Wonderful!!! I cannot encourage people enough to go to the Latin Mass if possible. I don't say this out of liturgical preference or out of nostalgia or any such reason. I say it because it is quickly becoming a necessity if you want to attend a Catholic Mass that is unadulterated by novelty and heresy. You will never hear ideas like the "blessing" of homosexual "couples" or support for any of the other nonsense that is being promulgated today at a traditional Mass. You will hear about the Rosary, confession, prayer, etc. in essence you will hear Catholic teaching. It is not an accident that most of the sermons posted to the forum are from Traditional priests. They are almost the only fountain from which you can drink the purity of Catholic teaching anymore.
It is indeed a mixed blessing to have all of these people out in the open now. True they are leading many astray, but for those who truly wish to look it is clear that these "new ideas" being put forth are in no way Catholic. Better to have them operating in front of the curtain than behind it.
by Thomas D. Williams, Ph.D.15 Feb 2018121 15 Feb, 2018 15 Feb, 2018 For the sake of his peace of mind, Pope Francis says he doesn’t read websites that accuse him of heresy, which he attributes to “resistance” to necessary reforms in the Vatican. “Some people tell me it’s normal that there is resistance when someone wants to make changes,” the pope says in a conversation with a community of Jesuits in Santiago, Chile, to be published in the Feb 15 issue of the Jesuit-run La Civiltà Cattolica. “The famous saying ‘this is the way it’s always been done’ reigns everywhere; it’s a great temptation that we all have faced.” “The opposition after Vatican II, which is still present, has this aim: to relativize and water down the Council,” he added. In his conversation with his brother Jesuits during his recent visit to South America, Francis said that not every difficulty in life should be considered a “resistance,” noting that discernment is needed to separate true opposition from mere misunderstandings. “It is easy to say that there is resistance and not to realize that in that push-back there can also be a shred of truth,” he said. “This also helps me to relativize many things that, at first, seem like resistance, but in reality are just a reaction arising from a misunderstanding.” “But when I realize that there is real resistance, of course, I’m sorry,” he said. “I’m even sorrier when somebody enlists in a campaign of resistance. And unfortunately, I see this, too,” he said. “I cannot deny that these resistances exist. I see them and I know them,” the pope said. “There are doctrinal resistances. For my mental health I do not read the websites of this so-called ‘resistance.’ I know who they are, I know the groups, but I do not read them, simply for my mental health. When there is something very serious, people inform me so that I know. It is displeasing, but we must move on.” The pontiff said that his response to resistance depends on the good faith he perceives in those who are opposing him. “When I perceive opposition, I try to dialogue, when dialogue is possible; but some resistance comes from people who believe they have the true doctrine and accuse you of being a heretic,” he said. “When I do not find spiritual goodness in these people, because of what they say or write, I simply pray for them. It pains me, but I don’t dwell on it, for the sake of my mental health.” In 2016, four Catholic cardinals famously wrote a letter to Pope Francis asking him to clarify five serious doctrinal doubts proceeding from his 2016 apostolic exhortation Amoris Laetitia (The Joy of Love) concerning Holy Communion for the divorced and remarried, the indissolubility of marriage, and the proper role of conscience. The Pope chose not to respond to the cardinals’ doubts, and many defenders of Pope Francis interpreted the questions as a sort of opposition to the Francis. Not long after, one of the signers of the “dubia,” the American Cardinal Raymond Burke, said that a response was necessary because different interpretations were being proposed, without clarification. The Church “is suffering from a tremendous confusion on at least these five points,” Burke said, that have to do with “irreformable moral principles.” As cardinals, we “judged it our responsibility to request a clarification with regard to these questions, in order to put an end to this spread of confusion that is actually leading people into error,” he said. Burke also stated that the four cardinals wrote the letter “with the greatest sense of our responsibility as bishops and cardinals,” but also “with the greatest respect for the Petrine Office [of the Pope], because if the Petrine Office does not uphold these fundamental principles of doctrine and discipline, then, practically speaking, division has entered into the Church, which is contrary to our very nature.
JAA, Thank you for posting this. I hope that Pope Francis realizes that no one is asking him to read websites at all but sitting down with Cardinal Burke and possibly Cardinal Brandmuller and having a discussion about the dubia would be nice. In addition, if the Pope is letting the wrong people sift the information that is given to him that is probably one of his main problems. I really liked the following video which Blizzard posted on another thread yesterday. This is probably the best Vortex video that I have ever watched. They hit on this very issue of who is sifting through the information that is passed to the Pope, who exactly is helping him make crucial decisions, who is telling him that there is a bunch of "fake news" on the internet about him? IMHO, it is way past time for the Pope to stop blaming things on "fake news"/misunderstandings, etc. Talk is cheap. The Pope needs to have the dialogue with the remaining "dubia cardinals", dialogue has been possible for well over a year now.
You sadly are 100% correct. It is time to start pondering the luciferian connections PF has with the NWO and the St Gallan's group. He says he dialogues with those traditional catholic groups who are in disagreement with him. I say he is a liar. Matthew 5:37 New King James Version (NKJV) 37 But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one. I know this is quoted from the protestant bible but I believe it says it all. "For whatever is more than these is from the evil one."
You know, 'Peace of mind', is certainly not a Spiritual Aspiration. Nowhere in Scripture does it talk of , 'Peace of Mind', being a fruit of the Holy Spirit. Yes Jesus does say that Spirit will bring a, 'Peace that the World does not know'; but this is not all , 'Peace of Mind'. Two instances concerning this may illustrate. Suppose for instance I was a mass murderer like Hannibal Lector but my conscience did not bother me, as indeed many mass murderers are the least disturbed about things. Well then having Peace of Mind in this case would be a very bad thing. Another example, say a person of prayer who was in the Dark Night of the Soul found difficulty finding Peace of Mind. This would not be a bad thing in fact a good thing, signalling Purification . So I am alarmed that the Holy Father is citing , 'Peace of Mind' as a kind of end in itself It is not. I think he should be very,very uneasy indeed. The more unease the better. in this case Eating a bottle of Valium may very well bring Peace of Mind, but taking a bottle of Valium may very well not be a good idea. There is a very troubling lack of Spiritual Focus here; folksy phrases like, 'Peace of Mind', are totally, totally our of place. This urge to switch people off when they ask the hard questions is not good either. Very frankly by this stage, if I were the Holy Father I would be seeking a good monastery to Retreat to instead of burying myself in Peace of Mind, switching off , pass the joint, whatever stuff. But hey, chill out; be cool dude. Let the Real World roll on by.
I Google translated the following from the source, http://www.corriere.it/cronache/18_...c6-11e8-9c04-ff19f6223df1.shtml?refresh_ce-cp which was linked on the article that member JAA posted above. Please excuse any errors due to the informal translation. We publish a preview of some extracts from the talks that Pope Francis had with the Jesuits of Chile - which occurred on January 16 - and of Peru - which took place three days later, on January 19 - during his trip to South America. The conversations are transcribed by the director, Father Antonio Spadaro, on the next issue of "La Civiltà Cattolica" on Saturday Holy Father, what were the great joys and the great sorrows you had in your pontificate? "This of the pontificate is a rather peaceful period. From the moment I realized what was about to happen in the Conclave - an instant surprise for me - I felt a lot of peace. And until today that peace has not left me. It is a gift from the Lord, of which I am grateful. And I really hope you do not take it away from me. The things that do not take away peace, but yes grieve me, are the gossip. And gossip is displeasing to me, they make me sad. It often happens in closed worlds. When it happens in a context of priests or religious, I have to ask: how is this possible? You who left everything, you decided not to have a woman beside you, you did not get married, you did not have any children ... do you want to end up like a gossip scapula? Oh, my God, what a sad life!" What resistances did you encounter and how did you experience them? "I never say before the difficulty that it is a" resistance ", because it would mean giving up discerning, which I want to do instead. It is easy to say that there is resistance and not to realize that in that contrast there can also be a shred of truth. This also helps me to relativize many things that, at first sight, seem to resist, but in reality it is a reaction that arises from a misunderstanding ... But when I realize that there is real resistance, of course, I'm sorry. Some people tell me it's normal that there is resistance when someone wants to make changes. The famous "it's always been like that" reigns everywhere, it's a great temptation that we all lived. The resistances after Vatican II, still present, have this meaning: to relativize, to water down the Council. I'm even more sorry when somebody enlist in a resistance campaign. And unfortunately I see this too. I can not deny that there are any resistances. I see them and I know them. There are doctrinal resistance. For mental health I do not read the websites of this so-called "resistance". I know who I am, I know the groups, but I do not read them, simply for my mental health. If there is something very serious, they inform me why they know it. It is a displeasure, but we must move on. When I perceive resistances, I try to dialogue, when dialogue is possible; but some resistances come from people who believe they have the true doctrine and accuse you of being a heretic. When in these people, for what they say or write, I do not find spiritual goodness, I simply pray for them. I feel sorry, but I do not dwell on this feeling for mental hygiene ". In which reforms can we best support it? "I believe that one of the things that the Church needs most today, and this is very clear in the perspectives and pastoral objectives of Amoris laetitia, is discernment. We are used to "we can or can not". I too have received, in my training, the way of thinking "so far we can, so far we can not". I do not know if you remember that Colombian Jesuit who came to teach us moral at the Collegio Massimo; when he came to speak of the sixth commandment, one dared to ask the question: "Can the engaged couple kiss?". If they could kiss each other! Do you understand? And he said, "Yes, they can! No problem! Enough, however, that put a handkerchief in the middle ". This is a mental form of doing theology in general. A form mentis based on the limit. And we bring the consequences on us. " What do you say (in the Company) to those who are getting older and see less people behind them? "Considering the decrease of youth and strength, one could enter into institutional desolation. No, you can not afford it. Desolation pulls you down, it's a soggy blanket that pulls at you to see how you handle it, and takes you to bitterness, to disillusionment. I wonder if Xavier, in the face of the failure to see China without being able to enter it, was desolate. No, I imagine that he turned to the Lord, saying, "You do not want it, so hi, that's okay." He chose to follow the path proposed to him, and in that case it was death! ... But that's okay! Like Xavier at the gates of China, always look ahead ... You know God! " I would like to tell us a few words on the subject of sexual abuse. We are very marked by these scandals. "It is the greatest desolation the Church is undergoing. This drives us to shame, but we must also remember that shame is also a very Ignatian grace. And so let's take it as a grace and be deeply ashamed of it. We must love a Church with sores. Many sores ... I'll tell you a fact. On March 24, in Argentina is the memory of the military coup, of the dictatorship, of the desaparecidos, and Plaza de Mayo fills up to remember it. In one of those March 24, while I was about to cross the street, there was a couple with a child of two or three years, and the child ran ahead. The father told him: "Come, come, come here ... Attentive to pedophiles!". What a shame I tried! What a shame! They did not realize that I was the archbishop, I was a priest and ... what a shame! Sometimes they take out "consolation prizes", and someone even says, "Look at the statistics ... the ... I do not know ... 70% of pedophiles are in the family, of acquaintances. Then in the gyms, the pools. The percentage of pedophiles who are Catholic priests does not reach 2%, is 1.6%. It is not so much ... ". But it is terrible even if it were one of these brothers of ours! Because God has anointed him to sanctify children and adults, and he destroyed them. It's awful! We must listen to what an abused or abused feels like! On Fridays - sometimes you know it and sometimes you do not know it - I usually meet with some of them. Their process is very hard, they are annihilated. For the Church it is a great humiliation. It shows not only our fragility but also, let's face it, our level of hypocrisy. It is curious: the phenomenon of abuse has touched some new, prosperous Congregations. There the abuse is always the result of a mentality linked to power, which must be healed in its evil roots. There are three levels of abuse that go together: abuse of authority, sexual, and economic messes. Money is always in the middle: the devil enters from the wallet. " How do you see that the Spirit is now moving the Church towards the future? "Take back the Second Vatican Council, the Lumen gentium. Speaking to the Chilean bishops, I exhorted them to declericalization. Evangelization is done by the Church as a people of God. To us the Lord is asking to be an outgoing Church, a field hospital ... A poor Church for the poor! The poor are not a theoretical formula of the communist party, they are the center of the Gospel! It is in this line that I feel the Spirit is bringing us. There are strong resistance, but for me the fact that they are born is the sign that you go the good way. Otherwise the devil would not struggle to resist. "
If someone came to seeking Spiritual Advice and told me that their main focus was seeking, 'Peace of Mind, I would chase them. They wouldn't even get sitting down.
I don't know how others feel, but when I read how Pope Francis speaks, either I am getting really bad translations or he speaks very oddly. Often his message is incoherent to me. This message is another example of this. Is he that confused or does he really speak that way?
Its hippy speak. Chill out Fatima, cool it. I'm getting bad vibes from you. The Holy Father believes this will all go away if he closes his eyes and really, really thinks it away. Nirvana land. Tranquillitville. Peace. Flowers. Smiles. None of this is really happening; switch it all off man.
He might also be confusing a perhaps guilty conscience with his 'mental health'. Of course, the state of his mind is something that has already troubled you, Padraig.
It's like hippie talk, but there's something else. I was around in those times and I knew what the hippies were saying, or trying to say...(and I've watched Cheesh and Chong). But, Pope Francis speaks in a different slang yet and I can only think it to be in half truths. Intentionally confused language as to mask words, coded as such. This has always been my feeling as he speaks.
Michael Voris appears to be saying we have some kind of duty to the most, 'Charitable' view of the Pope's actions. I can't go along with this. The first duty of Charity is to the Truth. To looking at the way things are rather than the way we wish them to be. I am afraid Micheal Voris is still playing catch up on all this. They have had to be dragged kicking and screaming to ask some hard questions. They are entering the ball game very, very late and still want to keep playing soft ball. This is simply not realistic at this stage. There's lots and lots of very hard questions to asked here. Saying Pope Francis, 'Forgot' and accepting this. Well no.
Luke 12:51-53 : Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation. For there shall be from henceforth five in one house divided: three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son and the son against his father: the mother against the daughter and the daughter against her mother: the mother-in-law against the daughter-in-law and the daughter-in-law law against her mother-in-law. Matt 10:14-15 : And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words: going forth out of that house or city shake off the dust from your feet. Amen I say to you, it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment, than for that city. Matt 10:34-35 : Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword. For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. These are the words of Jesus Christ. Unlike Pope Francis, it's not all universal mercy with Him. Reconciliation is not without conditions (this also applies to the Sacrament of Reconciliation). Man-made attempts at reconciliation via 'dialogue' and 'genuinely trying to understand one another' are doomed to failure. The problem with compromise is that both sides end up being wrong. If one side has the Truth, it should firmly retain it.
I was raised by hippies. The kind of people who would send their young children to live with strangers they had never met for months while they went "on the road" playing "gigs". They were different. Pope Francis speaks as if he knows something very well but he chooses to not come out and say it so he speaks around it. This is why so many are able to read into his words exactly what they want to hear and justify their true desires.
Just who IS the "resistance"....and what are they "resisting"? Seems pretty obvious. When pointing at others remember those fingers pointing back! Sorta like the corrupt politicians attempting to blame the opposition of what they are guilty of themselves.
Sadly, I think you are right. He says he was surprised when he realised he would be elected Pope. How can anyone believe that now that the antics of the St. Gallen group are public knowledge? Despite the context in which they were used, probably the truest words he has ever spoken were "Who am I to judge". "It's always been like that" is the reason nobody will call the Pope a heretic to his face, and it's the reason his mouthpieces like Fr. Spadaro cite to demand unquestioning obedience to his overturning the clear teaching of Jesus. It's downright weird when the crisis he has inflicted on the Church stems from his contradicting Jesus who told the Pharisees that marriage was always meant to be between one man and one woman for life and would have always been like that if Moses hadn't succumbed to the hardness of men's hearts. Perhaps the real root of his mental health problems is the troubled conscience of an ambitious Jesuit who sought high office and got what he wished for, aided and abetted by agenda-driven people with less than stellar reputations.
