The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. josephite

    josephite Powers

    At the parishes I attend we are so blessed to have beautiful young holy priests! I am grateful that they have been spared the fate of many young men who devoutly answered Gods call to the priesthood only to be accosted or abused in the seminary and then leave disheartened.

    I believe we are benefiting with these Holy young priests due to the prayers and sacrifices of many holy older priests, like my parish priest of many years Father O’Hallaran [May he rest in peace] Father O’Hallaran instituted a holy hour and Mass every Friday dedicated to praying for priests and those called to the priesthood. This holy hour and mass went for over 25 years.

    The cowards I referred to in my former post are not worthy of the title priest!.....in my opinion they are not priests! perhaps they could be considered judas priests.

    I am more sorrow filled for our 'true priests', than angry at the paedophiles in their midst; however a sabbatical from reading any more articles about these perverts sounds like a good idea!
     
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  2. AED

    AED Powers

    I agree with everything g you say. We too have been blessed with good young priests and by God’s grace some good old priests too. This has to be excruciating for them. I have been trying to focus all my offerings and prayers for priests—trusting Mother Mary to take care of all my intentions I am trying to focus on priests. These depraved Judas priests—well I ask for their conversion and salvation but my heart and prayer energy is all for our good priests.
     
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  3. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Bayside apparitions have been condemned since the 1970's.
     
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  4. AED

    AED Powers

    Yes. Very definitively condemned.
     
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  5. Agnes rose

    Agnes rose Archangels

    Yes Bella Dodd spoke of communist agents sent to seminary to destroy our Chutch. I do want to get her book
     
  6. Agnes rose

    Agnes rose Archangels

    Thank you
     
  7. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Could it be because the revelations put the hierarchy in a very bad light? Both in being invaded by satan and for not listening to Our Lady? Unfortunately, trust is breaking down.
     
  8. Agnes rose

    Agnes rose Archangels

    I was just thinking the same thing. Im pretty sure there were predictions that did not happen also.
     
  9. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I hope I get there some day, someday....:)

    When I came back from Medugorje one time returning from the airport I felt downcast looking out the wondow at my home city . It seemed such a spriitual dump compared to The Marian site. Then I heard Our Lady say quite clearly to me,

    "Your heart is my home. Make it more so'.

    But what a gorgeous place Lagrasse is!!

     
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  10. Adoremus

    Adoremus Powers

    I hope you make it there some day too, Padraig, you would love it. There is something very special about their liturgy that goes beyond just the beauty of the traditional Latin rite and Gregorian chant... I think it has to do with the holiness of the monks, their joy and love and extreme humility. It shines through their every movement.
     
  11. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I notice this, but what a ver ybeautiful place tol ive. I suspect though it mught be quite cold in the winter?
     
  12. Adoremus

    Adoremus Powers

    It probably would be cold, but it was extremely hot when I was there. The town/village itself is very small and medieval but the locals have little to do with the monastery. The monks said the locals are mainly of a fairly pagan mindset, lots of hippy/alternative types. Half of the abbey is owned by the state and run as a tourist attraction, but the Canons' half is a little jewel. They are hoping to buy back the whole thing eventually because their order has outgrown the capacity of their portion. They're a very young order too, very few grey heads there!

    Men can stay in the abbey with the monks but women are not allowed, they're accommodated in a house they own nearby.
     
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  13. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    It was way more than that. It was loud and scary and cult-like. If you want to know more, pm me.
     
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  14. Heidi

    Heidi Powers

    I was inspired to pray that at Mass on Sunday.
     
  15. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Guest

    https://onepeterfive.com/bad-think-corruption-worse/
    No Matter How Bad You Think the Corruption Is, It’s Worse
    Peter Kwasniewski August 15, 2018

    A long-time observer of the modern ecclesiastical scene wrote to me to share his perspective on the broader significance of the McCarrick scandal. With his permission, I here publish his thoughts, which have been slightly edited for publication.


    Most commentators do not begin to understand the true nature of the problem.

    The ring of criminal Nancy Boys is the same ring that has been sedulously working for decades to undermine the integrity of the doctrinal, moral, sacramental, liturgical Church. These men – McCarrick, McElroy, Wuerl, O’Malley, Mahony, Cupich, Tobin, Farrell, Weakland, their lovable mouthpiece James Martin, and far too many others, including ones who have passed on to their eternal fate, such as Lyons, Boland, Brom – are the same ones who have destabilized and adulterated catechesis, theology, liturgy, and most obviously the Church’s commitment to the unchanging moral law, as we saw in the Amoris Laetitia debacle and all that surrounded and succeeded it. We must connect the dots and not pretend to be shocked when we see, for example, attempts under way to “re-interpret” Humanae Vitae through a false teaching on conscience, or to do away with clerical celibacy, or to introduce female deacons.

    To treat the sins of this ring of conspirators as nothing more than a recrudescence of the sex scandals of the past would be to lose sight of their real enormity. These are not just men of bad moral character; they are apostates, and they are trying to remake the Church in the image of their own apostasy. The Church has been smashed up in front of our eyes in slow motion for decades and few can even begin to admit that we are now faced with a Church in actual smithereens. The Nancy Boys have conducted their campaign of demolition with a kind of imperial sway. It is not this or that aspect of the Church that is corrupt; the rot is now everywhere. It is a rot on which the McCarrick Ring still sups, like maggots feasting on a corpse. For this reason, to hear well meaning people say Bergoglio must impanel some investigative body to set things right is Alice in Wonderland lunacy. It’s like putting Himmler in charge of Nuremberg.

    We do not need bishops engaging in public penance (although it’s a good idea for their souls and long overdue); we do not need episcopal investigations; we do not need new procedures and new policies. These are all cries for exculpation. Bishops beating their breasts and then going back to doing nothing about the manifest apostasy at the very heart of the Church will not solve matters. We need the apostates identified, denounced, and removed. We need a reaffirmation of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Faith. To clean up this mess, we have to clean up more than the scandal of homosexuality, with all of its attendant horrors. We have to denounce and reject the apostasy that powerful and influential homosexuals and their friends have insinuated into the Church over decades.
     
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  16. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Guest

    Take one example that can stand for many others: Rembert Weakland. The man who paid half a million dollars to a former male partner in litigation, who said sexual abuse reporters were “squealing,” who shredded reports about such abuse and claimed in his autobiography that he did not know that abuse of children is a crime – this was the same man who worked against traditional sacred music (chant and polyphony), calling for modern styles and liturgical dancing; who, according to a source living in Rome at the time, induced a hesitating Paul VI to push forward the Novus Ordo Missae; who criticized the CDF’s document Dominus Jesus that reaffirmed Catholic dogma on the necessity of faith in Christ and membership in the Church for salvation; and who utterly devastated the historic cathedral of St. John the Evangelist in Milwaukee with a wreckovation that can be described only as satanic.

    It is a package deal. This, above all, is what people need to see. The moral depravity, the doctrinal heresy, the liturgical devastation – all of it goes together. If you have the courage to follow each thread, you will find that any attack on one part of the Church, one aspect of her life, one component of her tradition, already is or will soon be bound up with an attack on the other parts, too. The real “seamless garment” is Catholicism taken in its totality. Either you have the whole or you can’t have any.

    Living the devout life – the life of grace enjoined by Christ – is not a mere “option” for the Catholic faithful, even less for Catholic clergy. Living the devout life is a solemn obligation before Almighty God, before the Church, and before one’s own conscience. Those who reject or seek to travesty that life will necessarily fall into apostasy. All of us will, not just the homosexuals.

    The difference with the clerical sodomites is that they become professional apostates. It is not enough for them not to believe in the sacraments; they must make others not believe in them as well. They will not stop twisting and mutilating the Church until she blesses their sin, along with many other sins. To achieve their goals, they must wreak havoc on every last aspect of the Church. This is what the faithful must stop – forget about the contemptible bureaucracy of the USCCB with its well heeled lawyers and slick marketeers. We begin to stop the havoc by calling its source by its real name. McCarrick was not just a predatory sodomite, but an apostate, and all of his “brother bishops” who knew about the double life and still got their pictures taken with him, laughing away at the latest wool pulled over the people’s eyes – you know, the ones who are putting out videos about how unfortunate this is, what a mess, and, you know, it isn’t as bad as people are making it out to be – these are all apostates, too. They’re company men with company cars, driving in a long line to their own burials at the ecumenical cemetery.

    One would think the collaborationist bishops would think twice before leaving their bunkers. Yet, as recent tweets, videos, and articles have demonstrated, they are oddly reckless – proof that they underestimate the extent to which their “narratives” (such as they are) no longer persuade or even matter. The tide is turning against the privileged clerical elite and their lavish lavender lifestyles.

    One has to marvel at the farcical tenacity of so much denial on so many sides, and the ridiculous lengths to which people will go in the attempt to explain away obvious problems. When did Catholics become so delusive, so resistant to reality, so willing to do anything rather than look at the wreckage staring them in the face? Why do so many of us have a problem with calling a spade a spade? The only solution is when heads roll, many heads, rolling freely. Let the filth be mucked out, and let fresh air and sunlight in.

    The Catholic Church is being rocked to its foundations by a scandal of Modernist apostasy of staggering proportions. We are in “2+2 = 5” territory, and the “conservative” apologists have no real response to that, which is why they insist on treating the McCarrick business as a sex scandal. They are more concerned about a mendacious, ramshackle, unaccountable episcopate than they are about the deposit of the faith under daily assault, as it has been ever since the progressive European bishops maneuvered into control of the Second Vatican Council, strewing ambiguities and half-truths in its documents and dominating its implementation, particularly in the liturgical sphere – all of which has led us straight into the cesspool of iniquity and heresy in which we are stewing.

    We have a colossal problem on our hands, yes, but it is not insurmountable. The above analysis may seem hopeless, but I am not one of those who believe that ecclesial doom is just around the corner. The papacy can be set right with a worthy pope. The episcopacy can be strengthened if that worthy pope takes action to depose and defrock bishops across the globe and replace them with men worthy of their offices. The seminaries can be reformed. The Mass of Ages can be restored. Catholic education can be revived. Catechesis can be regenerated (but not, needless to say, with the latest version of the Catechism).

    You may well say: All this, any of this, would be a miracle, heaps of miracles! And I say: Yes, that’s right. Miracles do happen, and we need them now more than ever. With man, it is impossible; with God, nothing is impossible – not even the reform of the papacy, the episcopacy, and the college of cardinals.

    Reform begins where it always does in the history of the Church through the ages: with faithful laity, faithful priests and deacons, faithful religious brothers and sisters, faithful bishops – men and women absolutely committed to Our Lord and to the Catholic Faith He has given us, in all of its doctrinal integrity, moral strength, and liturgical fullness.

    I want to be part of the solution, not part of the problem – and so should you, and every layman, religious, and cleric whom God in His Providence has put into the world at exactly this time, so that we can be part of the solution. No one needs to strut off into permanent opposition or lock down in motionless despondency. It is time to pray for divine intervention like never before, and work with all our strength and skill to make ready the coming of the Lord.
     
  17. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I don't want to depress people even further but there is some evidence that Satanism may have been involved here.

    Don't follow this link if you fear being further shocked; it is pretty heavy stuff.

    http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/abbott/180811
     
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  18. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I think one of the things I am learning is how truly innocent I was about all this . My mother told me one time she did not even know what a homosexual was untill she was in her mid twenties. Looking back on it I was not too far behind her. Certianly as far as child omolestation was concerned it was like something from another planet. So knowing little or nothing about it we would never have seen it even if it was right under our noses. These people of course knew all this and used it and us.

    It has been a very steep, cold, hard learning curve.
     
  19. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Didn’t you once post that you knew a satanic ritual was taking place when you were in Rome, Padraig? I believe you
    I believe it all
     
  20. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    It actually makes a lot of sense when one considers what has been happening systematically in the Church for the last 6 decades.
     
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