"The Dictator Pope": Mysterious New Book Looks "Behind the Mask" of Francis

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  1. AED

    AED Powers

    Another abomination of desolation in another holy place.
     
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  2. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Well I am reading away at the book the, 'Dictator Book' and is expecting to come away with simple answers or a simple narrative is in for a big surprise. For a start despite some outward appearances to the contrary Pope Francis does not appear to be either a Liberal , a Marxist or a Conservative, either in his politics or in his Church outlook. In as far as you could tie him down in political terms he was a Peronist ; Peronism being I suppose a local phenomena a kind of populist movement that reminds me of kind of Argentinian Donald Trump, really.

    Nor can the author of the book create a consistent narrative really. He points to a group of very Liberal European cardinals who landed Pope Francis the Pontiffs job, but the big question then is why these folks would land someone the job of being Pope when he was not himself a Liberal? Additionally the author points to the trouble the then Cardinal Bergoglio had with the local clergy and as Provincial with his Jesuit confreres. But in fact Fr Bergoglio was very,very successful as Jesuit Provincial , superbly so.

    Additionally as Cardinal he did fight with the husband and wife team of the Kishners as Presidents but he seems to have done so upholding Catholic Teaching.

    The author of the book tries to construct a narrative where Pope Francis is something of a chamelon , kind of all things to all men. But I don't know , it seems far fetched.

    But one thing is for sure he is a very ,very deep and complex character. Very,very deep indeed. How strange that he is not a Liberal or a Marxist. :love:

    It shows we have to be careful not to put people in boxes. He reminds me of Peron or of Donald Trump in a strange, errie kinda way, he goes his own way. He is, well for the want of a better word, notional. He is a guy who takes notions.

     
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  3. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Padraig, Thank you for taking the time to do this. Everyone here thinks highly of your opinion, so this is quite a blessing to all of us here.
     
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  4. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    For what it's worth Gracia I think you are right, it might be best for you to avoid it if you feel as you do right now. It's not going anywhere so if you feel the need to read it in the future you can. I felt as Padraig did, I was going to ignore it since I felt it was uncharitable, but when I heard what they said on EWTN I thought perhaps I will read it one day.

    I think in normal times a book like that is best left alone, but we do not live in normal times. Each of us must do whatever we can to understand the current crisis in the Church. And for good or ill Pope Francis is at the center of this storm. I still haven't decided if I will read it or not yet, but I do not feel as strongly that it is something to be avoided.
     
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  5. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    Napoleon Bonaparte springs to mind. :eek::(:eek::cautious::eek:

    Then again, Napoleon was a military man.
     
  6. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I read a bio one time about a very ,very famous Hollywood singer . The author I think spent ten years writing it, it was really huge it would kill you if someone dropped it on your head it was so heavy. :) But I recall what the author said about his years of research. He said that he had interviewed personally everyone who had ever known the singer since childhood and no one had a good thing to say about the guy. It was clear that this gentleman was perfectly possessed and in fact there were rumours in Hollywood that both himself and a group around him were Satanists.

    I read another bio about Mao Tse Tung. Another guy who was totally evil, another perfectly possessed. Someone who never as far as I could see did anything, one single thing his whole life that was not about himself. I think the very worse thing about Mao Tse Tung was that I don't believe he was ever really a Communist. He just used it to get were he was going. How evil was that?

    There was very good Christian lady in work one time who told me about her grandmother who also seems to be totally. totally evil . So evil that she acted against her own children and grandchildren. A real hate the world , she loved nothing but herself.

    From time to time you meet such people. People who make your hair stand on end.

    I am afraid that my strong impression of Pope Francis is that he is such a one. I suspect that is why folks find him so hard to understand. Because he exists in a place totally outside the normal framework. Because he is totally evil and perfectly possessed by the evil one.

    That is why I wrote that I don' t believe he is a Liberal or Marxist or whatever. I don't believe he believes in anything much but himself. In as much he is any policy, agenda or direction it will be directed by the evil one .

    Perfect possession is not altogether an uncommon phenomena but what it seems to me is extraordinary is the demon(s) which are in occupation, perfect occupation of him are in a reigning Pontiff. I can only suppose such an occupying devil must be of the very highest hierarchy of hell , possibly Lucifer himself. I don't think a lower demon could survive inside him given the circumstances. It would be too much for them.

    What does this mean for the Church? To have such a person at its head? You know I don't know. I was always afraid that this might be the case.

    I will have to go away and revisit Catholic prophecy and pray, pray, pray especially to Our Lady to find out what all this means.

    I suspected that this might be the case. Now I know. You know I am sure I am not the only one who has worked this all out. I am sure a number of Cardinals and Bishops will have worked this out for themselves. How could they not?
    Have a look at this recent Gay themed Concert from the Cathedral in Vienna hosted by Cardinal Schonborn and tell me you can't feel the devil present.

     
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  7. padraig

    padraig Powers

    To understand what perfect possession might mean in the case of the Holy Father; Malachy Martin Describes it here:

     
  8. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    :cry::cry::cry:

    Well, I still think highly of your opinion but I wonder why would Pope Benedict refuse Pope Francis' resignation when he was a cardinal?

    I also think about the Holy Spirit, maybe the Pope was not canonically elected and therefore, well...
     
  9. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    If he was canonically elected, we will have to wait until Peter turns back. If and when that happens, he can strengthen his brothers.
     
  10. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    I should be clear that I don't meant that we should not accept Pope Francis as the Pope, he is the Pope unless it is proven that he is not but maybe at some future date this will occur. That is what I mean, sorry about that. We have been through all of this already and we don't need to go around in circles when our time is better spent praying as we have been instructed to do by Our Lady. I apologize for bringing it up.
     
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  11. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    The appalling mayhem depicted in the Vatican Nativity scene shocked me. To think someone would show such depravity in that way, and create a scene that is nothing short of scandalous for innocent children to be exposed to. Can you imagine Saint Joseph asking Blessed Mother to make do with the down and outs of Bethlehem on the first Christmas. For certain there would have been homeless people in that time as well. Someone has taken leave of their senses in the Vatican.
     
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  12. padraig

    padraig Powers

    We must accept him as the Pope. It is not our place as laypeople to question. It is up to the Cardinals and Bishops to act as they want.

    There is an errie circumstance in Pope Francis childhood. He never talks about his parents, but the relation was very very strained and he was farmed out to some kind of nanny at a very young age. His relations with her were very strained too and when she came to him later when he was Archbishop he chased her in a very nasty way with very angry words. He seems ot have fought with just about everyone he ever met. He is a very,very nasty piece of work indeed. There is no two ways about it. A bully too.

    In either case I suspect some kind of Satanic Dedication when he was very young. Nor do I think he became Pope through some kind of accident. He was put there. Planned a long, long time ago by very,very ,very clever people.
     
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  13. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    I didn't misunderstand you. We have to accept that he is the valid Pope because we don't have the authority to decide otherwise. The Holy Spirit guides everyone willing to follow, and the Holy Spirit with protect the Church as Jesus promised. Jesus prayed that Peter's faith would not fail and instructed Peter to strengthen his brethren when he turned back. If the first Peter's faith could fail, so could the faith of his successors. There have been examples of this in the history of the Church but God always gets the Church back on track.
     
  14. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    I wanted to clarify that I believe that Pope Francis is the Pope, that is all, unless those in authority decide otherwise some time in the future.
     
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  15. AED

    AED Powers

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    I heard him speak of this many many years ago when he was still alive. He said it was the one thing that put a chill in his soul—someone who by choice was completely beyond the mercy of Christ. He said he had met a few over the course of years and it never ceased to horrify him. If what you say is true —and I am not sure I can allow myself to even “go there” —then the abomination of desolation has come. You said you suspected it but now you know. Is this discernment in your spirit or have you been told by Our Lady? It is a serious and sober evaluation to make and I don’t mind saying I am deeply troubled by it. If it is true then there can be no question of a valid papacy. What skullduggery might have been worked on Pope Benedict? The mind reels!
     
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  16. maryrose

    maryrose Powers

    utterly shocking. I feel very dispirited. Where will it all
    end
     
  17. padraig

    padraig Powers

    It is up to the Cardinals and Bishops.

    But I think the only thing that can save us is the Direct Intervention of God. I have thought this for quite some time
     
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  18. AED

    AED Powers

    Yes you are right. I have been saying for a long time “only God can fix this” but I didn’t know dreadful the “this” could be.
     
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  19. padraig

    padraig Powers

    To paraphrase.

    The only way we're going to get the Vatican back is out of their cold, dead, hands.
     
  20. BrigidK

    BrigidK Guest

    This is all so alarming.

    Let us not forget that our almighty God is in charge, he has already won! Pray, pray, pray for His protection for us and all our loved ones while we go through these terrible times. Oh what a time to live through, but Jesus I trust in you!
     
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