The Vatican Has Fallen

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  1. Mario

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    The most succinct and clear-cut 18 words I have heard expressed on this forum in a long time. No matter it be the NO or the TLM, to humbly unite ourselves to the Eternal Sacrifice is more efficacious and salvific than the wisest thousand words!

    Look with favor on these offerings and accept them as once you accepted the gifts of your servant Abel, the sacrifice of Abraham, our father in faith, and the bread and wine offered by your priest Melchisedech. Almighty God, we pray that your angel may take this sacrifice to your altar in heaven. Then, as we receive from this altar the sacred body and blood of your Son, let us be filled with every grace and blessing.
     
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  2. Jarg

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    This is wonderful news.

    The faithful Church is rising, our prayers are being answered. Like in the Arian crisis the faithful lay people (including parish priests) are not going swallow the poison. Non prevalevunt - they will not prevail !

    http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edwa...hops-to-address-pastoral-crisis-in-the-church

    Priests Appeal to World’s Bishops to Address ‘Pastoral Crisis’ in the Church
    Their plea to reaffirm the Gospel comes in response to errors in teaching which they say have their roots in ‘secular mentalities and the false moral theology of past decades.’
    Edward Pentin
    A group of priests has issued a plea to all the world’s bishops to “reaffirm Christ’s teaching” in the face of today’s “pastoral crisis” in the Catholic Church.

    Fifteen American and European clergy, including Father Gerald Murray, a frequent guest on EWTN’s The World Over program, highlight a resurgence of “gravely harmful moral errors” regarding the feasibility of living Jesus’ teachings, the nature of conscience, and the role of the Church.

    With measured and respectful words, A Pastoral Appeal to the Bishops for an Apostolic Reaffirmation of the Gospel expresses the hope that “much of the damage” caused by this trend “could be healed or mitigated” if bishops were to “reaffirm Jesus’ teachings and to correct those errors with the full authority of your apostolic office.”

    Doing so would “benefit those entrusted to your care,” they continue, and would “contribute greatly to the unity and well-being of the universal Church.” The priests warn that “without such assistance, this detrimental situation will worsen significantly.”

    The priests’ appeal, signed on April 22, Good Shepherd Sunday, comes after frequent statements and actions from some of the hierarchy, theologians and even Pope Francis himself which many of the faithful believe question or even openly contradict the Church’s established teaching and pastoral practice.

    Without referencing the Holy Father or any particular document, priest, bishop or theologian, the priests highlight a general “mistaken approach” which asserts that those who “commit objectively evil acts, and judge themselves subjectively free of culpability, must be allowed to receive Holy Communion.”

    They argue that this can lead to the mistaken belief that, although certain behaviors are always evil, “in some circumstances those behaviors are the most realistic good that can be achieved or, indeed, are simply good.” Taken even further, they argue that this could lead to believing that such sinful “behaviors can be approved or proposed by God.”

    “Christ’s life and moral teachings are thus presented as abstract ideals that must be adjusted to fit our circumstances, rather than as realities already attuned to free us from sin and evil in every situation,” the priests explain.

    Read more ..
    http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edwa...hops-to-address-pastoral-crisis-in-the-church
     
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  3. padraig

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    A couple of weeks ago I was shown the altar as being present in heaven and Earth at the same time; it was very beautiful.

    I was also shown St . Michael and a great phalanx of angels come down to move it.

    The words of the Liturgy are not just .ere words; they are facts.
     
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  4. SgCatholic

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    In the year 2000, when the 3rd secret of Fatima was officially 'released', then Cardinal Ratzinger said that it referred to the 1981 Pope John Paul II assassination attempt. He also said:
    "First of all we must affirm with Cardinal Sodano: ‘… the events to which the third part of the ‘secret’ of Fatima refers now seem part of the past’. Insofar as individual events are described, they belong to the past. Those who expected exciting apocalyptic revelations about the end of the world or the future course of history are bound to be disappointed."

    BUT, very strangely, on May 13 2010, (now) Pope Benedict XVI said (in a reversal of what he had said before):
    “We would be mistaken to think that Fatima’s prophetic mission is complete.”
    “May the seven years which separate us from the centenary of the apparitions hasten the fulfillment of the prophecy of the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of May, to the glory of the Most Holy Trinity.”

    We also know about the report by Maike Hickson of OnePeterFive, about Fr Ingo Dollinger's revelation:
    " Not long after the June 2000 publication of the Third Secret of Fatima by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger told Fr. Dollinger during an in-person conversation that there is still a part of the Third Secret that they have not published! “There is more than what we published,” Ratzinger said. He also told Dollinger that the published part of the Secret is authentic and that the unpublished part of the Secret speaks about “a bad council and a bad Mass” that was to come in the near future."

    Now this would explain why in 2011, Pope Benedict decided to issue the motu proprio Summorum Pontificum, to allow the Mass of The Ages to be celebrated again.

    In that onepeterfive article, (https://onepeterfive.com/cardinal-ratzinger-not-published-whole-third-secret-fatima/)
    "All these actions of Pope Benedict XVI show that he must have known, in his conscience, that he somehow had to correct certain injustices and confusing ambiguities of the recent past. He defended the traditional Mass, he gave back dignity to the SSPX, and he re-inserted the importance of the Fatima message. Additionally, he also tried to deal with the mystery of Vatican II, although, it seems, in too vague of a manner.
     
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  5. SgCatholic

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    It is interesting that in the article linked to by member sunburst, Archbishop Sample is mentioned specifically:

    "Archbishop Sample, from Portland Oregon, put it well when he said at the Sacra Liturgia Conference in Rome, that he wants all of his priests to learn and offer the Latin Mass because of the effect it has on them understanding their role as priests. He said that offering the Holy Latin Mass has changed him completely and now he finally understands the sacrificial aspect of his priesthood."

    Everyone who is interested in the current discussion about the Traditional Latin Mass vs the Novus Ordo mass should read that brilliant article.
     
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  6. SgCatholic

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    This is part of Eucharistic Prayer 1, which as far as I am aware, is very infrequently said as compared to the more common Eucharistic Prayer 2.
    The equivalent part in Eucharistic Prayer 2 is as follows:

    Humbly we pray
    that, partaking of the Body and Blood of Christ,
    we may be gathered into one by the Holy Spirit.
     
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  7. SgCatholic

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    God warned us that Satan would do such a convincing job, that if it were possible, even the very elect would be deceived.
    Matthew 24:23-24


    Have the very elect been deceived?
     
  8. SgCatholic

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    Interestingly, this article is on rorate-coeli now:

    Guest article — The Council’s Constitution on the Liturgy: Reform or revolution?
    https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2018/05/guest-article-councils-constitution-on.html#more

    "It appears now to have really become generally known that the missal of Paul VI is a disaster for the Church. Highly relevant in this regard is the strong criticism made by Cardinal Sarah at the liturgical conference in Herzogenrath."
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    "The fundamental message of my presentation is this: Sacrosanctum Concilium—the Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy (hereafter “SC”)—is not a reform but a revolution. It initiated a permanent revolution. It doesn’t return the rite of the Mass—which may have lost its shape or required improvements—to the correct form, which after all is the meaning of reformare. It rather laid the foundation for wide-ranging changes. But in so doing, the revolutionary impetus of the conciliar document is clothed in traditional, if verbose, language and is thus hard to recognize at first glance. It’s the product of a conspiracy that strove to undermine the faith of the Church. The same holds true for the other documents of Vatican II, as Karl Rahner and Herbert Vorgrimler (Kleines Konzilskompendium) openly admitted. "

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    "A “Reform of the Reform” is not worthwhile. The missal and the breviary should return to the old use."

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    "...he (the priest), a member of a Catholic organization of fraternities of students and university graduates, told me of an event at one of their member fraternities. A high-ranking freemason had been invited. According to the priest, the guest stated at the event that the liturgical reform was “their” (the freemasons’) work."
     
  9. SgCatholic

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    This address by Cardinal Sarah is also good and well worth a read:
    Cardinal Sarah’s address on the 10th Anniversary of “Summorum Pontificum”
    https://www.catholicworldreport.com...-the-10th-anniversary-of-summorum-pontificum/

    "Hence it is necessary to recognize that the serious, profound crisis that has affected the liturgy and the Church itself since the Council is due to the fact that its CENTER is no longer God and the adoration of Him, but rather men and their alleged ability to “do” something to keep themselves busy during the Eucharistic celebrations.

    Even today, a significant number of Church leaders underestimate the serious crisis that the Church is going through: relativism in doctrinal, moral and disciplinary teaching, grave abuses, the desacralization and trivialization of the Sacred Liturgy, a merely social and horizontal view of the Church’s mission.

    Many believe and declare loud and long that Vatican Council II brought about a true springtime in the Church. Nevertheless, a growing number of Church leaders see this “springtime” as a rejection, a renunciation of her centuries-old heritage, or even as a radical questioning of her past and Tradition. Political Europe is rebuked for abandoning or denying its Christian roots. But the first to have abandoned her Christian roots and past is indisputably the post-conciliar Catholic Church."

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    “No one can seriously deny the critical manifestations” and liturgy wars that Vatican Council II led to. Today they have gone on to fragment and demolish the sacred Missale Romanum by abandoning it to experiments in cultural diversity and compilers of liturgical texts."

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    "A young priest told me recently, “What we need today is a new liturgical movement.” This was an expression of a concern which nowadays only willfully superficial minds could ignore."
     
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    Dear Sg and all members of the MoG Forum,

    I have just watched only about a quarter of a documentary which contains the real footage of the US and allied Army, liberating many concentration camps of the Nazis in 1945!


    It was real footage!


    It contained emaciated skeletons some were alive but most dead, some were survivors?, some were the buried, some were only body parts left in ovens or in piles in barns or in trenches , some skeletons were young and some were older and the young and older skeletons that had eyes that looked around were apparently alive!


    It was more than I could bear!


    To think that these atrocities happened and can happen again! Is beyond my comprehension!

    Lord have Mercy!


    Where are we now in this gruesome tale of mans inhumanity to man? I don't know?


    I looked at the faces of those that had survived????? and I think they envied the dead!
     
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    Yes, Biblical prophecy. And i can't believe that there are still holocaust deniers in this day and time. Eternal rest grant unto them, O Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon them.
    Lux eterna
     
  12. sunburst

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    These thoughts have also crossed my mind Josephite, and it is beyond my comprehension also!
    It is hard to wake up day after day aware of the reality of the great division taking place and the total rejection of Christ sovereign authority in the world today. It would be easy to fall into despair if the focus is to worry about tomorrow. For myself my focus has to be on the crosses given me for the day.
    I once heard that a cross is not a cross unless it is felt, but the embracing part is not so easy. But on the other hand if embracing my cross has the possibility of winning souls, I am all for it.
     
  13. sunburst

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    Yes Sg, there is no question about it, the changes in the liturgy has been a great cause of division!
     
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    Yes things are heating up!
     
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    This is quite a statement coming from a Cardinal. Do we grasp how important it truly is?
     
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    Pope Francis has sent back the German question on communion for none Catholics for a unanimous or near unanimous decision.

    Stand back and think about this for a second. The Pope is abandoning his teaching authority for a local democratic vote.
    So if the Germans vote one way, the Polish another and the Americas yet another; what does this mean?
     
  17. SgCatholic

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    It means utter chaos :mad:
     
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    Yes, ,but the big question is; is this through total incompetence or is it deliberate?

    I believe it is quite deliberate;that he is actively working to destroy the Church
     
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    Who told the youth to create a mess?

    Seems like a tactic to me!
     

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