The Vatican Has Fallen

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  1. BrianK

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  2. BrianK

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    http://m.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/the-drug-fueled-homosexual-scandal-allegations-at-the-holy-office

    The Drug-Fueled Homosexual Scandal Allegations at the Holy Office
    Posted by Edward Pentin on Saturday Jul 8th, 2017 at 4:45 AM
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    Whatever the exact truth behind the lurid and disturbing story, it has further exposed such gravely sinful behavior taking place in the Vatican that one senior member of the curia says has “never been worse.”
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    According to reports in the mainstream media, Vatican police broke up a drug-fueled homosexual debauched party in an apartment of the Holy Office, but how true is it?

    The news first broke in a June 28 article in Il Fatto Quotidiano: the Vatican gendarmerie raided a flat in the same building as the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith where they discovered hard drugs and a group of men engaged in homosexual activity. A number of prominent secular English-speaking media outlets have subsequently published extensive details of the Il Fatto Quotidiano report.

    The article claims the occupant of the apartment was the secretary to Cardinal Francesco Coccopalmerio, president of the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts, the Church’s most important canon law office.

    The report further claims that the area of the building was reserved not just for monsignors but senior curial officials, suggesting that the secretary had influential friends in high places to secure such a prestigious apartment.

    Others residing in the Holy Office reportedly complained about a steady stream of young male visitors and of noisy parties in the secretary’s apartment — complaints that prompted the police raid. Further suspicions were also raised when others saw the secretary, a monsignor from the diocese of Prenestina near Rome, had access to a luxury car with Vatican plates which allegedly allowed him to bring drugs into the Vatican without ever being stopped by the Vatican police.

    The article goes on to say that after the police bust, the secretary was taken to the Pio XI clinic in Rome where he underwent detoxification treatment for cocaine use. He was then sent away to a monastery at an unknown location in Italy.

    The article’s author, Francesco Antonio Grana, says Pope Francis, whose Santa Marta residence is just 500 yards from the Holy Office, was aware of the raid and knew of the monsignor’s capture. Grana also points out that the main entrance to the Holy Office opens onto Italian territory and so is out of the control of the Swiss Guard and the Vatican police.

    “Anyone, day and night, can enter the Vatican freely through this entrance without being subjected to any check,” Grana observed, adding that it made the Holy Office “a perfect location to enjoy the privileges of extraterritoriality without having to undergo checks of either the Italian State or those of Vatican City.”

    He also revealed that Cardinal Coccopalmerio had reportedly recommended, unsuccessfully, that the secretary be made a bishop.

    The Vatican is refusing to discuss the lurid story. Laura Signore, secretary to the commander of the Vatican police, Domenico Giani, told the Register June 30 that “as usual” the police commander “cannot issue any kind of statement or interviews.”

    She added that the article is “seriously lacking in truth” and recommended we contact the Holy See Press Office for further information.

    Vatican won't confirm

    Holy See spokesman Greg Burke made it clear he would not confirm the orgy allegations, and did not comment when asked if he could not confirm all, or just parts, of the account reported in Il Fatto Quotidiano. Asked later if the Vatican would comment when the story had received global attention, Burke continued to remain silent.

    On July 6, the Register called the secretary in question on his cell phone, but he instantly refused to speak when told he was speaking to a journalist, mumbling words to the effect: “Look, I cannot talk,” and hanging up.

    In the meantime, a reliable senior member of the curia has told the Register that he has heard from “multiple sources” that the story is true, including from another senior curial figure.

    He said the extent of homosexual practice in the Vatican has “never been worse,” despite efforts begun by Benedict XVI to root out sexual deviancy from the curia after the Vatileaks scandal of 2012.

    A Vatican official who used to greet Cardinal Coccopalmerio’s secretary from time to time, told the Register he had noticed he hadn’t seen him for at least two months, and before he disappeared, had become very thin.

    The Register also contacted Cardinal Coccopalmerio June 6 directly via email, asking if he was able to confirm the story, but he has so far not responded.

    The precise details of the reported events in the CDF therefore remain open to question, but the substance of the story appears to be true. If so, many would find such behavior taking place in the Holy Office not only unconscionable but also highly sacrilegious.

    The Holy Office building, which today is also home to some religious sisters as well as the CDF, dates back to the 16th century. From 1908 to 1965, the CDF was officially known as the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office and its purpose was to "spread sound Catholic doctrine and defend those points of Christian tradition which seem in danger because of new and unacceptable doctrines.”

    Since Benedict XVI’s pontificate, the Vatican dicastery has also been responsible for handling clerical sex abuse cases, although it should be stressed this scandal appears to have had nothing to do with the Congregation.

    Pope Francis has addressed the issue of homosexuality in the Vatican before, and in particular the existence of a gay lobby. Returning from World Youth Day in Rio de Janeiro in 2013, he said he had yet to find “anyone who can give me a Vatican identity card with ‘gay’ [written on it]. They say they are there.”

    After saying all lobbies are bad, he cited the Catechism’s teaching against marginalizing homosexual persons, saying, “If a person is gay and seeks the Lord and has good will, well who am I to judge them?”

    Last year, Cardinal Oscar Maradiaga, a close adviser to Pope Francis, acknowledged the presence of a “gay lobby” in the Vatican and said that “little by little the Pope is trying to purify it.”

    Elmar Mäder, a former commander of the Swiss Guard from 2002 to 2008, said last year "a network of homosexuals" exists within the Vatican after a series of claims about homosexual priests working in the curia. “I cannot refute the claim that there is a network of homosexuals,” he said. “My experiences would indicate the existence of such a thing," he told the Swiss newspaper Schweiz am Sonntag.

    Even demons are repulsed

    In light of the latest scandal and the current situation, one former official urged readers to recall the warnings of the Lord on homosexual acts, especially between priests, as explained by St. Catherine of Siena in her Dialogues written as if dictated by God Himself.

    The medieval mystic, co-patron of Rome and Doctor of the Church, relayed the words at a time when a number of clergy had fallen into grave sin.

    Such priests, the Lord told St. Catherine, not only fail from resisting their fallen nature, “but do even worse as they commit the cursed sin against nature [homosexual acts].”

    “Like the blind and stupid having dimmed the light of the understanding, they do not recognize the disease and misery in which they find themselves,” the Lord continued, adding that it not only causes God “nausea, but displeases even the demons themselves, whom these miserable creatures have chosen as their lords.”

    He added that “this sin against nature is so abominable that, for it alone, five cities were submersed, by virtue of the judgement of My Divine Justice, which could no longer bear them.” The Lord told St. Catherine that even the demons are “repulsed upon seeing such an enormous sin being committed.”

    As a remedy, St. Catherine recounted the Lord saying:

    “Never cease offering me the incense of fragrant prayers for the salvation of souls, for I want to be merciful to the world. With your prayers and sweat and tears, I will wash the face of my bride, Holy Church. I showed her to you earlier as a maiden whose face was all dirtied as if she were a leper. The clergy and the whole of Christianity are to blame for this because of their sins, though they receive their nourishment at the breast of this bride.”
     
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  3. CrewDog

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    I'm sorry, Holiness .... but .... I think you are the one with a distorted view of The USA and the World!
    I'd also suggest that it might be best if you started spending more time on Your Job! Matters like healing/explaining the rifts, distortions and, "misunderstandings" that have abounded since you took office!
    It might also be a good idea to actually doing something about the Vatican Radical Gay Marxist Crowd that is ever present and embarrassing the Faithful on a weekly basis.

    "Pope Francis Says America Has ‘a Distorted Vision of the World"
    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...ancis-says-america-has-distorted-vision-world

    GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!
     
  4. josephite

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    Yes true David, but who is going to tell us the truth! especially when we see so much Vatican, covering up going on.

    For starters this incident of the arrest of Monsignor Luigi Capozzi happen over 2 months ago, but not a word about the scandal has been spoken by any Vatican officials. Italian media broke the story last week after receiving inside information........ how embarrasing for us Catholics!

    So lies, deceptions and misinformation seem to be the order of the day within the Vatican and also by those who are naturally questioning what is happening in the Vatican!

    I have been praying for Cardinal Coccopalmerio maybe like some poor parent of a runaway child, he just dosen't know what to do.

    Either way it is so very sad.
     
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  5. BrianK

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    I can't find a link now, but it has been asserted that this gay orgy in the Vatican occurred on Good Friday. The sacrilege is inconceivable.
     
  6. HeavenlyHosts

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    At the top
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  7. josephite

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    It is truly, unmistakably and manifestly Evil!
    Of satan himself.

    St Michael the Arch Angel defend us in our day of battle, be our safe gaurd against the wickness and snares of the devil.
    May God rebuke him we humbly pray and do Thou Oh Prince of the Heavenly Hosts by the power of God, cast into hell, satan and all other evil spirits who prowl through the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen
     
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  8. padraig

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    Things have turned very ,very very bad indeed in Rome very , very quickly . I may say Satan is totally enthroned there.
    Wow!!!

    So amazing
     
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  9. padraig

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    Satan is totally enthroned there.
    Wow!!!
    So amazing
    Totally , totally gone wow!
     
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  10. padraig

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    Rome really is lost

    how astonishing
     
  11. Mary's child

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    Mary our heavenly mother please be with us as we pray for strength and courage as we face the cyclone in front of us.
     
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  12. padraig

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    wow Rome itself lost , the papacy

    gone to darkness
     
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  13. Dolours

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    It is not accurate to say that Pope Francis is where he is because Jesus has put him there. It would be more accurate to say that Pope Francis is where he is because the Cardinal electors put him there (pitiful bunch that they are). Jesus permitted it just as He permitted that priest to host the orgy in the Vatican. Man's free will is Church teaching. Inspiration by the Holy Spirit, proceeding from God the Father and His son, our Lord Jesus Christ, is available to any of the Cardinals seeking it but Jesus doesn't force His choice on them. Doing so would override their free will to respond or not to the Spirit's prompting.

    When he was Cardinal Ratzinger, the Pope Emeritus said something along the lines that, considering some of the Popes we have had, God clearly doesn't impose His choice on the Church and that the only assurance we have is that the Holy Spirit will save us from total ruin.

    Given the controversy surrounding Pope Francis' selection as a candidate, I doubt whether Jesus had anything to do with his election except perhaps to spare us the election of Cardinal Martini.

    For all we know, this latest scandal coming to light after two months of being kept under wraps could be the Holy Spirit warning Pope Francis that enough is enough and it's time to get his act together, start defending the deposit of faith and stop elevating people who undermine or oppose it. As the Pope might say, the Holy Spirit can be a God of surprises. I'll bet Pope Francis was really surprised to learn that the secret orgy wasn't a secret any more.
     
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  14. Jarg

    Jarg Archangels

    This looks bad but Rome has seen worse, for instance with Pope Benedict IX (there are many accounts of homo orgiastic parties in his court and he may have been an active participant, who knows). One thing is true, that popes come and go (and so do heresies) but the Church will still be here on earth 100 years from now. And it is certain that God does not need Rome for his Church, but rather the other way around. So if things continue in the wrong direction, I would not be surprised if the Great King takes the Petrine ministry elsewhere, maybe to another continent or maybe to Portugal, where "the dogma of the faith will always be preserved"
     
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  15. CrewDog

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    YES!!! God is Runnin' de Show .. Halleluiah!
    The Vatican, like any center of power/$$$, is and always has been a target for Satan and minions. Who really knows why PB XVI "retired"? Was he threatened by "The Wolves" that he once quipped about ... blackmailed? The Church history that we learned about in grade school was whitewashed ... alot! Intrigue, corruption and worse is ALWAYS a clear-n-present danger when Mankind is in charge! :( God is always with us ...that is His Promise. :) His message that echoes through all time is for YOU to make ready for whatever is to come. I think it's time for us to look to the welfare of family, friends and our local Church. Let The Lord worry about The Vatican and Bishoprics.

    GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!
     
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  16. Not to worry.....here's one who thinks that it's simply the Holy Spirit finally coming into His own, as intended by Vat II, through the Pope of today:

    Cardinal Wuerl: Vatican II being unleashed through Pope Francis

    ......Wuerl was in Orlando for the July 1-4 “Convocation of Catholic Leaders,” and spoke with Crux about the impact of the pontificate of Pope Francis.

    “We are 50 years after the [Second Vatican] Council. What’s happening is all that Pentecostal energy that the Council unleashed is now, with this Holy Father, being felt,” Wuerl said. “It has taken a long time, but the Church moves very slowly solidifying, clarifying, reaffirming her teaching. Now we are at a point where this Holy Father is saying all that energy, let’s do something with it, and people are responding and saying: I do feel my call.”

    The cardinal downplayed opposition to the papacy, especially objections to the papal document Amoris Laetitia, saying it’s “not a very large group,” adding that it’s “a rather concentrated, and in a certain sense, esoteric” discussion.


    https://cruxnow.com/interviews/2017/07/08/cardinal-wuerl-vatican-ii-unleashed-pope-francis/
     
  17. SgCatholic

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    Ugh!
     
  18. Mary's child

    Mary's child Powers

    Ditto that....:eek:
     
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  19. CrewDog

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    Wuerl the Squirrel as he is known to his detractors. With very few exceptions that I can see, the biggest US Dioceses are, of course, HQ'd in big urban areas that are controlled by Liberal Democrats and populated with The Usual Suspects. The DC Metro Area is especially Liberal thanks to all the Gubermint Public "Servants", Lobbyists, Gubermint Contractors and a huge On de Dole Welfare Class. Many if not most Catholics ... and other Christians have already escaped the Urban Scene to more tranquil suburbs or States. The Church, like the rest of the USA, is more and more divided along the lines of Producer Class vs. Welfare Class. Cdl. Wuerl, like most of the other Bigs, has a bad habit of aligning himself with The Democrats because of "The Poor" and/or Illegal Alien Invasion whilst giving short shrift to the Democrat Agendas of unlimited Abortion, LGBTQ "Rights" and surrender of National Soverignty. After 50 years of The Great Society and other, multitudinous, Liberal Failures, the Producer Class has grown very weary of paying for and being subjected to it all. The percentage of "The Poor" has not only not been reduced but "The Poor" are more ignorant and angry as ever ....... as every Violent WeekEnd in Chicago demonstrates. Thus we have Urban/State Flight, Trump's "surprising" win and The Producer Class on an eight year binge of buying Guns, Beans & Bullets. If you can't see the Civil War, happening , NOW, in your Church and Nation ... Well!! ...... Good @#^$*< Luck when the SHTF Moment arrives!

    GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!
     
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  20. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    All one needs to do is to look to the history of the city of Detroit. It is a prime example of decades of liberal politics played out and the results of such. We are talking a city that can not afford to keep street lights lit or garbage services running reliably. All conveniently swept under the rug by the press.

    I agree with you on having a preparedness mindset both physically and more importantly spiritually.
     
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