refraining from making a possible mistake is preferable to behaving recklessly and causing even more havoc. But like you I believe we must depart from discretion when it interferes with duty. However, maybe our Holy Father St John Paul II did his duty with the power at his disposal at that time?
I know many or most Catholics have a great love and respect for Pope John Paul II. However, after I was baptised and starting learning more about our faith, I was very disturbed by the many errors that he propagated. Many a time I wondered why people could not see the errors. I never could understand why ecumenism was allowed and praised. Or why the pope kissed the Quran. Invited pagans to Assisi. Said Muslims and Christians pray to the same God. etc, etc.... Have you ever thought about these? How do you answer these questions? Do read the following article. You may be surprised to see some similarity in the thinking and errors of Pope JPII and PF. When a Pope Errs https://remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/archive-pope errs.htm
Hi Sg I have searched for what our dear St John Paul II said and did in regards to your question. Below are small fragments of just 2 of his speeches, I will let Our Saint speak for himself. God Bless. APOSTOLIC VISIT TO CANADA ADDRESS OF POPE JOHN PAUL II TO THE MEMBERS OF DIFFERENT CHURCHES AND CHRISTIAN COMMUNIONS Anglican Church of Saint Paul (Toronto) Friday, 14 September 1984 Dear Friends in Christ, 1. I am deeply pleased to join in the prayer of praise and petition with all of you who represent the different Churches and Christian Communions throughout Canada. With deep respect and love I greet you all in the words of the Apostle Paul: "Grace to you and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ" (2 Thess. 1, 2). In the Gospel according to Saint Matthew we are told that Jesus "went up on the mountain, and when he sat down his disciples came to him. And he opened his mouth and taught them" (Matth. 5, 1-2). We, too, are disciples of Jesus, and together we go to him. We go to listen to his word so that he may teach us as he once taught the crowd that gathered round him on the mountain. We wish to be instructed and inspired by his message of salvation. We also wish to pray together for the gift of unity among all Christians and to unite our hearts in praise of God: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. 2. It is very good to be with you. I want you to know how deeply grateful I am for the Ecumenical Pastoral Letter which was addressed to Christian congregations and parishes throughout Canada prior to my pastoral visit. It was heart-warming to be assured of the prayerful support and fraternal interest of so many Christian brothers and sisters. I deeply appreciate the warm welcome which you have extended to me, and I am very pleased that you have seized this opportunity to affirm the necessity of the ecumenical movement,........ We cannot turn back on this difficult but vital task, for it is essentially linked with our mission of proclaiming to all humanity the message of salvation. The restoration of the complete unity of Christians, for which we so greatly yearn and pray, is of crucial importance for the evangelization of the world. Millions of our contemporaries still do not know Christ, and millions more who have heard of Christ are hindered from accepting the Christian faith because of our tragic division. Indeed, the reason Jesus prayed that we might be one was precisely "so that the world might believe" (Io. 17, 21). The proclamation of the Good News of our Lord Jesus Christ is greatly obstructed by doctrinal division among the followers of the Saviour. On the other hand, the work of evangelization bears fruit when Christians of different communions, though not yet fully one, collaborate as brothers and sisters in Christ, to the degree possible and with respect for their particular traditions. Let us, then, strive to be counted among these "blessed ones" of the beatitudes, "hungering and thirsting for righteousness" , praying for unity with one another and with all who believe in Christ, yearning in hope for the day when "there will be only one flock and one shepherd" (Io. 10, 16). ADDRESS OF HIS HOLINESS JOHN PAUL II TO YOUNG MUSLIMS Morocco Monday, 19 August 1985 Dear Young People, 1. I give thanks and glory to God who has granted that I should meet with you today. His Majesty the King did me the honour of visiting me in Rome some years ago, and he had the courtesy to invite me to visit your country and meet you. I joyfully accepted the invitation from the Sovereign of this country to speak with you in this Year of Youth. I often meet young people, usually Catholics. It is the first time that I find myself with young Muslims. Christians and Muslims, we have many things in common, as believers and as human beings. We live in the same world, marked by many signs of hope, but also by multiple signs of anguish. For us, Abraham is a very model of faith in God, of submission to his will and of confidence in his goodness. We believe in the same God, the one God, the living God, the God who created the world and brings his creatures to their perfection. But still Man is a spiritual being. We, believers, know that we do not live in a closed world. We believe in God. We are worshippers of God. We are seekers of God. The Catholic Church regards with respect and recognizes the quality of your religious progress, the richness of your spiritual tradition. We Christians, also, are proud of our own religious tradition. I believe that we, Christians and Muslims, must recognize with joy the religious values that we have in common, and give thanks to God for them. Both of us believe in one God the only God, who is all Justice and all Mercy; we believe in the importance of prayer, of fasting, of almsgiving, of repentance and of pardon; we believe that God will be a merciful judge to us at the end of time, and we hope that after the resurrection he will be satisfied with us and we know that we will be satisfied with him. Loyalty demands also that we should recognize and respect our differences. Obviously the most fundamental is the view that we hold on the person and work of Jesus of Nazareth. You know that, for the Christians, this Jesus causes them to enter into an intimate knowledge of the mystery of God and into a filial communion by his gifts, so that they recognize him and proclaim him Lord and Saviour. Those are important differences, which we can accept with humility and respect, in mutual tolerance; there is a mystery there on which, I am certain, God will one day enlighten us. Christians and Muslims, in general we have badly understood each other, and sometimes, in the past, we have opposed and even exhausted each other in polemics and in wars. I believe that, today, God invites us to change our old practices. We must respect each other, and also we must stimulate each other in good works on the path of God. With me, you know what is the reward of spiritual values. Ideologies and slogans cannot satisfy you nor can they solve the problems of your life. Only the spiritual and moral values can do it, and they have God as their fundament. Dear young people, I wish that you may be able to help in thus building a world where God may have first place in order to aid and to save mankind. On this path, you are assured of the esteem and the collaboration of your Catholic brothers and sisters whom I represent among you this evening. I would like to thank God who permitted this meeting. We are all in his sight. Today He is the first witness of our meeting. It is he who puts in our hearts the feelings of mercy and understanding, of pardon and of reconciliation, of service and of collaboration. Must not the believers that we are reproduce in their life and in their city the Most Beautiful Names which our religious traditions recognize for him? May we then be able to be available for him, and to be submissive to his will, to the calls that he makes to us! In this way our lives will find a new dynamism. I should like to finish by invoking God personally in your presence: O God, you are our creator. You are limitlessly good and merciful. To You is due the praise of every creature. O God, You have given to us an interior law by which we should live. To do Your will is to perform our task. To follow Your ways is to find peace of soul. To You we offer our obedience. Guide us in all the steps that we undertake on earth. Free us from evil inclinations which turn our heart from Your will. Do not permit that in invoking Your Name we should ever justify the human disorders. O God, you are the One Alone to whom we make our adoration. Do not permit that we should estrange ourselves from You. O God, judge of all mankind, help us to belong to Your elect on the last day. O God, author of justice and peace, grant us true joy and authentic love, as also a lasting fraternity among all peoples. Fill us with Your gifts for ever. Amen!
It's pretty clear that the men surrounding the Popes for quite some time now have an agenda which has nothing to do with the traditional teachings of the Church. So, it makes sense that Pope John Paul II had a war on his hands from day one when it came to running the Church. Wars are never one act shows. There are battles and lots of clandestine events which take place which can shift the advantage immediately or over time. Not all battles will be won. Plain and simple. In fact, it may seem as if the war has been lost at times. Especially when we have a new Pope at the helm. They obviously can make questionable decisions and actions from time to time especially if they are surrounded by people with their own interests at heart. They also can do things which can shift the balance even when it can take decades for the fruits of their plans to blossom. In hindsight, Pope John Paull II set the stage IMO when he allowed a small group of priests of the SSPX to break away and form the FSSP. This was a pretty big deal at the time because this is an order devoted exclusively to the Tridentine Mass which is in full communion with Rome and in good standing with its local Bishops. But, this in the beginning was only 11 men. Today, it is almost 300. He in doing this allowed the Latin Mass but in a limited fashion. Reasoning in a common sense approach that it was sacred in the past so it is sacred now. Along comes Pope Benedict XVI who declares that the liturgy of the Latin Rite was never abrogated and makes it once again available to all alongside the new liturgy. Now IMO those two things were major victories which will increasingly manifest their fruits over time. In fact, it must be a major abscess in the jaws of those who would love to see the Latin Rite retired to the dustbins of history. The fruits of this are consistently making themselves known and the FSSP is growing steadily in vocations, parishes, and laity. That means more properly catechized Catholics each and every year who are spreading the Faith.
Josephite, it appears to me that you did not read the article I gave a link to. Please take a look. The numerous problematic statements and actions of Pope JPII are detailed there.
The rosary Coast to Coast began yesterday with the Assumption,... will it end with the Triumph of her Immaculate Heart
Didn’t Bishop Sheen write an essay about the Antichrist where he says that the Antichrist will have a secret, that he doesn’t believe in God. I am not suggesting that Pope Francis is the Antichrist, but IF it is true that he doesn’t believe in God..........why is he Pope?
I did. But it doesn't make what Pope JPII said and did any more acceptable, imho. The article I linked to details it very well. Please do read it. https://remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/archive-pope errs.htm
There is a video of Bishop Sheen giving this sermon, which you can watch at: https://thewildvoice.org/antichrist-fulton-sheen/ "Fulton Sheen delivers a prophetic sermon on the Antichrist, the signs of our times, the apocalypse, a coming chastisement, and gives three practical suggestions for Christians of this age. The audio has been cleaned and remastered from the original radio program "Light Your Lamps" entitled "Signs of Our Times" broadcast on January 26, 1947. FULL TRANSCRIPT VEN. FULTON J. SHEEN: "God Love You! I want these to be my first words of greeting to you as they will be the concluding words on each broadcast. "God Love You" means God is love; God loves you; and you ought to love God in return. Why is it that so few realize the seriousness of our present crisis? Partly because men do not want to believe their own times are wicked, partly because it involves too much self-accusation and principally because they have no standards outside of themselves to measure their times. Only those who live by faith really know what is happening in the world. Well may Our Savior say to us what He said to the Saducees and Pharisees in His time: “When it is evening,you say: It will be fair weather, for the sky is red. And in the morning: Today there will be a storm, for the sky is red and lowering. You know then how to discern the face of the sky: and can you not know the signs of the times?”. Do we know the signs of our times? They point to two inescapable truths, the first of which is that we have come to the end of the post – Renaissance Chapter of history which made man the measure of all things. The three basic dogmas of the modern world are dissolving before our very eyes. First, we are witnessing the liquidation of the economic man, or the assumption that man who is a highly developed animal has no other function in life than to produce and acquire wealth, and then like the cattle in the pastures, be filled with years and die. Secondly, we are witnessing the liquidation of the idea of the natural goodness of man who has no need of a God to give Him rights, or a Redeemer to salvage him from guilt, because progress is automatic thanks to science, education, and evolution, which will one day make man a kind of a god. We are witnessing also the liquidation of rationalism, or the idea that the purpose of human reason is not to discover the meaning and goal of life, namely the salvation of a soul, but to devise new technical advances to make on this earth a city of man to displace the city of God. It may very well be that Historical Liberalism is only a transitional era in history between a civilization which once was Christian and one which will be definitely anti-Christian. The second great truth to which the signs of the times portend is that we are definitely at the end of a non-religious era of civilization, by that I mean one which regarded religion as an addendum to life, a pious extra, a morale-builder for the individual but of no social relevance, and God is a silent partner whose name was used by the firm to give respectability but who had nothing to say about how the business should be run. In the new era into which we are entering is what might be called the religious phase of human history. Do not misunderstand me; by religious we do not mean that men will turn to God, but rather that the indifference to the absolute which characterized the liberal phase of civilization will be succeeded by a passion for an absolute. From now on the struggle will be not for the colonies and national rights, but for the souls of men. The battle lines are being clearly drawn and the basic issues are no longer in doubt. From now on men will divide themselves into two religions understood again as surrender to an absolute. The conflict of the future is between an absolute who is the God-Man and an absolute which is the man-god; between the God Who became man and the man who makes himself god; between brothers in Christ and comrades in anti-Christ. But, the anti-Christ will not be so called, otherwise he would have no followers. He will wear no red tights, nor vomit sulphur, nor carry a spear nor wave an arrowed tail as the Mephistopheles in Faust. Nowhere in Sacred Scripture do we find warrant for the popular myth of the devil as a buffoon who is dressed like the first “red.” Rather, is he described as a fallen angel, as “the Prince of this world” whose business it is to tell us that there is no other world. His logic is simple: if there is no heaven there is no hell; if there is no hell, there is no sin; if there is no sin, there is no judge, and if there is no judgement then evil is good and good is evil. But above all these descriptions, Our Lord tells us that he will be so much like Himself, that he would deceive even the elect – and certainly no devil we have ever seen in picture books could deceive the elect. How will he come in this new age to win followers to his religion? He will come disguised as the Great Humanitarian; he will talk peace, prosperity and plenty not as means to lead us to God, but as ends in themselves. He will write books on the new idea of God to suit the way people live; induce faith in astrology so as to make not the will but the stars responsible for our sins; he will explain guilt away psychologically as repressed sex, make men shrink in shame if their fellowmen say they are not broadminded and liberal; he will identify tolerance with indifference to right and wrong; he will foster more divorces under the disguise that another partner is “vital”; he will increase love for love and decrease love for person; he will invoke religion to destroy religion; he will even speak of Christ and say that he was the greatest man who ever lived; his mission he will say will be to liberate men from the servitude of superstition and Fascism: which he will never define. But, in the midst of all his seeming love for humanity and his glib talk of freedom and equality, he will have one great secret which he will tell to no one; he will not believe in God. Because his religion will be brotherhood without the fatherhood of God, he will deceive even the elect. He will set up a counter Church which will be the ape of the Church because, he the devil, is the ape of God. It will be the mystical body of the anti-Christ that will in all externals resemble the church as the mystical body of Christ. In desperate need for God, he will induce modern man in his loneliness and frustration to hunger more and more for membership in his community that will give man enlargement of purpose without any need of personal amendment and without the admission of personal guilt. These are days in which the devil has been given a particularly long rope. (missing audio: For we must never forget that Our Lord said to Judas and his band: “This is your hour.” God has His day, but evil has its) hour when the shepherd shall be struck and the sheep dispersed. Has the Church made the preparations for just such a dark night in the decree of the Holy Father outlining the conditions on which a Papal Election may now be held outside of the city of Rome? Men who know history have seen these dark days coming. As far back as 1842, 105 years ago, Heine the German poet wrote: "Communism, though little discussed now and loitering in hidden garrets on miserable straw pallets, is the dark hero destined for a great, if temporary, role in the modern tragedy…Wild, gloomy times are roaring toward us, and the prophet wishing to write a new apocalypse would have to invent entirely new beasts – beasts so terrible that St. John’s older animals would be like gentle doves and cupids in comparison. The gods are veiling their faces in pity on the children of men, their long-time charges. The future smells of Russian leather, blood, godlessness, and many whippings. And, I should advise our grandchildren to be born with very thick skins on their backs.” That in 1842. Well indeed may we be warned. For the first time in history our age has witnessed the persecution of the Old Testament by the Nazis and the persecution of the New Testament by the Communists. Anyone who has anything to do with God is hated today, whether his vocation was to announce His Divine Son, Jesus Christ, as did the Jew, or to follow Him as the Christian. Because the signs of our times point to a struggle between absolutes we may expect the future to be a time of trial for two reasons: Firstly, to stop disintegration. Godlessness would go on and on and on if there were no catastrophes. What death is to an individual, that catastrophe is to an evil civilization: the interruption life and for the civilization the interruption of its Godlessness. Why did God station an angel with a flaming sword at the Garden of Paradise after the Fall, if it was not to prevent our first parents from entering again and eating of the Tree of Life, which, if they ate they would have immortalized their guilt. And, God will not allow unrighteousness to become eternal. He permits revolution disintegration, chaos, to come as reminders that our thinking has been wrong, our dreams have been unholy. Moral truth is vindicated by the ruin that follows when it has been repudiated. The chaos of our times is the strongest negative argument that could ever be advanced for Christianity. Catastrophe reveals the evil is self-defeating and that we cannot turn from God as we have without hurting ourselves. (cont'd)
The second reason why a crisis must come is in order to prevent a false identification of the Church and the world. Our Lord intended that those who were His followers should be different in spirit from those who were not. But, this line of demarcation has been blotted out. Instead of black and white, there is only a blur. Mediocrity and compromise characterize the lives of many Christians. They read the same novels as modern pagans, educate their children in the same godless way, listen to the same commentators who have no other standard than judging today by yesterday, and tomorrow by today, allow pagan practices to creep into family life, such as divorce and remarriage; there are not wanting, so-called Catholic labor leaders recommending Communists for Congress, or Catholic writers who accept presidencies in Communist front organizations to instill totalitarian ideas into movies. There's no longer the conflict and opposition which ought to characterize us. We are influencing the world less than the world influences us. There is no apartness. We who were sent out to establish a center of health have caught the disease, and therefore have lost the power to heal. And, since the gold is mixed with an alloy, the entirety must be thrust into the furnace that the dross may be burned away. The value of the trial will be to set us apart. Evil catastrophe must come to reject us, to despise us, to hate us, to persecute us, and then, then we shall we define our loyalties, affirm our fidelity and state on whose side we stand. Our quantity indeed will decrease, but our quality will increase. It is not for the Church that we fear, but for the world. We tremble not that God may be dethroned but that barbarism may reign. And three practical suggestions then for the times as Christians realize that a moment of crisis is not a time of despair, but of opportunity. We were born in crisis, in defeat – the Crucifixion. And, once we recognize that we are under Divine Wrath, we become eligible for Divine Mercy. The very disciplines of God create hope. The thief on the right came to God by a crucifixion. And secondly Catholics ought to stir up their Faith, hang a crucifix in their home, remind them that they have a cross to carry; gather your family together every night to recite the rosary; go to daily Mass; make the Holy Hour daily in the Presence of our Eucharistic Lord and particularly in parishes where pastors are conscious of the world's need and therefore conduct services of reparation. And, finally, Jews, Protestants, Catholics, Americans, all of us, must realize that the world is summoning us to heroic efforts at spiritualization. It is not a unity of religion we plead for that is impossible when purchased at the cost of the unity of truth, but a unity of religious people, wherein each marches separately according to the light of his conscience, but strikes together for the moral betterment of the world. The forces of evil are united; the forces of good are divided. We may not be able to meet in the same pew – would to God we did – but we can meet on our knees. You may be sure that no sordid compromises nor carrying of waters on both shoulders will see you through. Those who have the faith had better keep in the state of grace and those who have neither had better find out what they mean, for in the coming age there will be only one way to stop your trembling knees, and that will be to get down on them and pray. Pray to Michael, Michael the Prince of the morning, who conquered Lucifer who would make himself a god. When the world once cracked because of a sneer in heaven, he rose up and dragged down from the seven heavens the pride that would look down on the Most High. And, pray too, pray to Our Lady, and say to her "It was to thee who was given the power to crush the head of the serpent who lied to men that they would be like unto gods. And mayest thou who didst find Christ when He was lost for three days, find Him again for our world who has lost Him. Give to the senile incontinence of our verbiage the Word. And as thou didst form the Word in thy womb, form Him in our own hearts. Lady of the Blue of Heaven, in these dark days light our lamps. Give back to us the Light of the World that a Light may Shine even in these days of darkness.” God love you."
The whole terrible mystery surrounding Pope Benedict XVI's so-called voluntary resignation and the St Gallen mafia-led election of Pope Francis holds the answer to this question.
Excellent article Sg. I doubt very many members will take the time to read it in its entirety, as it presents the very uncomfortable TRUTH that JPII made terrible decisions regarding the heresy of ecumenism. Some people can't handle the truth and brush it under the rug and ignore and excuse it because it forces them to reevaluate their opinions on people that they have personal feelings for. JPII earned such a reputation during his pontificate that people can't handle thinking he erred (which he did greatly). Anyone can watch numerous video footage on YouTube of the horrific atrocities that took place at the Assisi events that both he and Benedict organized. Those events bring to mind the many prophesies of the saints and mystics of Satan entering the Vatican, which DID happen during those events as Satan is present in the false gods of these pagan religions who were given honor and a platform for their voice. For crying out loud, does no one care that JPII allowed a Buddha statue to be placed on top of a tabernacle for worship?? If Francis did this tomorrow can you imagine the uproar from people who are finally waking up?? Does no one care that in ordering the Vatican apartments to be stripped of crucifixes and allowing these pagans to pray to their false gods in their rooms that he was denying the primacy of Christ the Savior in his actions?? Can anyone believe that Pope St Peter would have done this or approved, when he said that he wasn't worthy to die as Christ had died and to crucify him upside down instead? But those same people like to falsely reminence that things were better back then, that JPII did no wrong, that he was the perfect pope. He wasn't, and it hurts, but I seek truth, not a bandaid for my feelings. Things have gotten way worse since 2013, absolutly, but they've been getting bad for decades.
This agenda is rapidly moving into action: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progre...orting-the-rape-and-sexual-abuse-of-children/ Supporting The Catholic Church Means Supporting The Rape And Sexual Abuse Of Children AUGUST 15, 2018 BY MICHAEL STONE 5 COMMENTS The truth hurts: Make no mistake, if you support the Catholic Church, you support the rape and sexual abuse of children.
Sigh. ....What hurts the most is that it was the people who trusted the most, our Bishops and Cardinals are the very ones who landed us in this mess and still won't take ownership of it. Nor it seems will he Vatican. There latest repsonse from them is, 'No comment'. What happened to, 'Zero tolerance'? It is lack a Great, Great Storm is breaking out. What worries me now is, if all this was true of the USA what on Earth is going on in Ireland , Europe and the rest of the world? Are the curtains going to go up over here as well? ..and if they do what millions roaches are going to scuttle out from behind them?
Well I still believe that the Catholic Church is the Bride of Christ Notwithstanding the evils in extremis Blessed Mother has told us to pray for the Church and pray for priests I’m not stopping
Yes ; it is a Great Testing. But my sense of things is this is the just the first few raindrops of a Big storm coming. it's just beginning. We ain't seen nothing yet. The media are just about to get their teeth sunk well into this thing. The media and lots of others. There will be a feeding frenzy over this. This hated the Church to even start with. Now they've really got something to sink their teeth into..and they will.
Imagine for a second being the devil. You make a plan to infiltrate the Church over a century and lead a large number of priests and bishops into doing the most abominable things under the sun . Then you make it all surface in waves so that the whole world can see and come to the clear conclusion the Church is this very depraved and corrupt institution controlled by men holding on to power, money, and executing the darkest machinations imaginable. People come together around this idea that gets reinforced with every subsequent wave of media child abuse scandals, or a movie or tv show here and there - all builds up over time. This is what we could call setting the stage, but for what purpose? what comes next? Don't need to think too hard. People will begin to say things such as those patheos.com just published, and then that the Church has to be dismantled, eradicated from society, etc. Of course, tax exemption will certainly be removed sooner or laters. Church buildings closed. And worst of all, a terrorist attack to destroy the Vatican which millions of people will think as totally justified. It is a perfect plan, a really smart plan to disfigure and eliminate the Bride of Christ from the face of the earth...except that in the end it won't succeed...
