Breaking! Pope just declares interpertation...

The cow is suffering. Poor cow.[/QUOTE]

Cows can do the strangest things. I don't know how she managed to get up there but I wonder how the farmer got her down?

 

Example: When we read below-mentioned article we see that Pope Francis said more than "A gay person who is seeking God..( etc), who am I to judge
him ?" But those who desperately are trying to search after an anti-Pope, they only take the second part of the sentence he sais. However, Pope Francis said much more:

"It is important to distinguish between a person who is gay and someone who makes a gay lobby. A gay lobby isn’t good.”

“A gay person who is seeking God, who is of goodwill — well, who am I to judge him?” the Pope said. “The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this very well. It says one must not marginalize these persons; they must be integrated into society. The problem isn’t this (homosexual) orientation — we must be like brothers and sisters. The problem is something else — the problem is lobbying either for this orientation or a political lobby or a Masonic lobby.”

In the aftermath of the in-flight presser, The Huffington Post raved, “Breakthrough: Pope Okay With Gays.” The Pope, indeed the Church, has always been “okay” with all sinners (just check out the membership). That does not mean that the Church condones the actions of all her members, straight or gay.

Despite the media reports, the Pope is in no way adjusting Church teaching. He is merely quoting the Catechism and, in his laid-back manner, affirming the long-held teaching of the Catholic Church. Having read several transcripts of his comments in context, I think the Pope is saying that once a gay person repents and “is seeking God,” presumably in chastity, he or she is not to be judged or marginalized. How this could be misconstrued as an innovation or a “breakthrough” is bewildering, though it is a tonal shift, to be sure.

Source: http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/the-messy-alluring-grace-of-pope-francis​

And then this: we all know that people today are TALKING more and more in Church before participating at the Holy Mess. This is becoming really irritating. This is a mentality that goes direction: changing Holy Mess into a routine, not into the Presence of God. But what does our "modern" Pope say about this ? You probably all read it but nobody desires to mention this FANTASTIC thought on behalf of the Pope. His reflection does not make me think of an Anti-Pope, a Modern Pope, somebody who is introducing the Anti-Christ mentality or a Shisme into the Church. In the contrary, he makes me think of a person who is saying the HOLY Truth :

"Mass is a time of silence and prayer, not idle chitchat", pope says

At church, Catholics should spend their time in silence before Mass, preparing "to meet with Jesus" instead of engaging in "chitchat," the pope said Nov. 15 during his weekly general audience.

"Silence is so important," he said. "Remember what I told you last time: we are not going to a show. Silence prepares us and accompanies us."

The pope continued his new series of audience talks on the Mass, reflecting on the Eucharist as a form of prayer that is "the highest, the most sublime and, at the same time, the most concrete" way of encountering God's love.

"This is the greatest grace: to experience that the Eucharist is the privileged moment to be with Jesus and, through him, with God and with our brothers and sisters," the pope said.

In the Gospels, he continued, Jesus teaches his disciples that the first thing needed to pray "is to know how to say 'father' " and to trust in God with the humility of a child.

Christians also must allow themselves to be "surprised by the living encounter with the Lord," he said, and not simply "talk to God like a parrot," repeating the words of prayers without thinking.

"The encounter with God is a living encounter," the pope said departing from his prepared remarks. "It is not an encounter of a museum, it is a living encounter. And we go to Mass, not a museum! We go to a living encounter with the Lord."

Pope Francis said the Mass is also a gift and a consolation where Christians discover that God's greatest surprise is that he "loves us even in our weakness."

"The Lord encounters our frailty," the pope said. "This is the environment of the Eucharist. This is prayer."

Source: http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/the-messy-alluring-grace-of-pope-francis
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Interpreting consistenly someone words in a wrong way, can be considered as a sinn.

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I know that they are waiting for this. But instead of thinking wrongly, I prefer not to judge about the reason why the Pope is not replying because I am not God and none of us know what REALLY happens in the Vatican. We will have to WAIT and see.

 

Well Elisa since they have already waited 20 months and two of the Cardinals have already died waiting. Poor Cardinal Caffera died in September and Cardinal Meisner died waiting in July.

Of the remaining two Cardinals who are still alive and still waiting Cardinal Burke is no spring chicken at 69, and Cardinal Brandmuller is and even less sprightly 88 years old.

I am curious Elisa how long do you expect and 88 year sold Cardinal to wait? At what point would you say to yourself,

'This is too long, we are not going to get and answer?

Twenty months? Two years? Twenty years?

 

Another remark: How many years do we already wait for the Warning of Garabandal ? Are you going to send this photo to God too ?
If God is in control of EVERYTHING (as the Bible tells us), we should also consider that He is in control of the reply or no-reply from the Pope.

 

Yes I am sure the Holy Father has done and said many good things. I don't suppose anyone who ever lived has not said or done some good things in their life. But that is , very sadly, not quite the point.

In fairness to Martin Luther, too, they say he had a great Devotion to Our Blessed Lady.

Also in fairness to Adolph Hitler he had a great love for dogs.

But, as far as they too are concerned, these things are not to the central point of what they were about either.

 

Padraig, your are now comparing the Pope with Hitler ...
And you cannot compare the Pope with Martin Luther either: The latter did not believe in the Holy Eucharist, but the Pope does.

 

What are they living for ? To receive a reply from the Pope or to live a holy life and receive eternal life by following the Will of God, i.e. by being patient ?

 

Cows can do the strangest things. I don't know how she managed to get up there but I wonder how the farmer got her down?[/QUOTE]
As to start with, I would put something under her first legs and then put them higher and higher and closer and closer to the hedge.

 

Rejection of just one teaching in the area of faith and morals merits everlasting hell. So many do not understand this. Just one mortal sin unconfessed before judgement merits eternal damnation. The pope has a duty with his Petrine ministry to teach the fullness of the unchanging truths and when he does not, he has the duty to express explicitly, using scripture and the constant sacred traditions of the faith to justify his change. His causing great confusion and scandal to faith and morals for over 20 months is enough to "judge a tree by its fruits" as our Lord taught and expects us to do.

 

You say that one mortal sin unconfessed before judgement merits eternal damnation. So you would condamn, whatever may be the circumstances and without any mercy.... Look how God acted towards one of those persons who committed one of those mortal sins:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=19&v=4aaQfrZ7NzM
She was forgiven and totally healed in her body (her body was completely destroyed by cancer and she was dead for several days but God healed her entirely and forgave her - this video is a part of her testimony but I read the entire testimony in Dutch).
Even if there is confusion right now (as predicted it would be), I will not judge, nor condemn, because I am not God and do not have sufficient information about what is going on behind the scenes in the Vatican and why the Pope is acting like that. Be prudent Fatima, be prudent ... for we do not know....
We can only think "this is wrong", but never should we condemn because this is a right that only belongs to God.

 

I used Hitler and Blondie his dog as an extreme example to make my point.

As a general point it is fair. Good people can do bad things and bad people good things.

The fact that a bad person does something good does not make everything else bad.

The fact that a good person does something bad does not make everything else he did bad.

Of course the Pope has done and said some good thing. But that is not quite the point. The fact that Hitler was very kind to Blondie is beside the point too.

 

If my dentist kept me waiting for twenty months for an answer I would have cause to complain. I would take it after 20 months waiting I was not going to get my teeth done.

 

I don't know where you find these photos, Padraig, but this skeleton one is fantastic.

As for the delay in response to the dubia. Let's face it, there is not going to be a response from Francis and there was never going to be a response. The dubia was effectively a challenge to the authority of the Pope. There are plenty of Cardinals that can answer the questions if the questioners are really looking for answers.

 

Perhaps the Pope is not replying because he knows this would lead to endless discussions as we are doing right now. But if you wish to have an answer, why don't YOU write a letter to the Pope. I am sure he will answer because he likes the humbles ones.

 

Does this mean you are not going to answer my questions above?

 

SgCatholic, you wrote: "How can that be? Are you saying that the Church has always taught that the divorced and remarried may receive Holy Communion even when they continue living as husband and wife, with no firm purpose of amendment?"
The Pope said : IN SOME INSTANCES so not always but only in certain circomstances.
Did you read that SgCatholic ?

 

In my own horrible, spoken theological blunders, I have realized that clarity, care, and Truth over amiability is so, so vital. If I blurt out to a lesbian "God bless you!" as I did yesterday to a friend of the family, what might she take that to mean? God blesses your sin? God blesses parts of your life, but not others? God does wonderful things in your life? What we say and mean are so, so vital, especially for the Holy Father. He has such a great weight, ministry, and eminence. He seems to be heading straight into the heresy of Lutheranism, which is awful, and sad. It is so important for all of us to be clear, so as not to approve or appear to approve sin. Please pray for the Holy Father, for the Catholic Church, and for me, a huge sinner. I need help, too.

 

I don't condemn anyone, that is to God alone. Mercy comes before God's particular judgement when a person dies. Mercy does not come after judgement to heaven or hell, so it is to late after one dies to receive God's mercy. Scripture and Church teachings clearly reveal after death comes judgement. "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment:" [Hebrews 9:27]. Perhaps this thinking that God's mercy will cover all our unconfessed mortal sins against him after we die, as if we cannot know his absolute truths in this life, is the reason so many are living and teaching contrary to the unchanging truths of God (a form of agnosticism). They assume God's mercy will be executed after judgement, but this is when his justice is served. Sanctifying grace is necessary on ones soul at death in order to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Modern Catholic Dictionary www.therealpresence.org
by Fr. John A. Hardon, S.J.
MORTAL SIN. An actual sin that destroys sanctifying grace and causes the supernatural death of the soul. Mortal sin is a turning away from God because of a seriously inordinate adherence to creatures that causes grave injury to a person's rational nature and to the social order, and deprives the sinner of a right to heaven. The terms mortal, deadly, grave, and serious applied to sin are synonyms, each with a slightly different implication. Mortal and deadly focus on the effects in the sinner, namely deprivation of the state of friendship with God; grave and serious refer to the importance of the matter in which a person offends God. But the Church never distinguishes among these terms as though they represented different kinds of sins. There is only one recognized correlative to mortal sin, and that is venial sin, which offends against God but does not cause the loss of one's state of grace. (Etym. Latin mors, death.)

 

Hi can I wade in with my humble opinion, I am not as well read and intelligent as most of you
But as the mother of a son I suspect is gay who I have seen going through a very dark period of his life.He was completely disconnected from me ,he was as I later discovered close to suicide. He was completely alone would not turn to any member of his family .God gave him the strength to get through that dreadful time,he still hasnt' said hes gay its a suspicion myself and his sister shares.
My point is he didn't choose to be gay it'is something totally against his faith, his belief. Does anyone have the right to judge him too turn him away from receiving the Holy Communion. As I understand it,quite possibly wrong,pope Francis is showing understanding and not judging people for their sexual orientation but giving them the choice to receive our Lord by communion