The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    This should probably be in the Q thread...
    The ones who scream the loudest have the most to hide. Thinking about this in relationship to President Trump its a giant red flag we can see first hand. Remember DeNiro's standing ovation at the Tony awards for his little performance? So many people applauding his courage. I wonder why.



    https://yournewswire.com/robert-de-niro-prostitution-ring-children/

    I think this is why we are now seeing the gradual social pressure exerted to accept pederasty and pedophiles as people who are simply differently ordered amongst us.
    They see the writing on the wall and are attempting to get ahead of the coming wave.
    It's too late.

    This makes me wonder about those prelates in the Church who scream the loudest against Trump as well...
     
  2. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Demonic oppression and being given over to ones passions. This is a spiritual war.

    So it begs one to ponder why is it that the Church officially began requiring mental health evaluations before a persons case is even brought before an exorcist for evaluation?
    Mental health IME will straight away simply place one on an anti depressant or psychotropic family of drugs unless the Doctor involved just happens to be Catholic. Masking the symptoms of the problem and instead of working toward solving the issue exacerbating it instead with a host of others. Many times leading to violent ends.

    Consider all the Saints who have physically suffered anguishes and attacks through the night. Would they have been sent to a mental health professional and prescribed Paxil and Zoloft?
     
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  3. picadillo

    picadillo Guest

    Random thoughts. Mccarrick knows where all the bodies are buried. Think about that.

    PF`s agenda is, plain and simple, satanic. Moral equivalency between global warming and abortion? Global warming and pedophile clergy? The seamless garment philosophy is satanic.
     
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  4. HeavenlyHosts

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    Our Lady at Fatima asked the children to pray very much for priests, as I recall.
    It is appalling, the lack of a genuine Catholic Faith in many clerics.
    But it is the same in the world as has been posted so well above. This brings us to the point where the Church and the world are becoming “one.” Rapidly
     
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  5. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Note the sheer crudity of DeNiro. Pure vulgarity and not an earthly of an argument. Your link to the prostitution ring is a reminder that DeNiro first came to prominence in Taxi Driver, a film that featured a 12-year-old prostitute played by Jodi Foster. The filth has been rising for a long time. Most people probably thought that Taxi Driver was a film intended to condemn child prostitution. It now seems more likely an attempt to normalise and even glamourise it.
     
  6. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    I'm sure there are many, many ordinary people suffering terribly from the want of spritual counsel and perhaps even exorcism, who languish miserably for great parts of their lifetimes, doped to the eyeballs with psychiatric drugs; isolated and numbed from their loved ones and personal surroundings.
     
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  7. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    I suspect that many people become conditioned to this type of reasoning and in turn anyone who does not accept and embrace this thinking or in fact considers it to be vile and abhorrent they in turn find backwards and ridicule and attack.

    It is a slippery slope to be given over to ones passions.

    A while back Milo Yannopolis made a series of comments describing gay men specifically and one of them was that gay men consistently are shown to have higher IQ's. I pondered this for a while because so many people accept it as fact.
    If we measure intelligence in a way in such that disordered people are considered at the height of the bell curve in our societies intelligence and creativity might we conclude that our measuring stick may just be a bit canted or skewed?

    We have to question everything.

    I also find it interesting that people who claim to be gay tend predominately in some form toward the arts. The creative process of art is something which has always been highly esteemed and considered of the highest value.
    This is why it has been constantly viciously attacked and perverted.
     
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  8. HeavenlyHosts

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    I’ve been singing in large choral groups since I was in the 5th grade.
    In the 1960s I became aware of the large number of effeminate men who are singers.
    We only spoke privately then about homosexuality.
    Now they are societally protected and they are more numerous than ever.
     
  9. Mary's child

    Mary's child Powers

    All that has transpired in the past couple of years is a whirlwind. 30 years ago, I would not have believed that our Lady's words would be for my lifetime.

    Most heavenly Mother, our mother given to us by your son please pray for us that we can hold our ground and keep the stamina for praying unceasingly.
     
  10. ComeSoon!

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    I'm not suggesting I disagree with you or that I am not very troubled by various statements or behaviors by PF as well as certain hierarchy. I was simply offering another humble perspective. Truly, while we know we're not alone in certain views, when and where do us laity speak up that it will be appropriately useful and productive as lead by the Holy Spirit?
    That is largely why she is my "go-to" during my family's trial walking with my Mom. Our Blessed Mother and Christ know deeply...
     
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  11. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    “Unless those days be shortened, no flesh would be saved”
    You said it, a whirlwind
     
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  12. AED

    AED Powers

    You nailed it Don.
     
  13. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    Cardinal Cupich is Cancellor of Catholic Extension, and he presented the award to McCarrick shortly after being made a Cardinal. Networking has its rewards and awards;).
     
  14. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    I fear that some Bishops who knew about McCarrick while keeping their distance and remaining silent will be the ones removed, leaving friends and proteges of McCarrick in place to continue promoting his perverted lifestyle in the priesthood and making it acceptable under the heading of "pastoral practice" and "accompaniment". Really, that has already begun with the blessing of Pope Francis. Today is the feast day of St. Ignatius Loyola. Thank God he's in Heaven, otherwise he would be turning in his grave.

    McCarrick was a smooth operator and very good at "reaching out" in the spirit of ecumenism. Here's a tribute to him from the Orthodox Church. Note all the accolades. It would have taken an exceptionally strong Bishop to speak out against him, especially with no victims willing to go on record. Really, the Church needs to decide which is more important: the Deposit of Faith or unity where no real unity exists. The video was uploaded to YouTube in 2011. A year later, someone posted these comments beneath the video:

    "Pease note that Cardinal McCarrick "Uncle Teddy" has been cited in MANY accounts of homosexuality and manipulation of Seminarians while the Bishop in Newark and in Metuchen. Many cases were paid off and settled out of courts and some monies were used to retrain priests after they left the priesthood due to his inability to control his tendencies. I am a devoted Catholic. I am not a Catholic hater. Jesus Christ overturned the money changers tables at the temples when he saw issues. "

    "We cannot turn a blind eye to the lying and heating that occurs in our church today. Cardinal McCarrick might be the devil incarnate, and he will be judged when he meets his maker. He has ordained over 400 priests, but he has ruined many lives. Google it and see for yourself. H is a sick individual."
    So, six years ago, somebody on YouTube knew about McCarrick and knew about the settlements, yet fellow Bishops, especially those closest to him, claim they knew nothing. The whole thing stinks.

     
  15. AED

    AED Powers

    :eek::confused::cry::eek::eek::eek:
     
  16. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Guest

    Dear Troubled Catholics – a letter from Ralph Martin about the Church’s current crisis

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinio...er-from-ralph-martin-about-the-churchs-curren

    Editor’s note: The following article written by famed Catholic author and speaker Ralph Martin eloquently and powerfully expresses the disturbed shock of many at the grave scandals rocking the Church right now. We are grateful to Renewal Ministries for their kind permission to republish the article.

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    Ralph Martin
    July 31, 2018 (Renewal Ministries) – Dear Troubled Catholics,

    I have never seen so many “ordinary Catholics”—who usually never follow or hear about Church news—as deeply troubled as I have seen them in response to the recent revelations about the retired archbishop of Washington, DC.

    Cardinal Theodore McCarrick was asked by the pope to resign from his membership in the College of Cardinals and ordered to live in seclusion until a canonical trial can be held to verify the validity of charges of sexual abuse and harassment made against him. After the first brave person came forward (whose accusations were found credible by the Archdiocese of New York Review Board), more and more followed. The climate of fear among many of our clergy—the fear of being punished or marginalized if they report sexual immorality among their fellow clergy or leaders—is starting to break. Cardinal McCarrick is now known as Archbishop McCarrick.

    What has been so disturbing to so many people is the fact that there had been numerous warnings to various church officials that he was a homosexual predator, harassing many seminarians, priests, and young boys, for many years, but nothing had ever been done about it, and he was continually promoted. Even after a delegation of priests and lay people went to Rome to warn the Vatican about the situation, he was promoted. Even after a leading Dominican priest wrote a letter to Cardinal O’Malley, nothing was done. Even after lawsuits accusing him of homosexual sexual harassment in two of his previous dioceses had been settled with financial awards, he was still promoted. And not only that, he became a key advisor to Pope Francis and offered advice on whom to appoint as bishops in the United States!

    One young Catholic mother with two boys who was open to the priesthood for them said to me that she now has grave concerns about ever having one of her sons enter the seminary, given the corruption that has been revealed.


    Another said she could no longer see anyone joining the Catholic Church, due to such bad leadership. She lamented about the difficulty this presents for evangelization.

    Another said that seven people from her very small, rural parish had left the parish, because sexual sin is never spoken of and there is almost an exclusive emphasis on political issues. She now fears that even more will leave.

    Another said that the only way this is ever going to change is if we simply stop giving to the bishops’ national collections and to our own dioceses and parishes’ collections, unless they are led by bishops who are willing to call a spade a spade and govern accordingly. To this day, there are quite a number of “gay friendly” parishes in even “good dioceses,” where those afflicted with homosexual temptation are not encouraged to live chaste lives or offered effective correction, but instead are confirmed in their sexual activity. It seems many bishops are afraid to tackle the local “homosexual lobbies” and choose to turn a blind eye.
     
  17. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Guest

    This past weekend at Mass, the priest giving the sermon was more upset than I’ve ever seen him about the unfolding scandal. The Gospel was about how the weeds and the wheat grow up together and will only finally be separated at the judgment. It was unclear what the priest was actually saying, but we are certainly not called to “enable the weeds.” And shepherds in particular have the obligation to admonish the sinner and remove from ministry those who refuse to preach the truth and who encourage others in wrong doing. Yes, we will always have sin, but as Jesus said,


    “whoever causes one of these little ones who believes in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea” (Mt 18:6).

    There have been a veritable deluge of articles that have appeared from highly respected lay Catholics and priests saying that “enough is enough,” and we need to stop the cover-ups and get to the bottom of who is implicated in promoting men like this and covering up for them. We do.

    In 2002, when the American bishops approved their “charter” that attempted to respond to the many cases of priest pedophilia that had come to light by that time, they conspicuously exempted themselves from their “zero tolerance” policy. Many priests have told me that they felt “thrown under the bus” by the bishops, who conveniently didn’t adopt policies to deal with their own tolerance of immoral behavior, cover-ups that allowed the pedophilia to go on for many years, or in some cases, their own immoral behavior. Another disturbing thing about the 2002 Charter is that—despite pleas to not ignore the fact that this is primarily a homosexual scandal, since most of the victims were adolescent boys rather than true children—the bishops decided not to tackle “the elephant in the room.” Could it be because they knew some of their brother bishops/cardinals were implicated, and they didn’t want to face the mess of cleaning it up? Now this refusal to acknowledge the “homosexual lobby,” as Pope Benedict termed it, is coming home to roost.

    But there’s not just a huge homosexual problem in the Church; unfortunately, heterosexual sin and financial malfeasance are common in many places as well. In some countries, a significant percentage of priests are living with concubines or fathering children by vulnerable women and giving scandal to the faithful, who often know about it. This is the case in Uganda, from which I have recently returned, and in many other countries as well. In these situations, the “protection” of the priests and the frequent disregard for their victims—the women and their children—cries out for justice.

    And so, once again because of the pressure of lawsuits and the press, the bishops are talking about “developing new policies” that would apply to bishops. As a colleague at Sacred Heart Seminary in Detroit, Michigan, has said: “Isn’t it clear enough from the Gospel that covering up immoral behavior is itself wicked? Why do we need new policies when the teaching of Jesus and the apostles is so clear?” Can the words of the Old Testament prophets and Jesus Himself against false shepherds be any clearer or more devastating? (See Jeremiah 23:1-6; Matthew 23, etc.)

    The Archbishop McCarrick case may prove to be the “straw that broke the camel’s back.” It may make the bureaucratic, carefully worded, evasive statements that have come from our leaders finally address sin and repentance, instead of the mere policies and processes they typically focus on. Could it be—finally—that the revelation of the long-term sexual harassment of seminarians and priests that never stopped Archbishop McCarrick’s rise in the hierarchy will be so totally repugnant that real repentance may actually start to happen? I have never prayed more for the pope and our leaders than I have in the last several years, and we all must continue to do so. More about that later.

    Unfortunately, the Archbishop McCarrick case is certainly only the “tip of the iceberg.” The cumulative effect of revelation after revelation of immorality in high places is devastating. First, a number of years ago, a cardinal from Austria was forced to resign over homosexual activity; then, more recently, a cardinal from Scotland resigned over sexual harassment of seminarians and priests; and then the archbishop of Guam underwent a canonical trial in Rome over the sexual abuse of minors; and now cardinals in Chile (one of whom is on the pope’s Council of Cardinals that oversees reform) are under heavy suspicion for covering up homosexual abuse in their country. In fact, the whole bishops’ conference of Chile, acknowledging complicity in not taking seriously reports of a bishop’s cover up of sexual abuse, recently gave their resignations to the pope, and he has so far accepted several of them. The pope himself at first stubbornly backed the appointment of this bishop and dismissed the victims’ pleas as “calumny” and “gossip.” And before we could absorb this news, there was news of an archbishop in Australia getting a prison sentence for covering up abuse on the part of a priest. And just today, as I am writing this, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court has ordered the release of a grand jury report implicating more than 300 “predator priests” in six of the eight Pennsylvania dioceses involved in the sexual abuse of minors over many years.

    Unfortunately, the rot is wide and deep and years of covering up abuse (and the concomitant reluctance to really preach the Gospel and call people to faith and repentance) and its ultimate exposure have injured the faith of millions. How shocking and tragic was it to see tens of thousands of Irish people in the streets of Dublin wildly celebrating that they could now legally kill babies!!!! Just when the Irish bishops needed to speak most strongly on fundamental moral issues, their credibility was destroyed when it was finally exposed that they had covered up abuse for decades. Satan is indeed like that wild boar Scripture talks about that rampages though the vineyard of the Lord because the hedges of protection have been destroyed (Ps 80:12-13). The corruption, ineptitude, and cowardice runs wide and deep, and its effects on the eternal salvation of millions, and the destiny of nations, is devastating.

    Most recently, Cardinal Maradiaga of Honduras has seen his auxiliary bishop resign over homosexual and financial impropriety, and forty seminarians in his diocese publish a letter asking him to please root out the homosexual network in his seminary. This cardinal is Pope Francis’ chief advisor, the head of his “Council of Nine” that works closely with the pope in bringing about reform in Rome, and is mentioned as a possible successor to Pope Francis.

    But continual reports of ongoing financial and sexual scandals suggest reform doesn’t seem to be happening. Recently, a male prostitute in Italy published the names and photos of sixty priests who frequent his services—with scarcely any comment from the shepherds. And the homosexual orgy in the apartment of a Vatican cardinal, used by his secretary, was met with a “no comment” by the Vatican press office. And then we hear also of a monsignor in the papal nuncio’s office in Washington, D.C., who suddenly leaves the country and is put on trial in the Vatican for trafficking in child pornography and is given a five year prison sentence.



    I didn’t plan to discuss this whole situation, but it came up this summer when the thirty priests in my class at the seminary wanted to discuss Pope Francis’ leadership and the McCarrick scandal. We all agreed that Pope Francis has said and done some wonderful things (I teach his Apostolic Exhortation The Joy of the Gospel in one of my classes), but he also has said and done some things that are confusing and seem to have led to a growth of confusion and disunity in the Church. How can German and Polish bishops approach the question of whether divorced and remarried couples can receive Communion without getting an annulment in opposite ways, and the Church still retain an ability to speak to the contemporary culture with one voice? It can’t. And how long can Church officials speak about the “positive values” of “irregular relationships” until the average Catholic comes to believe that we no longer believe the words of Jesus that fornicators, adulterers, and those who actively practice homosexuality will not enter the kingdom of God unless they repent? How many still believe that there is really a hell and that, unless we repent from such serious sins before we die, we will go there? Have we ever heard from leading churchmen, even in Rome, in recent years, that adultery, fornication and homosexual relations are not only “irregular,” but gravely sinful? Has the creeping “universalism” (the belief that virtually everyone will be saved) so undermined the holy fear of God and belief in His clear word, which has been transmitted faithfully all these centuries and is found intact in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, that people have become “understanding” about persisting in grave sin with no fear of God or of hell?
     
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  18. SgCatholic

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    Has false compassion and presumption on God’s mercy replaced true love, which is based on truth, and the only appropriate response to God’s mercy—faith and repentance?

    And what are we to make of the fact that so many of those advising the pope have questionable fidelity to the truth? How can we have confidence in Cardinal Maradiaga as the head of his Council of Cardinals when he is accused of financial impropriety (which he denies); he chose an active homosexual as his auxiliary bishop; and he allowed a homosexual network to grow up in his seminary, dismissing attempts to appeal to him to clean up the mess as unsubstantiated gossip? How can we have confidence in the pope’s main theological advisor, a theologian from Argentina who is most known for his book The Art of the Kiss, or the pope’s main Italian theological advisor, who is known for his subtle dissent from the Church’s teaching in the area of sexuality and who tried to insert texts in the synods on the family that pushed the document in a permissive direction? And how can we have confidence in the recently appointed head of the John Paul II Institute on Marriage and the Family—an archbishop who commissioned a mural in his former cathedral in an Italian diocese from a homosexual artist who included homo-erotic themes in the mural, including a portrait of the archbishop in an ambiguous pose?

    One godly woman just asked me last night if it was OK for her to be upset with what was happening. I sadly said yes, of course it is.

    How can we passively endure such corruption that runs so wide and deep? It is right to make our views known. It is right and necessary. But even more so, it is necessary to pray and offer sacrifices for the Church and her leaders at this time. It is necessary to pray that genuine reform, rooted in real repentance and an embrace of all the truths of the faith, would come out of this awful situation and that the Church, more deeply purified and humbled, may shine forth with the radiance of the face of Christ.

    But it is going to be a long way from here to there. Grave damage has been done to the credibility of the Church, and more will leave. Grave damage has been done to many of the flock, and reparation must be made; public repentance is called for. As Pope Benedict XVI wrote when he was a young priest, the Church will have to become smaller and more purified before it can again be a light to the world. The Church is going through a radical purification under the chastising hand of God, but already we can see a remnant of fervent renewal appearing all over the world, which is a sign indeed of hope and the renewal to come.

    And so, what can we do as we continue to pray for the pope and our leaders that God may give them the wisdom and courage to deal with the root of the rot and bring about a real renewal of holiness and evangelization in the Church?

    • We need to go about our daily lives, trying to live each day in a way pleasing to God, loving Him and loving our neighbor, including the neighbor in our own families. We need to look to ourselves, lest we fall.
    • We need to remember that even though we have this treasure in earthen vessels (or as some translations put it, “cracked pots”), the treasure is no less the treasure. Don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater! Baby Jesus is the treasure, and He is still as present as ever and still as ready to receive all who come to Him. And the Mass! Every day, He is willing to come to us in such a special way. Let’s attend daily Mass even more frequently, to offer the sacrifice of Jesus’ death and resurrection to God the Father, in the power of the Holy Spirit, for the salvation of souls and the purification of the Church.
    • We need to remember that the Catholic Church is indeed founded by Christ and, despite all problems, has within it the fullness of the means of salvation. Where else can we go? Nowhere; this is indeed our Mother and Home, and she needs our love, our prayers, and our persevering in the way of holiness more than ever.
    • We need to remember that there are many truly holy and dedicated bishops and priests, and we must pray for them and support them. They need and deserve our support.
    • We need to remember that this isn’t the first time such grave problems have beset the Church. In the fourteenth century, St. Catherine of Siena bemoaned the “stench of sin” coming from the papal court and prophesied that even the demons were disgusted by the homosexual activity he had tempted priests into and the cover up by their superiors! (See chapters 124-125 of Catherine of Siena’s The Dialogue.)
    That isn’t to say that we don’t need to take seriously and do all we can in response to the grave scandal we are facing in our time. And yet we need to remember that all this is happening under the providence of God, and He has a plan to bring good out of it. It was even prophesied strongly in Mary’s apparitions in Akita, Japan. Jesus is still Lord and will use the current grave problems to bring about good.

    And finally, I’m beginning to see why the Lord has impressed on me so strongly in the past year the urgent need to heed the appeals of Our Lady of Fatima. Indeed, as Mary said,

    “Pray, pray very much, and make sacrifices for sinners; for many souls go to hell, because there are none to sacrifice themselves and to pray for them.”

    Let’s continue to pray and offer sacrifices for the conversion of sinners and as reparation for sin, and let’s pray the rosary daily as Mary requested, for peace in the world and true renewal in the Church.
     
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  19. padraig

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  20. ComeSoon!

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    http://www.tfp.org/tfp-statement-on...-+Papal+Encyclical+condemns+Sexual+Revolution
    An exerpt from :
    TFP Statement on Pope Francis’s “Paradigm Shift”: Resist as Saint Paul Teaches

    ....Thus, the American TFP has joined in supporting a work that analyzes and discerns the limits inherent to pronouncements not covered by the “ex cathedra” formula or that simply do not directly concern the Mission that Jesus entrusted to his apostles.

    The abovementioned 1974 statement already highlighted that the assistance assured by the Holy Spirit for the Pope to speak with the privilege of infallibility has well-established limits defined by the First Vatican Council. Beyond those limits, “in certain matters or circumstances, the weakness to which all men are subject can influence and even determine [a Pope’s] performance.”

    Based on this decisive premise, the American TFP has welcomed the publication of a book by French TFP member José Antonio Ureta titled, Pope Francis’s “Paradigm Shift”: Continuity or Rupture in the Mission of the Church? An Assessment of His Pontificate’s First Five Years.

    Based on abundant documentation, the work confirms with words of the Pontiff himself how concepts such as “paradigm shift” and “cultural revolution” are used to define the profound innovations now being introduced. In the wake of such expressions, some theologians and pastors have come to sustain the need to radically rethink the Church in Her structure, doctrine, pastoral praxis, and way of relating to the contemporary world.

    This new shift has troubled the consciences of a growing number of Catholics who see the “paradigm shift” as a rupture with the Church’s unchanged teachings and discipline. This concern leads them to ask: Is it legitimate for the faithful in certain circumstances to resist ecclesiastical authority, even that of the Supreme Pontiff? Is it possible that today we find ourselves in a situation analogous to when Saint Paul resisted the first Pope (Gal. 2:11)? This panoramic vision of Francis’ five year pontificate gives readers clear and documented answers to these questions. It analyzes the doctrinal problems involved and the proper response of the faithful.

    Both the Chilean-born author and the American TFP have chosen to formulate those answers in harmonious continuity with Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira’s words in 1974: “What, then, should we do? … Church Fathers, Doctors, moralists, and canonists – many of them raised to the honor of the altar – have affirmed the legitimacy of resistance. This genre of resistance is not separation, it is not revolt, it is not acrimony, it is not irreverence. On the contrary, it is fidelity, it is union, it is love, it is submission … Accordingly, in the sense in which Saint Paul resisted, our state is one of resistance.”

    The book has been published in Italian and Portuguese. The American TFP will soon be publishing an English edition.
     
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