And that is the point of contention... There are folks feel obligated to share their goods in common with all mankind, and there are those who view themselves as being under no obligation to share anything with anyone - they view taxes as an act of robbery on the part of the government - and there are other people who believe all sorts of things in between these two extremes. Ideologically, where do you fall in all of this?
People are assuming that you are not pro-life because you discussed voting for a pro-abortion candidate on a different thread.
That bishop may be going a little far, but I have been taught that as good Catholics, we are not to support the death penalty.
I think Gordon Duff was in Syria some time early in the war Carol. I vaguely remember the article I read on it but it was interesting at the time. I don't really know what to make of Mr Duff as I always thought of him being one of those white hat's. He does have it in for Mr Trump though which I wonder about. I used to read Al J but gave up on it once I learned who owned it. I used to read and comment on Harretz at one time. I found them to be somewhat honest as they approved most all responses at the time. Now for my news I snoop in conspiracy forums where I sometimes comment when not banned. A lot of zany folk in those places but the links always are interesting I find. Thank you for reminder of the novena as I hope to try to finish this one once started........ Beannacht De...........
If there were pro-life candidates, I didn't know about them. The only candidates on the ballot here in Pennsylvania were Trump, Clinton, and Johnson, and since Johnson had no chance of winning, his position didn't matter - a vote for him would not cause the voter to become a participant in the abortion process or increase the number of abortions being performed. By voting for Johnson, a sure loser who could not possibly implement his views on abortion, I voted against Clinton, who was admittedly pro-abortion, AND against Trump, who claimed to be anti abortion but who was admittedly pro-abortion right up until the time he decided to run as a Republican. Bottom line was, I couldn't vote for Clinton, and since I didn't trust that Trump was telling the truth about being Pro-Life, I could not in good conscience vote for him either, so my only choice was Johnson, and as I said, his position didn't matter because he couldn't win.
That is true, but the Church wasn't always against child marriage, feudalism, or slavery either. As the saying goes, "Ecclesia semper reformanda est"... The Church, though sanctified through Jesus her source, is nonetheless always in need of reform and purification on account of human imperfection and sin. She is therefore at the same time holy yet imperfect, and Jesus is in the act of perfecting her, day by day and age by age. The Catechism says, "The Church on earth is endowed already with a sanctity that is real though imperfect."In her members perfect holiness is something yet to be acquired: "Strengthened by so many and such great means of salvation, all the faithful, whatever their condition or state - though each in his own way - are called by the Lord to that perfection of sanctity by which the Father himself is perfect" (CCC 825). And St. Paul says, "Christ loved the Church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, that he might present the Church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish" (Eph. 5:25-27).
Yes, I voted for a third party candidate who could not possibly win, in order to vote against Clinton, a pro abortion candidate, and Trump, whom I did not and do not believe is truly anti-abortion. Johnson was the best choice on the ballot for pro-life voters.
Made me think of Boy's Town Nebraska and what happened there. Those people were than and are now somehow protected from law. Then as now no one wanted to believe as it seems much easier to ignore that which we don't want to understand. Pizzagate as it was called when the news broke was also shocking. We are living in strange times methinks as some of this stuff just won't go away. Hopefully Mr Trump has a bead on this and those white hats are real. As you mention Saudi Arabia it made me think on reading of the shooting in Las Vegas. Stranger things as the suites above the shooter were owned by none other than the prince who went on to arrest all his family. That prince was in Nevada at the time of the shooting, Mr Trump was also alleged to be there. We do live in strange times, perhaps those times are times of awakening. If not this Q thing it will be something along those lines as to jolt us back to reality. I think there is some old saying out there as to we at some stage will be in a time of awakening. I do hope we are and I am able to stand my ground and know what to do.
Pizzagate, Solanus? I was under the impression that that was a hoax. If there's more to it, I'd like to know about it.
Which is simply NOT 2000 year traditional Catholic teaching but an innovation since the 1980s. https://onepeterfive.com/getting-it-wrong-about-the-death-penalty/
I’m in PA too but I took the time to research pro life third party candidates and wrote one in, which is another option. I couldn’t vote for ANYONE on the ballot in good conscience.
No, voting for a pro-abortion candidate is NEVER the best choice for a pro-life Catholic. If there is no pro-life candidate, the better option is not to vote at all. Our moral obligations far outweigh our civil duties.
