It is interesting that the same people who are telling us we must adhere to the Magisterium of Pope Francis are very quick to throw the Magisterium of Pope Paul VI under the bus. This is not about loyalty to any one Pope or to the Magisterium at all. It is about subverting the Church from within. The Modernists will use whatever buzzwords or tactics are handy in the moment. They will ignore the Magisterial power of the Pope for decades until one after their own heart comes up, then all you hear is Magisterium, Magisterium, Magisterium! As long as it is only the "new" Magisterium. Anything older than 5 years is outdated. The True Magisterium is eternal. It can never contradict itself. This is their problem and will be their undoing.
Fidelity to any pope is an easy one to reconcile for me. It is no different than the 4th commandment of a child's obedience to parents. A valid pope must have our obedience, ACCEPT if or when what the parent or a pope is telling us to believe or do something contrary to the truth God and his Church have handed down. If we have blind obedience to either our parents or a pope then we will be held culpable of sin when we do something contrary to the will of God knowing what has been handed down through scripture and church teachings.
Yes, those who are willing to compromise truth will follow their leaders right to the gates of hell if not repented from. Jesus said, "I am the way, the TRUTH and the life". He also said, "I am the same yesterday, today and always". Bottom line, since the Triune God is truth and he cannot change, whatever half truth a person is bringing is not of God. God does not speak in partial truths, which is where ambiguity lives, which is where Satan tricked Adam and Eve.
Before the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception was proclaimed many great saints and theologians argued against it. But once it was given as Catholic Teaching all that stopped for we knew as Catholics what the Truth was; it was what the Church Teaches. It is the same for Humane Vitae. It would have been fair for Catholic Theologians to argue against, but once it was given as Catholic Teaching it was set in stone.
You know what they will say though. It is the same argument they use for everything. They will praise Pope Paul VI and say "We are not changing what he taught, but we are coming to a deeper understanding." Somehow in their twisted minds they will try to reconcile "Never under any circumstances" to mean "Yes in some circumstances with pastoral guidance." Gotta get that pastoral guidance in there just to make it kosher
If a puppy becomes a cat that is change. If a puppy becomes a dog that is development. The Church teachings develop, they cannot change. It is clear that liberals try to make a puppy become a cat. Partial truth is still trying to make a puppy part cat and part dog, but in the end it is still opposed to truth.
It is amazing as soon as liberals get in power they become conservative to their own agenda. It is like abortion in the US, now they say it is settled law. PF can put lipstick on this pig but it still is a pig.
I am sick of hearing about francis doing this or saying that undermining the faith. What are we doing? There is no doubt in my mind there has been a coup in the vatican a slow and painful but bloodless coup. We all know the fruits of this plastic pontificate. There are many good people shouting from the roof tops we are all doing it in one way or another online in a virtual world. But the silence in the streets in the diocese in the parishes is deafening. Faithfull catholics have been pushed aside and liberal leftwing useful idiots have been given significant roles in the running of our parish churches abd beyond. We need to get organised at local national.and international level we need to let the church know we are still here and that we are not going away. We need to reclaim our parishes our diocese's our church. It does not appear that our cardinals are going to do anything and when the few good bishops do step forward its no good jusf cheering from the sidelines we need to be involved. We have our theologians we have our alternitive media but what we are lacking is foot soldiers canon fodder.. we are that canon fodder we are the nobodies the little ones the obscure the nothing the unimportant but we have been chosen by God... yes its true... We have been chosen by God, as little and as meaningless as we are in his infinite wisdom has seen greater strengh in us than in cardinals bishops priests even popes.. He has chosen the weak to shame the strong what is not to shame what is... who among us can say "i chose to be catholic" ? What in this time? in this period of the world? Who among us can deny that we would not be catholic but by the grace of God... BUT BY THE GRACE OF GOD!!! We were chosen for these times. God has put his faith in us its time we put our faith in him... i hear him calling out not in a burning bush but in the burning desire of my heart and i am willing to bet many if not all of you do too. We look around to see our generals our officers and they have been taken out.. the few remaining ones captured behind enemy lines and all they can do is get a few words out... we are on our own (except for heaven) We still need to be the body of Christ we still need to be his eyes his ears his legs his arms his voice. I hear him saying go on fight and i cry out lord i can not do this alone give me just one good man to stand with me and togther we will raise an army the likes of which the world has never seen before. We need to get organised we need to take the battle to them we have been on the ropes long enough our enemy has shown their hand abortion gender ideology the destruction of the family of christianity totalitarianism a godless global society total war against everything we hold dear. We are the last men standing the remnant who have kept the faith we need to get organised we need to come together in the real world we need to put on the full armor of God now that the day of evil has come to be able to stand our ground With the belt of truth buckled around our waists, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, with our feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel we will take up the shield of faith, with which we can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. We must stand firm along side our Lady Queen of the Angels with St Micheal the Archangel and all the Saints and march into battle against the dark powers in high places liberate our parishes our dioceses our generals our officers our vicar of christ pope benedict xvi we will restore the holy see and the world we are her offspring we are her heal she will lift us up and we will rise up and we will crush his head we will crush his offspring.
All we need to do is just follow the prescription given to us by Our Lady: Do the First Fridays and First Saturdays, wear the Scapular and Miraculous Medal, pray (especially the Rosary), make sacrifices and do penances, and grow in humility and spirituality. Without doing that there is no way we can make a difference. Obviously we need to share the Truth of the situation with anyone who will listen, but I think this is a crisis that mankind cannot fix. I think this will take a direct act from God. If God chooses to He will raise up another St. Athanasius or St. Joan. If He chooses not to and decides to let the Church decay further then there is little we can do. Don't worry Mea, He's got this
Your courage and determination inflame my heart, Mea Kulpa. I will stand with you. But our fight is not a worldly fight, determined though it be. Consider the words of Paul: 2 Cor 10: 3 For though we live in the world we are not carrying on a worldly war, 4 for the weapons of our warfare are not worldly but have divine power to destroy strongholds. 12: 9 but He said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." I will all the more gladly boast of my weaknesses, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities; for when I am weak, then I am strong. Eph 6:10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we are not contending against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore take the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having girded your loins with truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and having shod your feet with the equipment of the gospel of peace; 16 besides all these, taking the shield of faith, with which you can quench all the flaming darts of the evil one. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. 18 Pray at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints. 2 Tim 4:6 For I am already on the point of being sacrificed; the time of my departure has come. 7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 8 Henceforth there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, will award to me on that Day, and not only to me but also to all who have loved his appearing. ... 16 At my first defense no one took my part; all deserted me. May it not be charged against them! 17 But the Lord stood by me and gave me strength to proclaim the message fully, that all the Gentiles might hear it. So I was rescued from the lion's mouth. 18 The Lord will rescue me from every evil and save me for his heavenly kingdom. To him be the glory for ever and ever. Amen. By all means, look for a handful of others to stand with you. Pray together and encourage one another. Gather under Our Lady's banner and prepare for the battle is at hand. One day at a time! Be little and be strong. And remember how the Church was victorious in her beginning. (The Epistle of Mathetes to Diognetus):http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0101.htm Chapter 5 For the Christians are distinguished from other men neither by country, nor language, nor the customs which they observe. For they neither inhabit cities of their own, nor employ a peculiar form of speech, nor lead a life which is marked out by any singularity. The course of conduct which they follow has not been devised by any speculation or deliberation of inquisitive men; nor do they, like some, proclaim themselves the advocates of any merely human doctrines. But, inhabiting Greek as well as barbarian cities, according as the lot of each of them has determined, and following the customs of the natives in respect to clothing, food, and the rest of their ordinary conduct, they display to us their wonderful and confessedly striking method of life. They dwell in their own countries, but simply as sojourners. As citizens, they share in all things with others, and yet endure all things as if foreigners. Every foreign land is to them as their native country, and every land of their birth as a land of strangers. They marry, as do all [others]; they beget children; but they do not destroy their offspring. They have a common table, but not a common bed. They are in the flesh, but they do not live after the flesh. 2 Corinthians 10:3 They pass their days on earth, but they are citizens of heaven. Philippians 3:20 They obey the prescribed laws, and at the same time surpass the laws by their lives. They love all men, and are persecuted by all. They are unknown and condemned; they are put to death, and restored to life. 2 Corinthians 6:9 They are poor, yet make many rich; 2 Corinthians 6:10 they are in lack of all things, and yet abound in all; they are dishonoured, and yet in their very dishonour are glorified. They are evil spoken of, and yet are justified; they are reviled, and bless; 2 Corinthians 4:12 they are insulted, and repay the insult with honour; they do good, yet are punished as evil-doers. When punished, they rejoice as if quickened into life; they are assailed by the Jews as foreigners, and are persecuted by the Greeks; yet those who hate them are unable to assign any reason for their hatred.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/criticizing-papal-pronouncements-is-necessary-when-they-lack-support-says-f Cardinal Ratzinger: Criticizing papal remarks is sometimes ‘necessary’ Matthew Cullinan Hoffman Joseph Ratzinger Follow Matthew October 9, 2017 (LifeSiteNews.com) – The future Pope Benedict XVI warned In the early 1970s that popes might make “pronouncements” that were inconsistent with the Catholic Church’s authentic and historic doctrine, which would necessitate “criticism” of those pronouncements. The statements, which were made thirty-three years before Joseph Raztinger became a pope, were republished in 2009, four years after he became the Supreme Pontiff of the Catholic Church. “The faith is based on the objective data of Scripture and of dogma, which in dark times can also frighteningly disappear from the consciousness of the greater part of Christianity (statistically), without losing in any way, however, their obligatory and binding character,” Fr. Joseph Ratzinger noted in 1972. In such cases the pope should “go against statistics” that indicate the popularity of false teachings, “and this will have to be done as decisively as the testimony of tradition is clear,” Ratzinger wrote. “On the contrary, criticism of papal pronouncements will be possible and even necessary, to the extent that they lack support in Scripture and the Creed, that is, in the faith of the whole Church,” he added. Ratzinger held that even an “ultimate binding decision” by the pope wouldn’t be valid if there was “no clear evidence from the sources” of Catholic doctrine. “When neither the consensus of the whole Church is had, nor clear evidence from the sources is available, an ultimate binding decision is not possible. Were one formally to take place, the conditions for such an act would be lacking, and hence the question would have to be raised concerning its legitimacy,” he wrote. The passages were written as part of a work entitled “Das neue Volk Gottes” (“The New People of God”), published in 1972 and republished in an anthology of his works, “Fede, ragione, verità e amore” (Faith, reason, truth, and love”) in 2009, after Ratzinger had become pope. The words were translated into English for a recent post in the widely-read blog Rorate Caeli. The quotes have been revealed amid a flurry of accusations of impiety and disobedience hurled against the signers of the “Filial Correction” of Pope Francis, which seeks to publicly correct the pope regarding several “heresies” that the Correction accuses him of having taught in his apostolic exhortation Amoris Laetitia, regarding the nature of sin and the possibility of receiving Holy Communion while in a state of mortal sin. The Vicar General of Opus Dei, an association of the Catholic faithful with global reach and influence, has accused the signers of the Filial Correction of “attacking the pope” by correcting him publicly, a sentiment that is shared by Robert Fastiggi, a theologian and seminary professor. The chief spokesman for the signers, Joseph Shaw, has noted that private attempts to correct the pope have been met with silence, and that the Code of Canon Law speaks of a “duty” of the faithful to sometimes make their opinions known to other Catholics. Similar accusations have been made against the four cardinals who submitted five questions or “dubia” to Pope Francis in late 2016, asking him for a clarification of certain points in Amoris Laetitia.
Yes of course you are right but good works... the apostles the saints the myters they stood up against kings governments and popes they did not take a back seat. In the early church st paul said (i paraphrse) "if we are to have faith in christ only in this world we are to be pittied among all men" because the faithful in the church then understood the significance that the church would have on the world it is what drew many to it they saw the injustices the evil in the world and wanted to convert the world so strong was the desire in the early church that st paul had to warn them not to be just about this world but they showed their faith by the sheding of their own blood in immitation of their saviour not because they hid in their homes and prayed not because they had mass underground but because they shared the truth with others because they were a danger to the established order. Today we are lazy and lukewarm back then st paul warned of being just concerned with the good of this world today he would warn for if our hope in christ is only in the next life we are failing in our christian duty in this I do not know how "upto speed" you all are on these forums but you all seem well informed. It is entirely possible you are well aware of the information that i am aware of but deny its logical and spiritual conclusion maybe out of fear of loss of salvation maybe out of misplaced obedience to authority maybe out of misunderstood faith in the papacy based on christs promise maybe out of a sincere lack of grasping the severity of the information or maybe some other reason But it is clear in my mind that when presented with both the earthly information and the divine information when properly understood in connection to one another the only logical and spiritual conclusion is that francis is not...IS NOT the pope and that Benedict XVI remains the true pope...THE TRUE POPE Like i say i do not know if you are aware of the information i am aware of but people here do seem well informed
Pope Francis is the Pope. Remain faithfull to him. Stay in the boat. Defend the truth. That is what we must do.
I second that. Only God may be truly well-informed of current events. The only thing we can really trust now is His Revelation in Scripture, Tradition, the Fathers and the unchanging, unchangeable doctrines and dogmas of the Church Christ founded. Nobody on this site has remotely anything like the knowledge or authority to even begin to question the validity of the present papacy. We might not like the current incumbent and might wish his predecessor remained on the papal throne, but we are bound to accept him. Of course, this does not imply that we must obey him in anything he says or orders that is heterodox. Brian's post about those words of then Father Ratzinger are very timely. Clearly, the latter foresaw the possibility of a heterodox, even heretical pope and his words now seem prophetic. His advice doesn't seem to include the possibility of rejecting the validity of the election of such a pope.
Agreed! We have been through this many times before. Pope Francis was validly elected, unless we hear otherwise from the hierarchy. Praying for those who are fall out of boat.
So I will say it, Mario! "Thank God for Pope Paul VI's position on contraception. I wholeheartedly agree with Humanae Vitae and Veritatis Splendor." The family as taught by the Church has been under attack for a long time with contraception being a prime cause. 50 plus years of attack by Satan has left the family in a very fragile state. But then, Mario, you say "Even back then you focused on the possibility of exceptions and unless I'm mistaken you'll do so again." I don't think I was 'focusing' on exceptions. I was merely responding to posts that raised the matter of possible exceptions. I'm afraid that I'm not going to be able to say much about 'exceptions' or 'special cases'. The reason is because that is not my job, or yours Mario! It is the job of the Church and the individual's conscience. I shall accept what the Church teaches in the area of difficult cases. There will always be difficult cases in life despite the forum 'regulars' wishing they didn't exist! I think some view exceptions being a way for people to 'get away with' sinful actions. But when we face God, everything will be made clear and nothing will be hidden. There will be no 'getting away with' things when we face God.
It seems to me that one will not have to wait to face God for that which is hidden to be brought to light. It is happening now in fact. People are desperately trying to hide their true face but it is in vain. They dig their own pits and walk right into them.
