The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

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  2. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    Spare us yet another performance of the mother hen guarding her Bishop chicks, David, and wake up to the fact that there's something rotten in the Vatican State. While it didn't start with Pope Francis, no other Pope has done so much to undermine the Deposit of Faith.

    Cardinal Coccopalmerio may well have good intentions and may be a really nice, kind hearted person but he falls way short of being a good Bishop irrespective of who elevated him to the episcopacy. That interview you linked to merely confirms it as does this latest scandal. In terms of the Church's mission to save souls and defend the deposit of faith, at best he's well meaning but incompetent and at worst he's a wolf with a shepherd's crozier.

    We can't judge the state of anyone's soul, not even the wayward priest's. We do well to remind ourselves of these words in the Act of Contrition: "I detest my sins above every other evil..." (meaning that we should be most disgusted by our own sins no matter what they are). The Cardinal and others looking for ways to justify ongoing sins of the flesh would do well to recall these words: "because they displease Thee my God who art so deserving of all my love......" (notice no mention of God playing second fiddle to sex partners or other people's children), and "I firmly resolve by thy holy grace never more to offend Thee and to amend my life" (no mention of waiting until it's more convenient for the kids).

    While we can't judge souls, we can judge actions and failure to act. We can expect punishment of people found misusing and abusing Church property. While sodomy is legal in the Vatican State, it is a sin deserving condemnation just as much as failure to recycle or welcome illegal immigrants. Drug use is both criminal and sinful, even in the Vatican. We all know the kind of evils committed by drug barons and their henchmen. Their customers are accessories to their evil. Cleaning the environment starts with cleaning our own back yard. Pope Francis and all our Bishops need to clean house, starting in the Vatican and they need to do it before rather than after the neighbours complain. My heart goes out to all the good priests who will never be bishops or cardinals but whose load grows heavier with each scandal that bishops enable by their dereliction of duty. Offenders need to be taught a severe lesson about actions having consequences, otherwise it will only get worse.

    If the police raided your house or mine and found us in possession of narcotics, we would lose our livelihood, our reputation and our freedom. We would also have to pay through the nose for legal representation at our trial. If that priest has enough private wealth to finance a BMW and narcotics, he can afford to pay the going rate for his detox treatment and rehabilitation in the monastery. Ordinary Catholics shouldn't be footing the bill. This scandal is just another example of the hypocrisy belying sanctimonious statements about a poor Church for the poor.
     
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  3. Real estate is always "location, location, location".......seems it goes as well for "parties" with a chance at a high rent district for their fun. They really should have an emergency meeting of the home association committee to keep order in outward appearances at least! After all that's what's kept things going for quite a while in what M. Martin called the "organizational church".
     
  4. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Guest

    It is not unreasonable to suspect that Cardinal Coccopalmerio must have known about his secretary's hedonistic lifestyle. It doesn't need any fuel from any website for that suspicion to be formed in our minds.
     
  5. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    Life is good in Copocabana land.

     
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  6. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    And when the location has embassy status under the law, its value rises exponentially for residents engaging in illegal activities. The Palace of the Holy Office is situated adjacent to but outside Vatican City State. Under the Lateran Treaty, it is an extraterritorial property with embassy status and houses the curial Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_the_Holy_Office While we don't know the location of the priest's apartment, it's as likely to have been in that building as in any other. The building is practically next door to the Domus Santa Marta (bottom right on the map: http://romemap360.com/vatican-city-map#.WWDYxYTyvIU ). Throw in some diplomatic number plates for a car along with a close association with a member of the government and you have Valhalla for someone with opiates for religion and grave sin downgraded by his superiors to a debate about primacy of conscience and situational ethics. In short, that priest's superiors have been his enablers in respect of both the drug abuse and the homosexual orgy.

    We have a right - perhaps a duty - to question this and demand better from our shepherds. Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately given the influence and cafeteria Catholicism of some Soros funded groups) we don't have the authority to correct it, so prayer remains our trusted weapon against these attacks on the Faith from within and without the Church. We do have a duty to denounce any claim by the modernists that separating Doctrine from Pastoral Practice is the work of the Holy Spirit, and we don't need to be theologians to do so. Just about every heresy in the history of the Church has had the support of "great theologians", some of whom had the ear and favour of the Pope of their time.
     
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  7. Jarg

    Jarg Archangels

    Edward Pentin just published a piece in the register about this topic, it is interesting how he ends it with t Catherine of Siena - the Lord spoke to her words on the subject of homosexual practice among priests, which are worth a read:

    http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edwa...sexual-scandal-allegations-at-the-holy-office

    The Drug-Fueled Homosexual Scandal Allegations at the Holy Office


    Whatever the exact truth behind the lurid and disturbing story, it has further exposed such gravely sinful behavior taking place in the Vatican that one senior member of the curia says has “never been worse.”

    Edward Pentin

    According to reports in the mainstream media, Vatican police broke up a drug-fueled homosexual debauched party in an apartment of the Holy Office, but how true is it?

    [...]

    He said the extent of homosexual practice in the Vatican has “never been worse,” despite efforts begun by Benedict XVI to root out sexual deviancy from the curia after the Vatileaks scandal of 2012.


    [...]

    Even demons are repulsed


    In light of the latest scandal and the current situation, one former official urged readers to recall the warnings of the Lord on homosexual acts, especially between priests, as explained by St. Catherine of Siena in her Dialogues written as if dictated by God Himself.

    The medieval mystic, co-patron of Rome and Doctor of the Church, relayed the words at a time when a number of clergy had fallen into grave sin.

    Such priests, the Lord told St. Catherine, not only fail from resisting their fallen nature, “but do even worse as they commit the cursed sin against nature [homosexual acts].”

    “Like the blind and stupid having dimmed the light of the understanding, they do not recognize the disease and misery in which they find themselves,” the Lord continued, adding that it not only causes God “nausea, but displeases even the demons themselves, whom these miserable creatures have chosen as their lords.”

    He added that “this sin against nature is so abominable that, for it alone, five cities were submersed, by virtue of the judgement of My Divine Justice, which could no longer bear them.” The Lord told St. Catherine that even the demons are “repulsed upon seeing such an enormous sin being committed.”

    As a remedy, St. Catherine recounted the Lord saying:

    “Never cease offering me the incense of fragrant prayers for the salvation of souls, for I want to be merciful to the world. With your prayers and sweat and tears, I will wash the face of my bride, Holy Church. I showed her to you earlier as a maiden whose face was all dirtied as if she were a leper. The clergy and the whole of Christianity are to blame for this because of their sins, though they receive their nourishment at the breast of this bride.”
     
  8. davidtlig

    davidtlig Guest

    Thank you for posting the link to this article which is helpful, unlike Mac's offering above which is worthless rubbish.
     
  9. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    Contrast that very mild article from Edward Pentin, whom some of the papolators don't often rate very highly, with this from the Daily Beast gloating at the snippet about the man chosen to be his secretary by Cardinal Coccopalmerio (whom "Pope Francis considers a close aid") holding a drugs and homosexual orgy in the apartment once occupied by Pope Benedict. Note that the priest is no longer in his job but Cardinal Coccopalmerio remains in situ. http://www.thedailybeast.com/the-va...drug-fueled-gay-orgy-in-pope-francis-backyard

    The fact that that particular priest was installed in that particular apartment smacks even more of the new regime giving the two fingers to the Pope Emeritus.
     
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  10. BrianK

    BrianK Guest

    There's more truth in this satire than 99% of David's inane posts.
     
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  11. davidtlig

    davidtlig Guest

    “Satire is a sort of glass, wherein beholders do generally discover everybody’s face but their own,” said Jonathan Swift, the gifted 18th-century lasher of human hypocrisy. “Which is the chief reason for that kind of reception it meets with in the world, and that so very few are offended with it.”

     
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  12. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Same. In the Days of Lot...
     
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  13. picadillo

    picadillo Guest


    How is this guy still in power? What is the matter with PF? He assured us there was no gay mafia, but he has been enabling them from the beginning of his pontificate. Who am I to judge hogwash! I am surprised there is any faith left in Argentina. Remember, PF knew about this two months ago. He fires Cardinal Muller and keeps this clown on. Ronald Reagan was right, the fish rots from the head down. PF is the Barack Obama of the catholic church.
     
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  14. picadillo

    picadillo Guest

    Brilliant analysis as usual Dolours.
     
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  15. davidtlig

    davidtlig Guest

    You are an angry man, picadillo, and you have previously written about things which explain where that anger comes from but please don't take it out on Pope Francis.

    Pope Francis is where he is because Jesus has put him there. It's as simple as that. Just try to accept that and stop fighting.
     
  16. Oh good grief. With all of the corrupt behavior going on in his own little back yard there he has to once again attempt to promote the NWO against someone who actually is shaming those places and people that forbid freedom to worship and practice their faith without repercussions.

    Pope Francis Says America Has ‘a Distorted Vision of the World’

    ........As transclated into English by Agence France Presse, which picked up the story, Pope Francis told La Repubblica: “I worry about very dangerous alliances between powers which have a distorted vision of the world: America and Russia, China and North Korea, (Russian President Vladimir) Putin and (Syria’s Bashar al-) Assad over the war in Syria.”

    “The danger concerns immigration,” the pope continued to La Repubblica, as translated by AFP. “Our main and unfortunately growing problem in the world today is that of the poor, the weak, the excluded, which includes migrants.”

    “This is why the G20 worries me: It mainly hits immigrants,” Pope Francis said, according to AFP.

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...ancis-says-america-has-distorted-vision-world

    http://www.france24.com/en/20170708-pope-warns-dangerous-alliances-among-g20-powers

    And his socialist methods have increased morality, stable families, jobs and true beliefs. What about the loss of those truths in the EU since the "invasion" by force of the political powers and denial of their own Christian roots in their history? Why isn't there more call for the rich Arab countries to help their own with an understanding of the culture and where families would not have to be split up and where those of fighting ages who seem to make up a great percentage of the immigrants could fight for their own homes and families?
     
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  17. picadillo

    picadillo Guest

    You are right David, I am angry. Angry at the bullying, insults, and name-calling done by this pope at someone who has tried to live his life according to 2000 years of catholic tradition. I am sick of this pope who professes a belief, liberation theology, which has been explicitly condemned by the last two popes. It is catholic communism which the Blessed Mother has warned us against. You are correct in that. However, I believe that the good Lord has placed him there to show all the depravity of his left-wing philosophy in much the same way that Barack Obama has destroyed the left in America. The backlash coming in catholicism will be like a "refiner's fire."
     
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  18. picadillo

    picadillo Guest


    I believe it is PF who can not see God working thru President Trump much the same as God used King David. He is supporting the ideology that the satanists in the vatican and new world order promote.
     
  19. padraig

    padraig Powers

    David. Honestly I am not writing this to start an argument or to annoy you. I am quite genuinely concerned for the Salvation of your soul. There really is as Scripture and the Teachings of the Church indicates a Final Judgement before God and an actual place called hell, where people do indeed go to.

    I worry that by publically defending great evil your soul may be sent there at the end your life's journey. Hell does exist and it truly terrible.

    I am praying for you. Please reconsider the dark road you appear determined to embark on.
     
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  20. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Please take pause. Consider, please.
     

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