If you read the story above from the lady who had received God's miracle grace, it was immediate! Immediately after she looked into the eye's of God the Father and asked for healing. This is not remission. It was an immediate response by God the Father to a faithful daughter after looking upon a blessed painting of a vision given to a holy man 50 years prior to the painting. Have we entered into a period where miracles are no longer accepted by the faithful? This miracle happened 12 years ago and his healed daughter is now a Sister of Charity. Praise God!
No, it is not a confirmed miracle. There is even contradictions between what the person being healed ( indicating that her condition was getting worse) and the doctor ( who reported her condition getting slowly better). In addition the physician documents that she was undergoing extensive therapy. This case would objectively not qualify for that reason alone, let alone the fact that her claims of her worsening condition was refuted by her own physician's documentation. So no, I don't have one reasonable objection... I have two. Btw, why blot out the name of the priest? Doesn't help make a convincing case.
Her condition was such that she could not work as she said. The facts of her testimony and that of her doctor are clear. It was an immediate healing that allowed her to go back to work with no pain. They both stated it was a healing from God! The last name was blotted out, because I did not contact the priest who blessed the picture and it is appropriate to do so without permission from him at this time.
No one should call anything a miracle unless it has been tested by the church. People who believe prophets who are not tested by the church get into trouble and lead others into trouble. This was in Spirit Daily today. A priest said the messages were from God but Pope Francis said otherwise! Pope Defrocks Monks For Rogue Exorcisms March 23, 2018 by sd Pope Francis stripped holy orders from nine monks in Ukraine, following reports that they had engaged in unapproved exorcisms and listened to a "prophetess." Investigators found monks violating monastic discipline and performing exorcism prayers without authorization at monasteries in Kolodiivka and Velyki Borky. Some of the monks did not follow the rules and were guided by the orders of a so-called "prophetess." Many of the unapproved practices — like reading exorcism prayers without permission — seem to have originated from a self-proclaimed "prophetess." "The people started to talk about Sister Maria Baran from the monastery in Velkyi Borky in 2004," church leaders explained. "She seemed to hear the voice of God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, Sacred Virgin Mary, and some saints. Some of the messages were written down by Father Planchak. The priest confirmed their veracity and origin from God but did not have the authorities for this as the Synod of UGCC officially claimed."
I don't get the comparison of this sorry report with the objections in GSWYL debate. It is very clear that full blown exorcism may not be done without the permission of the Bishop. This report states the unfortunate monks acted without the necessary permission, and it makes sense they should be stopped. I am a bit puzzled however that no mention was made of a warning to the monks to stop or they risked being defrocked. A bit of a puzzle indeed. Child molesters are given chances. These unwise monks were stamped on mercilessly without a chance to conform to holy obedience, and that is strange. God help them to put things right in the sight of God.
Dear Josephine, I must disagree with your comment on “No need for other living Hosts” as our dear Lord has desired for other “living hosts “ - to name just a few, Saint Faustina (as told in her Diary), Blessed Dina Belanger, venerable Conchita de Armida among many others - some unknown to us. John of the Cross said, “It should be known that the Word, the Son of God....is hidden by essence and presence in the innermost being of the soul.” To Saint Faustina, Jesus said, “You are a living host, pleasing to the Heavenly Father.” Faustina said, “I am a white host before you, O Divine Priest. Consecrate me yourself, and may my transubstantiation be known only to you.” It is the Will of Our Lord to have these living hosts. This does not mean that we do not adore Him in the Blessed Sacrament nor deny receiving Him in Holy Communion. We must be careful not to put God in a box so that the desires of His Heart are crushed and not made known to others. God bless you. Lynne
Disobedience is a key to discernment and it seems by this article that the monks were disobedient to the Church.
And also, God has said in the old and new Testaments that he will speak to his people through his prophets his messengers. For those that don't want to believe this, it is their loss. But it does not change the truth he repeated throughout scripture that indeed he will use those whom he chooses.
This is ridiculous statement and is not supported by either scripture or church teachings, which is our guide to knowing his truth. The prophets, God's messengers too should be tested by scripture and church teaching to assure nothing they say is contrary to it. Prophecy too is often confirmed by various messengers providing same information (prophetic consensus). For instance, the Warning or illumination of conscience, is something we can gather from scripture implicitly and many messengers explicitly, including church approved ones, such as St. Faustina. One does not have to believe in it to be saved, but it sure prepares us for the event if it is heeded.
Fatima, I think your argument is the alleged healing is a supernatural act of God. Because it supposedly happened to someone looking at a blessed picture of "God the Father" we are supposed to believe the picture is special, beyond it's just being an article blessed by a priest. Fatima, you are trying to make people believe in your whole Verne/Cletus story. BUT the local bishop is the only one who can decide if something is a supernatural act of God and can proclaim that. You can say that this was a miracle, but only the church can say MIRACLE with any authority, that it's really a sign from God. It ought to go to the local bishop for advice. Anyone who jumps to their own conclusions and starts trying to convince others about miracles without going through the church is wrong because only the bishop can say something is a miracle, and you are taking that role on yourself! With the Spirit Daily article on exorcisms what I meant to say was anyone can be mislead when they start to listen to "prophets" and start to follow them without going to a bishop and then they get into trouble. The monks were disobedient because they believed they were told what God wanted them to do directly through a "prophetess." But God would never ignore his proper channels like that. If a prophet tells you he or she doesn't need to go through the church and the bishop, you should ignore them, it is a very bad sign. And lots of false prophets say they have 'holy priests' who will vouch for them. There were priests involved with Veronica Leukins in Bayside, and with Locutions to the World and with Charlie Johnson. Sometimes priests everyone thinks are holy arent', like Father John Corapi. I used to believe in him and I was wrong!
Bishop Mugavero (sp) condemned the Bayside apparitions very early on, and the followers did not listen to the Bishop under the reasoning that he did not know the whole story Etc etc etc The apparitions are condemned and there are still people involved in activities promoting them I do not know of any priests specifically who followed them but the Canadian group Pilgrims of St Michael really really had a cult following around the apparitions
Well, Garabandal in Spain messages from the sixties have not been approved by the local Bishop or the Church. Medjugorje messages after the first seven days back in 1981 have not been approved by the local Bishop or the Church, and I exercise my free choice given by the Church to take what is good and leave the rest there. Until and IF the Church Magesterium bans them. There are one or two other messengers I also feel are not contradicting my lifelong Catholic beliefs or any Church Doctrine, and I like to read them and take heart from the contents. No names here ensures no futile debate. So why should people not take heart from GSWYL, as long as the messages do not contradict Church teaching. This has to be in line with what Saint Paul said of prophesies. So go for it Fatima, you can't convince sceptics who have already chosen not to trust anything not already approved. I really can see why God sent Angel Gabriel to make the Announcement to Mary that she had been chosen by God to be the mother of the promised Messiah, two thousand years ago. Good job she didn't wait for Church approval or we would all be Jewish or pagan. God must have known we would turn into a bunch of critics who trusted nobody in the latter days. And here's a bomber. Saint Patrick was never canonised officially from what I hear, so should we all drop the Saint title; because the Church has never approved the sainthood.
Julia, in Garabandal the priests and children never said they didn't need to bother with the bishop and decide not to present him with information. They never took it on themselves to declare a miracle. They went before the commissions. They were obedient to the church. That's different from many prophets today, like the one who deceived the monks involved in an exorcism who were just removed by Pope Francis. It is not whether a prophet is already approved, but whether he or she is obedient to the church and doesn't ignore the bishops. About the messages Fatima is talking about, Mac found a problem with the way "God" spoke about Christina Gallagher, and also with "proof" of the miracle. Plus the occult past of the prophet, I think that would worry the church and the bishops, and they would be very very careful when they examined the evidence. It is not about approval, but about an unwillingness to try to get approval or even ackowledge the church's authority.
Christy, you and Mac and any one else can talk down the miracle that occurred by God the Father to a humble soul and you can talk down all you want a book that God drafted through his servant Verne, but you won't detour those who believe in what God is doing and saying through his true messengers. This thread is not any different than those who try to shout down Glenn for years in his apostolate on the Garabandal thread or the LynnFiat on her Divine Will thread or any number of other threads started to share God's work. If it bothers you or anyone else then take it to prayer, because his work will not take a back seat to those whose hearts are not open to hear God's words through his various messengers whom have been given the task, as Jonah was, to spread His word no matter what naysayers want to believe. If you can find one sentence, one teaching that is contrary to our Catholic teachings, please bring it forth, lest you just be a noisy gong opposing the works of God.
For those who missed my earlier post on another thread, on what Father Raux (former head of the Marian Movement of Priests) wrote after studying the book GSWYL here it is again (my emphasis in red). The book God Speaks Will You Listen has been read front to back by holy priests and monks at St. John's Collegeville, Minnesota, and also by Father Albert G. Raux (former head of the MMP) who wrote in a letter I have dated June 27, 2011: "I must say that I did not learn anything new from God's messages from Verne. I have read many messages from other locutions and prophets from various countries. What I found however, is that the messages to Verne present a pretty good summary of the many other messages. Also, I noticed that messages in question do not present a timetable as such , but some kind of sequence or order of the many catastrophic and events to come that is not necessarily found in other recipients messages that was quite interesting. I have not discovered anything that contradicted the teachings of the Church or the Holy Scriptures. One particular aspect in these messages that I found quite interesting is the fact that the Lord gives Verne the biblical references corresponding to the messages. I found that to be very precious and assuring. This is a great help in the understanding of the messages authenticity. I would not be afraid of sharing them with others who are in initiated with such messages and also where there is good need of conversion and preparation. Keep in mind however, that prophecies can change if peoples submit to the will of God. I am interested in sharing this book with certain people, if you would allow me to keep it." signed Father Albert G Roux
Dear Lynne, When a Mystic or even yourself or myseif recieved Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament, Our one desire is to allow Jesus to fully live in us and transform us, so that it is He that acts in us! St Pauls tells us this very thing in Galatians 2:19-20 19 In fact, through the Law I am dead to the Law so that I can be alive to God. I have been crucified with Christ 20 and yet I am alive; yet it is no longer I, but Christ living in me. The life that I am now living, subject to the limitation of human nature, I am living in faith, faith in the Son of God who loved me and gave himself for me. As we see above this is the desire of every Catholic from St Paul to now, it is not a new relelation! When Saint Faustina wrote about being a living host it is the same vein as St Paul above, it is that we die to ourselves so others only see Jesus! St Faustina............Oh, what joy it is to empty myself for the sake of immortal souls! ... O Jesus, outwardly I want to be hidden, just like this little wafer wherein the eye perceives nothing, and yet I am a host, consecrated to You (Diary, 641). Once, the image [of The Divine Mercy] was being exhibited over the altar during the Corpus Christi procession ... when the priest exposed the Blessed Sacrament, and the choir began to sing, the rays of the image pierced the Sacred Host and spread out over the whole world. Then I heard these words: These rays of mercy will pass through you just as they have passed through this host, and they will go out through all the world. At these words, profound joy invaded my soul (Diary, 441). O merciful Jesus, how longingly You hurried to the Upper Room to consecrate the Host that I am to receive in my life. Jesus, You desired to dwell in my heart. Your living Blood unites with mine. Who can understand this close union? My heart encloses within itself the Infinite One. O Jesus, continue to grant me Your divine life. Let your pure and noble Blood throb with all its might in my heart. I give You my whole being. Transform me into Yourself and make me capable of doing Your holy will in all things, and of returning Your love (Diary, 832). We see clearly her Love of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament; her desire is not to become a living host but rather she realises that dying to herself Jesus may live in her! just as all cannonised saints have desired over 2 millennia! When I had received Jesus in Holy Communion, my heart cried out with all its might, "Jesus, transform me into another host! I want to be a living host for You. You are a great and all-powerful Lord; You can grant me this favor." And the Lord answered me, You are a living host, pleasing to the Heavenly Father. But reflect: what is a host? A sacrifice. And so? O my Jesus, I understand the meaning of "host," the meaning of sacrifice. I desire to be before Your Majesty a living host; that is, a living sacrifice that daily burns in Your honor. When my strength begins to fail, it is Holy Communion that will sustain me and give me strength (Diary, 1826). St. Faustina was absolutely correct when she expressed in her Diary her wonder and awe at the presence of the merciful love of God in the Eucharist! It is Jesus she recognises as leading her and living in her at Holy Communion! Oh what awesome mysteries take place during Mass! One day we will know what God is doing for us in each Mass, and what sort of gift He is preparing in it for us. Only His divine love could permit that such a gift be provided for us (Diary, 914). In fact, Jesus summed up for us the great mystery of the Mass when He said to St. Faustina: See, I have left My heavenly throne to become united with you. What you see is just a tiny part, and already your heart swoons with love. How amazed will your heart be when you see Me in all My glory. But I want to tell you that eternal life must begin already here on earth through Holy Communion. Each Holy Communion makes you more capable of communing with God throughout eternity (Diary, 1810-1811). In a passage dated January 4, 1935, she explains the holy way she spent the final hours of 1934: in intense prayer before Christ in the Eucharist. (Diary, 352ff) Then, as the clock struck midnight, she broke out into a litany of praise to Jesus in the Eucharist! The full text of her amazing prayer is below. After recording the prayer in her diary, she finished the entry for that date with this thought: “I do not understand how it is possible not to trust in Him who can do all things. With Him, everything; without Him, nothing. He is Lord. He will not allow those who have placed all their trust in Him to be put to shame.” Here’s St. Faustina’s Litany to the Blessed Eucharist: O Blessed Host, in whom is contained the testament of God’s mercy for us, and especially for poor sinners. O Blessed Host, in whom is contained the Body and Blood of the Lord Jesus as proof of infinite mercy for us, and especially for poor sinners. O Blessed Host, in whom is contained life eternal and of infinite mercy, dispensed in abundance to us and especially to poor sinners. O Blessed Host, in whom is contained the mercy of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit toward us, and especially toward poor sinners. O Blessed Host, in whom is contained the infinite price of mercy which will compensate for all our debts, and especially those of poor sinners. O Blessed Host, in whom is contained the fountain of living water which springs from infinite mercy for us, and especially for poor sinners. O Blessed Host, in whom is contained the fire of purest love which blazes forth from the bosom of the Eternal Father, as from an abyss of infinite mercy for us, and especially for poor sinners. O Blessed Host, in whom is contained the medicine for all our infirmities, flowing from infinite mercy, as from a fount, for us and especially for poor sinners. O Blessed Host, in whom is contained the union between God and us through His infinite mercy for us, and especially for poor sinners. O Blessed Host, in whom are contained all the sentiments of the most sweet Heart of Jesus toward us, and especially poor sinners. O Blessed Host, our only hope in all the sufferings and adversities of life. O Blessed Host, our only hope in the midst of darkness and of storms within and without. O Blessed Host, our only hope in life and at the hour of our death. O Blessed Host, our only hope in the midst of adversities and floods of despair. O Blessed Host, our only hope in the midst of falsehood and treason. O Blessed Host, our only hope in the midst of the darkness and godlessness which inundate the earth. O Blessed Host, our only hope in the longing and pain in which no one will understand us. O Blessed Host, our only hope in the toil and monotony of everyday life. O Blessed Host, our only hope amid the ruin of our hopes and endeavors. O Blessed Host, our only hope in the midst of the ravages of the enemy and the efforts of hell. O Blessed Host, I trust in You when the burdens are beyond my strength and I find my efforts are fruitless. O Blessed Host, I trust in You when storms toss my heart about and my fearful spirit tends to despair. O Blessed Host, I trust in You when my heart is about to tremble and mortal sweat moistens my brow. O Blessed Host, I trust in You when everything conspires against me and black despair creeps into my soul. O Blessed Host, I trust in You when my eyes will begin to grow dim to all temporal things and, for the first time, my spirit will behold the unknown worlds. O Blessed Host, I trust in You when my tasks will be beyond my strength and adversity will become my daily lot. O Blessed Host I trust in You when the practice of virtue will appear difficult for me and my nature will grow rebellious. O Blessed Host, I trust in You when hostile blows will be aimed against me. O Blessed Host, I trust in You when my toils and efforts will be misjudged by others. O Blessed Host, I trust in You when Your judgments will resound over me; it is then that I will trust in the sea of Your mercy. +Most Holy Trinity, I trust in Your infinite mercy. God is my Father and so I, His child, have every claim to His divine Heart; and the greater the darkness, the more complete our trust should be. Amen!
My favorite place to pray is a local Perpetual Adoration Chapel. Located in the vestibule is a very large copy of the image of Divine Mercy. An image of our Lord greets all who enter. You can see him as you enter the code from the side walk. on the wall behind the Blessed Sacrament is a large crucifix with the Corpus on it. In recent weeks I have felt a yearning to have a similar crucifx on my wall. A good depiction is pricey though.
Dear Josephite, I know that we disagree on the subject, and also you have made clear in the past your objection to Luisa Piccarreta's writings, but in reply to what you have posted above, I feel I should offer you this to ponder, if you wish to have more understanding of what the differences are as told by Jesus to Luisa. Should you decide you do not want to read this, that is up to you, but I felt Jesus wanted you to read this. I know that it is not easy to read just a few paragraphs of 36 volumes from the Book of Heaven, and as our beloved Pope John Paul II asked us never to take writings out of context without reading the entire subject, but perhaps this may give you a little understanding. Please pray to Our Lady to help you, and others who will read this, to make clear to you what Jesus is saying. I pray for you - please pray for me. God bless you. Lynne Luisa: Now, while I was pouring out my pain with Jesus, He made Himself seen in my interior. The Sacramental veils formed like a mirror in which Jesus was... alive and real. And my sweet Jesus told me: "My daughter, this mirror is the accident of bread, which keeps Me imprisoned within them. I form my Life in the Host, but It does not give Me anything - not one affection, not a heartbeat, not the tiniest ‘I love you.’ It is as if dead for Me. I remain alone, without the shadow of anything in return. Therefore my Love is almost impatient to get out, to break this glass, descending into hearts, in order to find in them that return which the Host doesn’t know how to give Me, nor can it do so. But do you know where I find my true return? In the soul who lives in my Will. As soon as I descend into her heart, I consume the accidents of the Host, because I know that more noble accidents, more dear to Me, are ready to imprison Me, in order to keep Me inside that heart, which will not only give Me life in itself - but life for life. I will no longer be alone, but with my most faithful company. We will be two hearts palpitating together; we will love united; our desires will be one. So, I remain in her, and I live my Life there - alive and real - just as I do in the Most Holy Sacrament. But do you know what these accidents are which I find in the soul who does my Will? These are her acts done in my Volition which - more than accidents - extend themselves around Me; they imprison Me, but inside a noble, Divine prison, not a dark one, because her acts done in my Will illuminate and warm, more than sun. Oh, how happy I feel to live my real Life in her. I feel as if I were inside my Celestial Royal Palace! Look at Me in your heart; how happy I am; how I delight and feel the purest joys!" And I: ‘My beloved Jesus, isn’t this a new and special thing that you are telling me - that you live your real Life in one who lives in your Will? Isn’t this rather the mystical Life, which You live in the hearts that possess your Grace?’ And Jesus: "No, no, it is not a mystical Life, as it is for those who possess my Grace, but who do not live with their acts identified in my Volition, and therefore do not have sufficient material to form the accidents and imprison Me. It would be as if the Priest lacked the Host, and still wanted to pronounce the words of the Consecration. He could pronounce them, but he would say them to the empty space - my Sacramental Life would certainly not have existence. In the same way, I find Myself in the hearts which might possess my Grace, but do not live completely in my Will. I am in them by Grace, but not in reality." And I: ‘My love, but how is it possible that You can really live in the soul who lives in your Will?’ And Jesus: "My daughter, don’t I perhaps live in the Sacramental Host, alive and real - in Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity? And why do I live in the Host in Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity? Because there is not a will which is opposed to Mine. If I found in the Host a Will opposed to Mine, I would form neither a real nor a perennial Life in it. This is also the reason for which the Sacramental accidents are consumed when creatures receive Me: I do not find a human will united with Mine, disposed to give itself in order to acquire my Will; rather, I find a will which wants to act, and do it by itself. So I make my little visit, and I leave. On the other hand, for one who lives in my Will, my Volition and hers are one. And if I do this in the Host, how much more can I do it in her; more so, since I find a heartbeat, an affection, my reward and interest - all that I do not find in the Host. My real Life is necessary to the soul who lives in my Will; otherwise how could she live in my Volition? Ah, you don’t want to understand that the Sanctity of living in my Will is a Sanctity completely different from the other Sanctities. Except for the crosses, the mortifications, the necessary acts of life which, done in my Will, embellish her even more, it is nothing other than the life of the Blessed in Heaven who, living in my Will, by virtue of It, possess Me within each one of them, as if I were only for each one - alive and real - and not mystically, but really dwelling within them. And just as this could not be called "Life of Heaven" if they did not have Me within them as their own Life; and their happiness would not be perfect and complete, if even a tiny particle of my Life were missing in them; in the same way, my Will would be neither full nor perfect in one who lives in my Volition, if my real Life which emits this Will, were missing. It is true that these are all prodigies of my Love. In fact, this is the prodigy of prodigies, which my Will has kept within Itself until now, and which It now wants to deliver in order to achieve the primary purpose of the Creation of man. Therefore, I want to form my first real Life within you."
