Trump Transition/Post-2016 election

Discussion in 'The Spirit of the USA' started by Harper, Dec 7, 2016.

  1. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    I agree. It will take America being nuked or hit very very hard for the Church militant to come out of it's slumber and docility.

    China has cracked down on Christians and other faiths since last year especially hard. They will be and are even now the sprouting seedlings of the Faith.
     
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  2. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    The West is the world's largest promoter of abortion, sodomy, euthanasia, pornography, unjust wars for Freemason interests, and a host of other evils in the name of "democracy." We do not have the moral high ground, at least as far as our ruling class is concerned. Our ruling class has wholeheartedly embraced Communism - which is nothing more than atheism, materialism, hedonism and militarism put into political force. Fatima and Akita warned of Chastisment. Saint Jacinta warned that war is a punishment for sin. My point was not to excuse the behavior of the tinpot dictator in North Korea. But lets not pretend that we have clean hands. Let's not pretend that God is going to fight on our side when our land is dripping with the blood of the innocents and with sins that cry to Heaven for Vengeance.
     
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  3. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    A very good point Richard, we most certainly do not have clean hands. I remember reading that when the Civil War began the whole nation mourned. It was asked openly in the news papers.. What have we done to offend and anger God to bring this war upon ourselves? Now it seems we are in a constant state of war.
     
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  4. Byron

    Byron Powers

    Totally agree Richard. But the time has come. Will we endure the wrath from China? Hoping for the Warning to come soon before the escalation. It's inevitable that China is pushing for this. They see us weak, thanks to the last 60 years of leftist foreign policy. We never wiped out communism completely. We used it to our advantage. 90 miles south of us there was a country that was loyal to the U.S. in every way. But we turned our backs to them. If in our own hemisphere we abandon our neighbors, why would not a North Korea try to humiliate us with our own hypocrisy? When you play with the devil, you get burned. I pray God has mercy on all of us. I'm praying he is giving us another chance with Trump.
     
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  5. Byron

    Byron Powers

    I'm also praying that we invent that device Maria esperanza visualized that could neutralize radiation. That would be a miracle. Maybe that's what's holding us back. A better technological defense system may be what we are building.
     
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  6. Mario

    Mario Powers

    Richard,

    It was good for you to point out cruel excesses of our own nation. I recall our senseless WWII fire-bombing of Dresden which killed tens of thousands of civilian lives. We must also remember the blood-thirsty role of the Evil One when weighing the consequences of geo-political infighting. I wish things were less complicated. Consider the advance of godless communism in just 35 years, from 1917-1952, which swallowed up Russia, China, and their satellite puppet states. This was a frightening development that also resulted in the positive response of the Blue Army supported by the likes of Bishop Fulton Sheen. And remember the Lord's protection over the lives of Hiroshima's Jesuits who faithfully lived the message of Our Lady of Fatima. As children of Mary, we possess the most powerful of weapons!

    Lord have mercy on the world during this current crisis.

    Safe in the Refuge of the Immaculate Heart!
     
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  7. Mario

    Mario Powers

    I have to continue my rant because sometimes I undervalue the saving power of prayer. For instance, after WWII Austria came under the grip of the USSR:

    http://catholicgo.org/miracles-of-the-rosary-the-rosary-frees-austria-from-communist-rule-in-1955/

    For three years, Catholic Austria went under the tyrannical rule of communist Russia after World War II. A Franciscan priest named Father Petrus remembered the story of how Christians in the sixteenth century had defeated the Turks at the Battle of Lepanto through the rosary, despite being greatly outnumbered. Father Petrus launched a rosary crusade and 70,000 people pledged to say the rosary daily for the intention of Austria becoming free from Russian rule. Although Austria was valuable to the Soviets because of its strategic location and rich resources, on May 13, 1955, the anniversary of the first apparition of Our Lady at Fatima, the atheistic Russian regime, in a completely unprecedented move, signed the agreement to leave Austria. Not one person was killed, and not even one shot was fired. Today, historians and Military strategists still cannot explain how or why the Russians pulled out of Austria.

    Those devoted to the rosary of Our Holy Mother know exactly the reason.

    Now consider the events following 9/11. Churches were filled for a period all to brief. Over the clear warnings of Pope John Paul II, Bush ordered, with the support of other nations, an offensive against the bed of terrorism in the Middle East, particularly Iraq and Afghanistan. Bush talked of bringing democracy to that part of the world. I initially was swept along with such talk, fearful of the mass weapons of destruction supposedly held by Saddam Hussein. It was all for naught. There were found no WMDs. Hundreds of thousands have perished. Sixteen years later, the Taliban carry wait in Afghanistan and we still have troops stationed there. It is questionable if the US-backed leadership would remain in power if we leave. Iraq is somewhat stable after key victories over ISIS, but the government there has positive relations with our enemy, Iran. And what can I say about the sad situation in Syria! Our offensive to destroy terrorism and bring stability to the Middle East has been an utter failure.


    Now we hear the same cry of alarm over North Korea's WMDs. It seems so real and true. Even if it is, will armed conflict resolve it? I sincerely doubt it. No, let us remember we are children of Mary. We have been chosen for these times. The true battle is global and our prayers must be focused, not on the USA, but for the restoration of the Church and for the conversion of billions to the Lordship of Jesus Christ. Let we Americans not repeat the same pattern that led to the debacle in the Middle East.

    Safe in the Refuge of Our Lady of the Rosary!

     
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  8. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    I could not agree more Mario. It is our prayers and devotion to the Blessed heart of Our Holy Mother and Lord which are needed. I too was swept up after the events of 9/11. :(

    Our Lady of Fatima provides the perfect example with the events which transpired ending communism, stopping the attack on the US after its fall, as well as saving the life of Pope John Paul II of how much power these simple actions on our part have.
     
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  9. THE Memo!

    Rich Higgins should have been given a medal (instead of being pushed out by McMaster) for putting forward the truth of the reality of this sick culture that is coming against Trump in all of its force. That took a lot of courage. The "big brave boys" can't face the truth so they shoot the messenger.

    Example:

    It provides a sweeping, if at times conspiratorial, view of what it describes as a multi-pronged attack on the Trump White House.

    Trump is being attacked, the memo says, because he represents “an existential threat to cultural Marxist memes that dominate the prevailing cultural narrative.” Those threatened by Trump include “‘deep state’ actors, globalists, bankers, Islamists, and establishment Republicans.”

    “The administration has been maneuvered into a constant back-pedal by relentless political warfare attacks structured to force him to assume a reactive posture that assures inadequate responses,” it reads. “The president can either drive or be driven by events; it’s time for him to drive them.”


    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...amous-memo-caused-mcmaster-purge-nsc-members/
     
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  10. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Wow that nails it Mario, he is a smart guy and i doubt that he will ever be one to be on his heels.
     
  11. Jarg

    Jarg Archangels

    The problem is you can't just drop the H bomb in north korea and wipe out hundreds of thousands of souls - that is what the US did in Hiroshima and Nagasaki - it is an absolutely diabolical solution. A morally acceptable solution is very very complicated at this moment, and Trumps rhetoric in my opinion is suicidal, he is playing with fire and millions of lives - I know he thinks his way is the best way because nothing else has worked in the past, but it is not morally acceptable - God always provides another way, no matter how difficult or narrow it may seem.
     
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  12. Byron

    Byron Powers

    I pray you are right about God giving us another way and hopefully chance. But don't forget behind diplomacy is strength. And I believe Trump is showing them that side, but at the same time giving out his hand of reason towards China. China must step up.
     
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  13. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    :cry:Today on the radio I heard that we should buy some postassium iodide pills and take them in the event of nuclear war. They block the radiation in our thyroids, I think. Also heard not to look at the blast, and to change our clothing right away, and I guess bag up the clothing we removed.
    :(
     
  14. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Keep in mind that I live within a 30-minute ride to Joint Base Andrews and DC. Also live 30 minutes north of a nuclear power plant. I ordered a couple of bottle of potassium iodide today. Giving one to my son.
    I hope I never have to take them.
     
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  15. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Me too HH. We live right in the middle of JBLM, Bangor Nuclear sub base, the Bremerton Shipyards, and Boeing. I too have a supply of PI pills and have for many years precisely because of this. It would be a good idea to have enough plastic and duct tape handy to seal windows and doors as well as staple foods and water. The most serious radiation levels of a nuclear war will have passed in two weeks time.
     
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  16. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Pretty interesting article on 1P5 today about the Obama admin and the dems.

    https://onepeterfive.com/obama-benedict-abdication/

    Democrat Fingers in the Vatican Pie: Did Obama Force Benedict’s Abdication?

    On May 17, I published an article in the Italian newspaper La Verità about pope Benedict’s abdication. A few days before, in a renowned Italian geopolitical magazine called Limes, Professor Germano Dottori had argued that Joseph Ratzinger’s 2013 abdication, and the former Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi’s resignation in 2011, after a financial storm sold to public opinion as a “public debt” crisis, were the result of pressures on the part of Obama administration in the United States.

    According to Dottori, Obama was eager to dethrone Benedict XVI for two reasons. On the one hand, his presidency was close to fundamentalist Islam (de facto fostered by regime change in Libya and Egypt and civil war in Syria, provoked by U.S. former secretary of state Hillary Clinton’s foreign policy design), whereas Ratzinger, ever since his famous Regensburg lecture, had been identified internationally as a strong opponent of Islamism. On the other hand, Obama was worried about the Church’s reconciliatory efforts toward Moscow’s Orthodox patriarch, within the scope – Dottori wrote – “of a geopolitical project aimed at European-Russian integration, actively supported by Germany and Italy.”

    The Obama administration may have resorted to two instruments: fostering scandals within the Church and the Italian government and threatening to drain away Italian and Vatican financial resources. Italy was at risk of being excluded from international financial markets. The menace against the Vatican was to bar the IOR (Istituto per le Opere di Religione, the Vatican bank) from the SWIFT (Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication) network. Taking as an excuse the fact that the IOR did not abide by international rules of transparency, Deutsche Bank (which runs point-of-sale payment systems in the Vatican and was suspected by Bankitalia of hosting an IOR account where all money earned within the Vatican converged) had been induced to block all ATMs in Vatican City, a service curiously reactivated, Dottori noticed, right after Pope Benedict’s abdication.

    With regard to this story, it is useful to spend a few more words on an important figure: former president of the IOR Ettore Gotti Tedeschi. Chosen by Pope Benedict in 2009 to reform the IOR and bring it back to international standards of transparency, in 2010, Tedeschi was the subject of a money-laundering investigation.

    Notice how suspicious the events look: two years after the beginning of the inquiry, in 2012, Tedeschi was fired from his office; in 2014, after Pope Benedict’s resignation, Rome’s judge dismissed the inquiry and all allegations against Tedeschi; in 2015, in an interview with The Catholic Herald, Tedeschi declared that he had been kicked out by the IOR’s board of directors because of his intention to make radical reforms. And in a 2012 interview released to the Italian newspaper Il Fatto Quotidiano, Tedeschi had already revealed that in those months, he was so scared of being assassinated that he had written down a secret report on the IOR. (According to my sources, he had written his will as well.) The secret report had been entrusted to two of Tedeschi’s close friends as a sort of insurance policy on his own life. Tedeschi stated that he had discovered “something scary” and had engaged a struggle against the Vatican’s secretary of state, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, who was resolutely opposing any disclosure of the IOR’s secret archives to Italian authorities.

    If you connect Tedeschi’s story to Dottori’s claim regarding financial blackmail enacted against the Vatican Bank in order to pressure Pope Benedict, you might suspect that Tedeschi was well aware that obscure forces, from within and without the Vatican, were swarming, and that his opposition to those influences was probably the cause of his misfortunes.

    Dottori’s considerations should be taken with a grain of salt. For instance, his interpretation of Berlusconi’s government crisis in 2011 is slightly in contrast with the prevailing reading, which assigns responsibility to German chancellor Angela Merkel and French former president Nicolas Sarkozy. Moreover, it has to be noticed that the Obama administration’s main concern was unlikely to be Ratzinger’s ideological opposition to radical Islam. It is probably more useful to focus on the Russian question.

    On the one hand, the perspective of a tighter political integration between Europe and Russia, supported by the Catholic Church for the sake of the construction of a sort of religious “conservative front,” was a cause of anxiety for Obama and Clinton. The role of the pope could be that of a trait d’union (literally, a hyphen) between Angela Merkel and Vladimir Putin – as a German, and as a moral leader, Benedict XVI could mediate to ease friction between two politicians joined by a love-hate relationship, but whose intentions, beyond all, were to deepen the ties between their countries. That the United States backed Ukraine’s revolt against the pro-Russian government there and supported civil war in Donbas region (the Obama administration’s involvement was denounced by Foreign Affairs in 2014), and that they sabotaged the project for the South Stream pipeline (with the help of Senator John McCain, who literally threatened Bulgaria’s prime minister and obtained his withdrawal from the project), is proof that Democrats were willing to do anything they could to prevent a closer political and economic partnership between Europe and Russia. In this sense, Berlusconi, Putin’s (and Libyan dictator Gaddafi’s) personal friend, was a troublesome individual.

    On the other hand, the Obama administration was likely to be frightened by Pope Benedict’s conservative stance on the liturgy, morals, and politics. A conservative pope, in a moment when the Church’s aid was no more required to fight communism in the Soviet Union – and Russia was becoming a conservative nation – could mean an undesired, and politically dangerous, rightist breakthrough for American Catholics and an unseen convergence between religious conservatives in the U.S. and Russia.

    That Obama’s fear was well informed is apparent, since Donald Trump won the Catholic vote in the 2016 election in spite of a progressive pope who almost openly endorsed Hillary Clinton, and despite Catholics’ leftward turn in the two previous elections of 2008 and 2012.

    In this light, one may also interpret the recent article in La Civiltà Cattolica (a journal whose content has to be supervised by the papacy for publication) that attacked the allegiance between Catholics and Evangelicals in the United States. The message from the Vatican is clear: according to Pope Francis, good American Catholics should vote for Democrats again. Why is the new papacy so worried that conservative Catholics and Protestants might join forces in politics when it favors “inter-religious dialogue” whenever it amounts to unconditional veneration of Lutheranism?

    That the Catholic vote was at stake in the Obama administration’s conspiracy against Benedict XVI is also proved by WikiLeaks’ revelations on Hillary Clinton’s right-hand man, John Podesta. His leaked emails showed that he was planning to foster a “Catholic spring,” a revolution intended to supplant conservative sections of the Church and make progressives take over.

    Now, try to read against this background the new papacy’s stances on moral and political issues. The Church is almost silent on abortion, the redefinition of marriage, and euthanasia. And it is astonishing that on the question of migrants, Pope Francis is embracing George Soros’s agenda. Do not forget that Soros is one of Clinton’s most generous financiers, with a $11-million donation for her electoral campaign and a $6-million donation from the Soros Foundation to the Clinton Foundation. Soros came up nearly 60 times in John Podesta’s leaked emails. One may admit that such a triangulation among a leftist presidential candidate, a liberal billionaire accused of several political conspiracies in different nations, undesired by the government of his country, and by Israel as well in spite of his Jewish birth, and the Catholic Church’s pope is, to put it lightly, bizarre.

    Now, even if Italian journalist Sandro Magister, on August 3, published for L’Espresso an article where he declares that in fact, Pope Francis is still pursuing friendly relations with Russian Orthodoxy – thereby upsetting Catholics in Poland and Ukraine, who would rather look to NATO countries, especially now that the U.S. is governed by Trump – there seems to be a substantial difference between the Russian policies of Popes Benedict and Francis. The former could at least have been a moral mediator between Europe and Russia for political and economic integration, and he was keen to converge with Russian conservatives as regards religion in society and other moral priorities. Francis, for his part, seems to be moved by concerns for the condition of Christians in Syria, where only Russia has a clear long-term strategy. But apart from formal appreciation from liberal anti-Trump leaders like Angela Merkel and Justin Trudeau, or complete outsiders like Bolivia’s President Evo Morales, Pope Francis is internationally isolated, especially after his ill advised support of Hillary Clinton.
     
  17. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Contd..

    Other commentators have thrown shadows over the Church’s ambiguous connections with American Democrats. On July 4, Piero Laporta published in La Verità an article about Libero Milone, a 67-year-old manager who had been appointed by pope Francis as supervisor of the Vatican’s finances in 2015. His mandate was supposed to last for five years, but in June 2017, he decided to resign after complaining of having his office violated and his computer hacked. However, the true story behind this unexpected resignation might be different. According to Laporta, Milone was nosing around in the ambiguous maneuvers alleged to have brought about an approximately $1-million donation to Hillary Clinton’s electoral campaign, taken from Peter’s Pence. Rumors about it were already circulating in February 2016, when Laporta gathered leaks by a secret source, ironically called “Pretino” (“Little Priest”), who declared that the Vatican was providing Clinton with financial aid but that Trump would win the election thanks to an FBI investigation against Clinton. According to Laporta, it is not by chance that at the same time as Milone resigned, Cardinal George Pell was being investigated on allegations of sexual abuse for events that had occurred forty years ago. Someone was trying to divert attention from the Peter’s Pence story, and at the same time was indirectly reassuring all subjects potentially involved in the scandal that silence would be maintained.

    Now, while Laporta claims to be “90% sure” of this report, it is much harder to ascertain whether, or to what degree, Pope Francis was aware of a financial and political operation that, nonetheless, was likely to have been buttressed by the Holy See’s Secretariat of State, and to have required the American Apostolic Nunciature’s mediation. Laporta hypothesizes that during his visit to Rome, in June 2017, President Donald Trump might have had an animated discussion with Pope Francis, as he asked for elucidations on the Church’s aid to Clinton. According to him, the pope’s waxen and scrawny expression in the photographs taken next to the American president was due precisely to their quarrel and to Francis’s embarrassment.

    Elucidations are precisely what we need. In the spirit of the letteraddressed by The Remnant to Donald Trump, American Catholics should ask their new president to investigate the Obama administration’s involvement in the events that led to Pope Benedict’s abdication. Clarifications would be welcome also on the ambiguous maneuvers between the Holy See and Hillary Clinton during the 2016 campaign. These seem to be much more urgent questions than Russophobic hysteria over Trump’s alleged plot with Vladimir Putin.

    Anyway, in this troubled time, we should also be confident that the Church has a certain strength its enemies lack: it is bound to survive in spite of herself.
     
  18. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers


    Perhaps Pope Francis is prisoner to the very same wolves that Benedict warned about.
     
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  19. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    He may very well be, it is a very good reason to continue to devote prayers for him every day.
     
  20. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Im sure we have all seen the recent headlines regarding military options in Venezuela also being plastered across the news. It is a topic which should be a huge flashing red sign in light of the Mystic Maria Esperanza and her message that God's justice will begin there. Even more so than NK IMO.

    China has had a heavy influence in Venezuela since the turn of the millennium. Investing over 60 billion in loans to the nation. Loans which have been mismanaged by their government and the people of the nation of Venezuela have fallen deeper and deeper into despair. Now, because the price of oil is so low Venezuela has a hard time even repaying it's loans to China. This of course is just fine with China who needs oil and as much of it as they can get.

    Venezuela has also aligned itself politically with China and the CCP and has recently voted to change its constitution to give more power to it's current dictator. The opposition leaders who oppose this were rounded up in the dead of night last week.

    I am going to go out on a limb and say that President Trumps message regarding fire and fury was not even meant for North Korea but was a message to the Chinese Communist Party. The real threat to the US.
     

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