The Vatican Has Fallen

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  1. sunburst

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    Perhaps Spadaro has forgotten
    Galatians 6:14
    But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ; by whom the world is crucified to me, and I to the world.
     
  2. picadillo

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    I live in Illinois. Gay marriage was on the ballot. PF comes out with this bs comment. By the way, he has also lied about "no gay mafia" within the church. Yes, lied. Am I judging him? All the catholic politicians who voted for gay marriage cited PF comment "who am I to judge" as their reason for support. Poor saintly Cardinal George who personally called every catholic politician to vote against the bill was back-stabbed by PF. After PF comments on this issue the floodgates opened for gay marriage everywhere mostly citing him. He is a proponent of the satanic Joseph Cardinal Bernadin's "seamless garment" where abortion and now, incredibly, global warming are on the same level morally. Yes, pray much for PF, and I pray two Hail Mary's every time I visit Christ for him. I don't know if he is going to hell or not, but I do believe he is a danger to one soul's salvation. I said it before and I will say it again, I am ashamed to have him as the pope of the catholic church. Never have I been more insulted by anyone about my faith than he has.
     
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  3. BrianK

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    Basta!


    https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/fleecing-the-faithful

    Montana Diocese Asks Catholic Laity to Help Pay $20 Million Sex Abuse Settlement
    Bp. Michael Warfel of Great Falls-Billings wants each parish to give 10% of its savings
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    by Church Militant • ChurchMilitant.com • July 27, 2018 33 Comments
    The head of a Montana diocese is asking Catholic laity to reach into their pockets and help cover the costs of a sex abuse lawsuit — and the faithful are outraged.

    In a letter read aloud to parishes in May in the diocese of Great Falls-Billings, Bp. Michael Warfel explained the need to pay out $20 million in a settlement with 86 victims of priestly sex abuse.

    The letter starts out quoting a song by John Michael Talbot in which he says, "We are one body, one body in Christ," before launching into an appeal to laity to help cover the costs of the settlement.

    "In my judgment, it would be unfair and unjust to present and future generations to totally deplete the resources of both the Diocese and its parishes and be unable to function as the Catholic Church of Eastern Montana," he said.

    After explaining the resources the diocese will put towards paying off the $20 million, Warfel makes clear that "parishes are being asked to contribute to the settlement."

    To Warfel's credit, he did not dress up the financial campaign with names like "Renew and Rebuild," as they did in the archdiocese of New York, or "Unleash the Gospel," as they're doing in the archdiocese of Detroit, or "Future Full of Hope" as in the diocese of Saginaw. Warfel was straightforward, making clear the problem was sex abuse and that part of the $20 million must come from parishes — meaning the laity.





    Colene and Buck Weckman attended a Sunday Mass in Billings when Bp. Warfel's letter was read in place of the homily. The priest explained that each parish was to give up to 10 percent of its savings. The parish itself had $600,000 in savings, meaning $60,000 would go directly towards covering the sex abuse settlement.

    Furthermore, each family in the parish was expected to contribute $1,000.

    In comments to Church Militant, the Weckmans expressed the frustration of so many laity, burdened with the criminal, spiritual and financial consequences of clerical misconduct.

    The Church has brushed all of this under the rug, turned a blind eye and held no one accountable for far too long. It is not the responsibility of the sheep, parishioners of Great Falls-Billings, Montana to pay for the sins of the Church hierarchy, either financially or emotionally. The responsibility lies squarely on Church leaders, cardinals and bishops and the hierarchy at the highest levels.

    Great Falls-Billings is just a microcosm of what's happening in dioceses all over the country. The predatory behavior of priests — and the bishops who protect them — have caused the loss of an incalculable number of souls, as well as billions of dollars in settlements — a bill that's ultimately footed by the innocent faithful, who did nothing to deserve it and should not be expected to pay for it.

    Church Militant is asking adult victims of clerical abuse or harassment to tell your story: MeToo@churchmilitant.com.
     
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    :eek: Gasp!
     
  5. BrianK

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    Maradiaga must go.

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/pope-francis-top-reform-cardinal-slams-seminarians-for-exposing-homosexual

    Pope Francis’ top ‘reform’ cardinal slams seminarians for exposing homosexuality inside seminary
    Doug Mainwaring
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    Cardinal Óscar Rodríguez Maradiaga
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    catholic, clergy sexual abuse, gay mafia, oscar andres rodrigues maradiaga, pope francis

    TEGUCIGALPA, Honduras, July 26, 2018, (LifeSiteNews) – One of the Vatican's most influential cardinals, already suspected of looking the other way while gay relationships were conducted in his personal residence, has now admonished fifty seminarians for speaking out against their seminary's rampant homosexual subculture.

    “Instead of praising the seminarians,” tweeted Ed Pentin, the National Catholic Register (NCR) who broke the story, Cardinal Óscar Rodríguez Maradiaga “accused them of being “gossipers” who wish to portray their fellow seminarians in a bad light.”

    “When their letter was read out to bishops, the cardinal “immediately started attacking the letter’s authors,” he added.



    Instead of praising the seminarians ++Maradiaga accused them of being “gossipers” who wish to portray their fellow seminarians in a bad light. When their letter was read out to bishops, the cardinal “immediately started attacking the letter’s authors” http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/honduran-seminarians-allege-widespread-homosexual-misconduct …

    — Edward Pentin (@EdwardPentin) 6:58 AM - Jul 26, 2018


    Maradiaga is the leader of Pope Francis’ Council of Nine cardinals and was entrusted with the Pope’s Vatican reforms.

    The concerned seminarians said in their joint letter that they could not “hide any more the magnitude of this problem in the seminary,” according to NCR, which obtained a copy of the letter.

    “We are living and experiencing a time of tension in our house because of gravely immoral situations, above all of an active homosexuality inside the seminary that has been a taboo all this time,” continued the young men’s letter, “and by covering up and penalizing this situation the problem has grown in strength, turning into, as one priest said not so long ago, an ‘epidemic in the seminary.’”

    Their letter seeks systemic changes for the seminary, including demanding that the school’s formators follow magisterial teaching on homosexuality and that their seminarians who engage in gay romantic or sexual behavior be ousted.

    “Not everyone who wants to can be a priest!” they said. “The ministry is a gift that should be lived and received from the conviction of the Gospel and radical and jealous love.”

    The NCR report offers other stunning glimpses inside the troubled Honduran seminary:

    "Heterosexual seminarians are scandalized and really depressed,” one of the seminarians who drafted the letter told the Register.

    “Many are thinking about leaving the seminary,” the seminarian said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of a fear of reprisals. “I fear that many will leave.”

    The report continues:

    Part of the impetus for the letter to bishops was that a seminarian from the Honduran Diocese of Santa Rosa de Copán tried but failed to take his own life in April, after he had discovered his male lover in the seminary was in another relationship.

    The Register has obtained a copy of the seminarian’s suicide note. “I am going to my Father’s house,” the handwritten letter reads. “I never believed that my friend, my brother, the one that I trusted everything and which I gave too many things,” would have “betrayed me that way.”

    The Register also obtained graphic photographic evidence of homosexual pornography, exchanged on WhatsApp between seminarians who did not sign the letter, as well as other obscene messages. The exchanges have been verified as authentic by computer specialists at the Catholic University of Honduras who searched computer memory and handed the exchanges to the country’s bishops.

    Upon hearing the contents of the letter, both Cardinal Maradiaga and Honduran bishops’ conference president, Bishop Angel Garachana Pérez, reportedly lashed out against the letter’s authors.

    Cardinal Maradiaga “looks out for the guilty but doesn’t realize that over half the seminarians are homosexuals,” according to a source who spoke to NCR.

    The developing archdiocesan seminary scandal comes on the heels of another homosexual scandal concerning one of Cardinal Maradiaga’s close colleagues, Auxiliary Bishop Juan José Pineda Fasquelle, which came to light last year.

    Pineda was known to have a “string of intimate male friends” on whom he lavished gifts, going so far as to give his first assistant, a Mexican named Erick Cravioto Fajardo, a downtown apartment.

    But for years, Cravioto lived in a room adjacent to the Cardinal’s quarters at the archbishop’s residence, Villa Iris, where Bishop Pineda also had living quarters.

    “Cravioto’s room was ‘right next to the cardinal,’ who knew ‘perfectly well that Pineda spent hours and hours with him and never said anything, never did anything,’” according to an earlier Register report.

    The cardinal reportedly dismissed Bishop Pineda’s relationship with Cravioto and “made excuses for it all,” according to the Register’s Honduran source.

    Pope Francis accepted Bishop Pineda’s resignation last week.

    Polish priest Fr. Dariusz Oko exposed in 2012 what he called a “huge homosexual underground in the Church” where actively homosexual seminarians, priests, and bishops “shield one another by offering mutual support.”

    “They build informal relationships reminding of a clique or even mafia, aim at holding particularly those positions which offer power and money,” he wrote.

    “When they achieve a decision-making position, they try to promote and advance mostly those whose nature is similar to theirs, or at least who are known to be too weak to oppose them. This way, leading positions in the Church may be held by people suffering from deep internal wounds,” he added.
     
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  6. BrianK

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    Gasp? More like Puke! Have they NO SHAME?!?
     
  7. AED

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    Ditto.
     
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    So they are now going to "rape" the laity for $$$ :mad::mad:

    It isn't enough that all this is happening and has happened for YEARS and so many of the predators are being shielded or moved.

    Sigh.
     
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    :mad::confused::mad:

    So let's hide some more things and see how that works and then ask the laity to bail them out some time down the road.

    Sorry for the sarcasm but really.......these are the people that are responsible to direct us to Heaven :censored:
     
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  10. SgCatholic

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    My sentiments too.
    All arrogance and no shame!
     
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  11. SgCatholic

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    First and foremost, I wish PF would go. :(
     
  12. BrianK

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    The dominos are starting to fall. Will they lead to Rome?
     
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    I strongly suspect but remain quiet for now.
     
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    The saints indicate they will.....
     
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    I wonder what John Michael Talbot would think about his lyrics being used to try and convince parishioners to raise the money for a sex abuse settlement?
     
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    Part of my daily prayer routine is the Seven Sorrows devotion. One day while meditating on the Sorrows, I realized that three in particular have relevance to the interior trials of the Church.

    The first would be the Prophecy of Simeon, wherein Our Lady experienced tremendous sorrow at the very moment she was being obedient to the “Church authorities” of her time.

    The second would be the Taking Down of the Body of Jesus From the Cross, wherein Our Lady was largely abandoned by most of the disciples and left alone at the foot of the Cross with only a few faithful disciples and Our Lord’s broken Body.

    The third would be the Seventh Sorrow, wherein Our Lady remained faithful even in the face of the seeming desolation and defeat of the Tomb.
     
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  17. SgCatholic

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    Look at this excerpt from a new article in one Peter five:

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    What confidence can any Catholic have, then, that McCarrick, whose abuse thus far appears to fall outside civil statues of limitations, will face any justice for his crimes? What hope have we that he will be defrocked and laicized, as other, less significant clerics have been for far less? What chance is there that any action will be initiated by Rome? Will Bishops Bootkoski, Smith, and Myers be thoroughly questioned and exposed and disciplined if complicity is discovered? Or Tobin and Farrell for that matter? Will the pope’s 2016 motu proprio on episcopal enablers of clerical sex abuse, As a Loving Mother, actually be put to use? That instruction states that, “In the case of the abuse of minors and vulnerable adults it is enough that the lack of diligence be grave,” and that a bishop “can be legitimately removed from this office if he has through negligence committed or through omission facilitated acts that have caused grave harm to others, either to physical persons or to the community as a whole. The harm may be physical, moral, spiritual or through the use of patrimony.”

    Of course, experience gives us the answer. We can expect no such thing from Rome, which routinely turns a blind eye to moral corruption in the ranks of our bishops. We can expect nothing from the fellow bishops who may have information, or may in fact be complicit in some way, or concerned about the revelation of their own sins. We can almost certainly expect more silence from priests afraid of retribution.

    It seems imperative, then, that the push come from the laity. From normal pewsitters. From journalists. From those who know what has happened, and want it to stop.

    With McCarrick’s documented involvement in promoting the election of one Cardinal Bergoglio, it’s not outside the realm of possibility that once the dominoes start falling, the last one in this network of corruption that is protecting clerical abusers will fall at the feet of Pope Francis.

    Wherever it leads us, let them fall.

    https://onepeterfive.com/which-mcca...-be-the-first-to-fall-and-where-will-it-lead/
     
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    https://onepeterfive.com/pope-accepts-resignation-of-cardinal-mccarrick-from-college-of-cardinals/

    Pope Accepts Resignation of Cardinal McCarrick from College of Cardinals
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    In a statement from the Vatican this morning, it has been announced that the resignation of Cardinal Theodore McCarrick from the College of Cardinals has been accepted in the wake of a rising tide of sexual abuse allegations. The full statement, as translated by Edward Pentin of the National Catholic Register, reads:

    Yesterday evening the Holy Father received the letter in which Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, Archbishop Emeritus of Washington (U.S.A.), presented his resignation as a member of the College of Cardinals.

    Pope Francis accepted his resignation from the cardinalate and has ordered his suspension from the exercise of any public ministry, together with the obligation to remain in a house yet to be indicated to him, for a life of prayer and penance until the accusations made against him are examined in a regular canonical trial.

    Pentin notes that the last cardinal to be “stripped of all cardinalatial rights and duties” was Cardinal Keith Patrick O’Brien, now deceased, who was archbishop of St. Andrews and Edinburgh. O’Brien also faced sexual abuse allegations. He was allowed to retain his title of cardinal. Before the O’Brien case, writes Pentin, the most recent resignation from the College was that of Cardinal Louis Billot in 1927, who resigned “in protest at the Church’s condemnation of the far-Right anti-Semitic Action Française movement.”

    No date appears to have been set for a canonical trial for the 88 year old cardinal at the center of the Church’s latest — but almost certainly not last — imbroglio over clerical sexual abuse.
     

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