The Vatican Has Fallen

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  1. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    picadillo and confused others who think Mark Mallett does not get what is happening and is pandering to Pope Francis' confusion in AL. Please read his latest blog and you will know where he and myself and others stand on Pope Francis without getting nasty about him.
    https://www.markmallett.com/blog/political-correctness-and-the-great-apostasy/#more-26521
     
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  2. bflocatholic

    bflocatholic Powers

  3. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    And this latest from Luz de Maria March 1, 2017 (Google Translate)

    "Divine Love is the support of those who seek Him and do not find Him because of the laziness of those of My favorite children who abandon their People to My Son, knowing that Satan's servants await the prey to catch her and chain her to false Doctrines that rise with force to distort the Divine Mandates ... They are wolves in sheepskin.

    Beloved children of My Immaculate Heart, I look at how the great building of My Son's Church is taken to sow darkness in it and that darkness grows ever more and more upon My children. How many false and disinterested servants of My Son do not preach the Truth, but maintain a deceptive sense for the Salvation of souls!

    THE LAW IS ONE, THE DECALOGUE IS NOT SUBJECT TO INTERPRETATIONS, WAS DELIVERED BY GOD FATHER TO MOSES TO BE FULFILLED BY THE CENTURIES OF THE CENTURIES.

    I warned them: My Son's Church will fall into confusion, which will increase without stopping and priests will rise up against priests. Those who treasure the Word of My Son, will preach the Truth, who will take other paths, will preach licentiousness by leading My Son's Village to go astray.

    THIS INSTANT IS DANGEROUS FOR THE SALVATION OF THE SOUL, SO KNOW MY SON ....

    I call you to live in the constant praxis of the Commandments, you fulfill the LAW OF GOD. Fear disobedience to God: this is the Passion that lives constantly My Son, is the Passion that is in the present state.

    The Priestly People must remain attached to the Law of God so that the People of My Son may be fulfilling that Law. My Son is again crucified by His own People, by those who doubt the veracity of His Word, by those who do not believe In the Commandments and discard them.

    Beloved children of My Immaculate Heart, they expect to see signs and wait for the moment to pass by a multitude of signs, forgetting that in a few days the schism can grow within the Church of My Son and this will awaken nations against nations.

    Woe to those who confuse the People of My Son!
    Woe to those who feed Satanic tendencies by denying My Son!
    Three times, alas! On those who deny the Word of My Son!

    The battle for souls is hellish, Humanity turns to encounter with its own evil.

    THE LAW IS ONE, THE LAW IS ETERNAL, THE DIVINE LAW IS INVARIABLE, WHO VARIES IT ACCORDING TO ITS INTERESTS, IS ANATOMY".
     
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  4. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    They gave Pope Francis four years to ‘make the Church over again.’ Here’s how he’s tried.
    Catholic , Cormac Murphy-Oconnor , Godfried Danneels , Pope Francis , Vatican

    March 1, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) -- Four years ago, on March 13, 2013, an unknown Argentinian cardinal was elected to lead the Catholic Church. The election of Jorge Mario Bergoglio followed upon 35 years of clear, solid, orthodox teaching under the distinguished pontificates of Saint John Paul II (1978-2005) and Benedict XVI (2005-2013).

    As white smoke emanated from the Sistine Chapel chimney that March evening, signifying the election of a new pope, faithful Catholics around the world were eager to see who their next leader would be. They did not know, nor could they possibly have known, the massive shake-up that awaited them.

    However, a number of high-ranking prelates did know. Some even let it slip following the election that an influential group of liberal-minded cardinals had been in existence with the goal of influencing the conclave to elect Bergoglio. One cardinal even said he was part of the group. He referred to it as a “mafia.”

    St. Gallen ‘mafia’
    It was Cardinal Godfried Danneels, honored with standing alongside Pope Francis on the balcony on the night of his election, who revealed the existence of the St. Gallen group. It was Danneels who called it a "mafia" on account of its goal to drastically reform the Church to make it "much more modern."

    The informal group came into existence sometime around 1996. Members, which included Cardinals da Cruz Policarpo, Martini, Danneels, Murphy-O'Connor, Silvestrini, Husar, Kasper, and Lehmann, thought they could have a “significant impact” on future papal elections if each of them used their network of contacts, according to Danneels’ authorized biography co-written by Jürgen Mettepenningen and Karim Schelkens.

    The group allegedly lost its impetus in 2006 after failing to have their preferred candidate elected in the 2005 conclave. While the group has been accused of being involved in a plot that led to the resignation of Pope Benedict, these claims have been denied by former bishop of St. Gallen Ivo Fürer.

    But while Bishop Fürer stated that the St. Gallen group did not officially meet after 2006, and therefore could not have been involved in a plot to force Benedict XVI to resign, this does not mean that the group was inactive.

    According to Austen Ivereigh, Francis’ biographer and Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor’s former assistant, days prior to the March 12 conclave in Rome, Murphy-O’Connor was tasked by the St. Gallen “mafia” with informing Bergoglio of a plan to get him elected. Murphy-O’Connor was an old friend of Bergoglio.

    As Ivereigh described in his 2014 book on Pope Francis, Murphy-O’Connor was also tasked with lobbying for Bergoglio among his North American counterparts as well as acting as a link for those from Commonwealth countries.

    “They first secured Bergoglio’s assent,” wrote Ivereigh. “Asked if he was willing, he said that he believed that at this time of crisis for the Church no cardinal could refuse if asked. Murphy-O’Connor knowingly warned him to 'be careful,’ and that it was his turn now, and was told 'capisco’ – 'I understand.’”

    “Then they got to work, touring the cardinals’ dinners to promote their man, arguing that his age – 76 – should no longer be considered an obstacle, given that popes could resign. Having understood from 2005 the dynamics of a conclave, they knew that votes travelled to those who made a strong showing out of the gate,” he wrote.

    Because he was over the age of 80, Murphy-O'Connor was not able to vote in the Conclave, but was present at the pre-Conclave gatherings. On March 2, an anonymous cardinal who was not able to vote in the conclave told Italian news service La Stampa that, “Four years of Bergoglio would be enough to change things.” Murphy-O'Connor was later named making the same comment in a July 2013 piece that appeared in the Independent.

    In early March of 2013, word began to get around quickly in the College of Cardinals that a powerful movement was afoot to elect Bergoglio.

    In an astounding talk given six months after Bergoglio’s election, Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, Archbishop Emeritus of Washington, D.C., revealed how he became part of the plan to elect the new pope.

    “Before the Conclave, nobody thought that there was a chance for Bergoglio,” he said in an October 1, 2013 talk given at Villanova University in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/...ears-to-make-the-church-over-again.-heres-how
     
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  5. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    The words below posted online at Rorate Caeli on March 13, 2013, the day of the election of Pope Francis, are so on the mark one might suspect that the journalist had somehow managed to time travel four years ahead from that date to today so as to accurately depict what was about to unfold.

    The Horror!
    A Buenos Aires journalist describes Bergoglio


    We have many friends around the world, including in the dear Argentine Republic. And we asked a cherished friend, Marcelo González, of Panorama Católico Internacional, who knows the Church of Argentina as well as the palm of his hand to send us a report on the new pope. Here it goes:

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    The Archbishop of Buenos Aires kneels down to receive the "blessing"
    of Protestant ministers and Fr. Raniero Cantalamessa - Buenos Aires, 2006

    The Horror!

    Of all the unthinkable candidates, Jorge Mario Bergoglio is perhaps the worst. Not because he openly professes doctrines against the faith and morals, but because, judging from his work as Archbishop of Buenos Aires, faith and morals seem to have been irrelevant to him.

    A sworn enemy of the Traditional Mass, he has only allowed imitations of it in the hands of declared enemies of the ancient liturgy. He has persecuted every single priest who made an effort to wear a cassock, preach with firmness, or that was simply interested in Summorum Pontificum.
    Famous for his inconsistency (at times, for the unintelligibility of his addresses and homilies), accustomed to the use of coarse, demagogical, and ambiguous expressions, it cannot be said that his magisterium is heterodox, but rather non-existent for how confusing it is.

    His entourage in the Buenos Aires Curia, with the exception of a few clerics, has not been characterized by the virtue of their actions. Several are under grave suspicion of moral misbehavior.
    He has not missed any occasion for holding acts in which he lent his Cathedral to Protestants, Muslims, Jews, and even to partisan groups in the name of an impossible and unnecessary interreligious dialogue. He is famous for his meetings with Protestants in the Luna Park arena where, together with preacher of the Pontifical House, Raniero Cantalamessa, he was "blessed" by Protestant ministers, in a common act of worship in which he, in practice, accepted the validity of the "powers" of the TV-pastors.

    This election is incomprehensible: he is not a polyglot, he has no Curial experience, he does not shine for his sanctity, he is loose in doctrine and liturgy, he has not fought against abortion and only very weakly against homosexual "marriage" [approved with practically no opposition from the episcopate], he has no manners to honor the Pontifical Throne. He has never fought for anything else than to remain in positions of power.

    It really cannot be what Benedict wanted for the Church. And he does not seem to have any of the conditions required to continue his work.
    May God help His Church. One can never dismiss, as humanly hard as it may seem, the possibility of a conversion... and, nonetheless, the future terrifies us.

    The above is a personal assessment by the author and does not indicate any opinion of this blog or its contributors. [See also: Letter of Cardinal Bergoglio to Carmelites regarding the pending approval of "same sex marriage" ]

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    - See more at: http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/20...os-aires-journalist.html#sthash.hVzizUtq.dpuf

    http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-horror-buenos-aires-journalist.html
     
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  6. indaiatubano

    indaiatubano Archangels

    Major Catholic Media Reports: … Grave Concern Inside Vatican…Fear of Schism Taken Seriously… “More disastrous than the Reformation”
    March 2, 2017 Stephen Ryan 2 Comments
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    EWTN REPORTS



    The London Times newspaper is reporting that a group of cardinals who supported Pope Francis now want him to resign and be replaced by Cardinal Pietro Parolin because they fear his reforms will cause a schism “more disastrous” than the Reformation. The Times article draws on a report by the Vatican expert Antonio Socci, a prominent Italian Catholic journalist.

    Antonio Socci reports that it is the curial faction of the Holy See that backed the election of Jorge Mario Bergoglio out of “impatience with the rule of his predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI” that now wants Pope Francis to resign out of fear of an impending schism. The Times reports:

    A large part of the cardinals who voted for him is very worried and the curia . . . that organised his election and has accompanied him thus far, without ever disassociating itself from him, is cultivating the idea of a moral suasion to convince him to retire.

    It was the latter faction who now believed that the Pope should resign and who would like to replace him with Cardinal Pietro Parolin, the Vatican secretary of state, Mr Socci said. He believed that the group numbered around a dozen, but the importance of the members counts more than their number. Four years after Benedict XVI’s renunciation and Bergoglio’s arrival on the scene, the situation of the Catholic church has become explosive, perhaps really on the edge of a schism, which could be even more disastrous than Luther’s [who is today being rehabilitated by the Bergoglio church].

    The cardinals are worried that the church could be shattered as an institution. There are many indirect ways in which the pressure might be exerted.

    An expert on the Vatican gave this assessment of the latest development:

    A good number of the majority that voted for Bergoglio in 2013 have come to regret their decision, but I don’t think it’s plausible that members of the hierarchy will pressure the Pope to resign. Those who know him know it would be useless. [He] has a very authoritarian streak. He won’t resign until he has completed his revolutionary reforms, which are causing enormous harm.

    Antonio Socci reports that the significance of this development is that the group who want Pope Francis to resign are not the “conservative” cardinals who have opposed the Holy Father’s innovations, “What was significant, he said, was that the doubters were not the conservative cardinals who had been in open opposition to the Pope since early in his reign.”
     
  7. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    We were warned these days would come with Bishop against Bishop and Cardinal against Cardinal. No matter how bad this gets we must not abandon our Church. I don't know how we do this if things officially turn to schism other than doing our parts each day by continuing to pray, especially the Rosary and continuing to take part in the Sacraments.
     
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  8. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Well, Don_D, we take it one day at a time just exactly as you have said above. The Lord and His Blessed Mother will not leave us orphans, and I am sure that we will know more as the time comes. We get the food that we need for the day, only. You said it all in your short post, you condensed it down.;);)
     
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  9. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    You sure picked a heck of a time to come home to the Church Don :)
     
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  10. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Its a very,very good time to be educated or to educate ourselves in what are the proper teachings of the Magisterium.

    I am enjoying watching the channel Sensum Fidelium on Utube at the moment , they are perfectly Orthodox. Also of course the old Hands like Mother Angelica, Archbishop Fulton Sheen Fr Hardon et al. Honestly I would be very, very wary of anything coming from the Holy See at the moment. Very,very wary indeed. Take it all with a huge, huge pinch of salt. In fact better to press the , 'Off ', button right away.

    What a sad thing to write! Sigh. But there you are .I don't trust a single thing coming from there at the moment. A few remain faithful but they are pretty well drowned out by the sell outs.

    If it was not for Our Lady's promise , 'In the End my Immaculate Heart will Triumph', I would utterly despair. But I am full of hope and confidence. God will kick their asses , wait and see.:D;)

     
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  11. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    I listened to that excellent talk on YouTube this morning and actually posted a link to it on another thread. Did you notice how worried the priest sounded at the end of the talk when he was urging people to pray, pray? I'm a big fan of that priest on the Sensus Fidelium channel and this is the first time I have ever detected a note of fear in his voice. Perhaps fear is not the correct word. Worry might be a better description of what I sensed.
     
  12. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I can see the fear in Raymond Arroyo and other top commentators at EWTN , Dolores. They can't quite take it all in . They are horrified. They are right to be frightened. I believe the next move will be on the Mass. An ecumenical mass and parish structure shared with Protestant were there is no more consecration and so no more mass. They also intend to abolish both Parish Priests and Parishes.
    Also to abolish the Sacrament of Confession and replace it with a common liturgical service.

    This may seem incredible but I always thought that this was the end game and rumours indicate that this is so.. I will post a link if I can find it.

    The devil must be ecstatic.
     
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  13. padraig

    padraig Powers

    https://anonimidellacroce.wordpress...-parrocchia-e-i-sacramenti-di-fra-cristoforo/

    "Drafts Part XI: ecumenical project that demolishes the Parish and the sacraments" of Fra Cristoforo
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    "Drafts Part XI: ecumenical project that demolishes the Parish and the sacraments" of Fra Cristoforo

    This draft is really terrifying. As we had already anticipated in the first "Spiffero" ( https://anonimidellacroce.wordpress.com/2017/02/06/spifferi-da-santa-marta-sullintercomunione-di-fra-cristoforo/ ), there is a private commission, made by Catholics, Lutherans and Anglicans, who is working to change the Mass.

    Already this is a terrible thing. Touching the Eucharist, touches all the heart of the Church. An ecumenical Mass, which will be called "holy memory," not
    will have more as the center of the consecration of the Eucharist, that only validly ordained priests have power to do, but it will have as its center-of course ecumenical unity.

    Unfortunately, there's more. My source told me the following.
    Obviously the focus change is just the beginning.

    The commission is working on DI "PARISH" TOTAL CHANGE OF CONCEPT.

    This means that we will not have the parish as it is conceived now, but it will be an "ecumenical community." The concept of parish priest, parish house, (all concrete things founded and ordered by the Council of Trent) will no longer exist.
    They're thinking about putting in charge of each "community" a team of "shepherds". Which can be both Catholics, Protestants and Anglicans.
    The reference figures, therefore, will no longer distinction. Plus of course they will be assisted by lay people.

    It 'a total upheaval, which will create quite a stir and confusion.
    However, already in some realities you live this kind of "pastoral". For example, in Deventer, the Netherlands, several parishes already live this
    type of "ecumenism".
    And the German Church is not lagging behind.

    Even in the Sacrament of Penance there are works in progress. Anyone who wants can go to confession at least individually by Catholic priests.

    But these ecumenical community will periodically "common penitential liturgies," which will only serve to give oneself a good conscience (their goodness), communally.
    So who wants to be able to have the "pardon of the community", no need to confess privately.
    These steps are all the study of the private commission. It is not clear yet when such changes will be operational. But from what will be the source tells me something soft. Meanwhile, some parishes will start to become "ecumenical community" experimentally (in Africa and Latin America).
    Following, then, every diocese in the world will have to adapt.

    As you can see, there will be no need to "hold" a new council. Bergoglio will do it anyway. This is his intention, and that will try to do.
    So not only the change of the Mass (which is already very serious). But of the whole organizational structure of the Church.
    Ecumenism. Any cost. And you do not think that the dissidents will be many. It 'true that all these changes will lead perhaps to a
    schism. But keep in mind one thing: the majority of the Catholic clergy will bend to the will of the Argentine Jesuit.

    It will be a community to "LIVE THE PARISH PRIEST", as they say ...
    I know someone will remain perplexed. Strangely, though, after Fra Cristoforo public a draft, a few days later he has always public confirmation.

    "I saw that many pastors they had become involved in ideas that were dangerous to the Church. They were building a big church, strange, and extravagant. Everyone had to be admitted in it to be united and have equal rights: Evangelicals, Catholics and seven of every denomination. So it had to be the new Church ... But God had other plans. " (April 22, 1823 - Blessed Catherine Emmerich)

    among Cristoforo
     
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  14. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Oh Boy!!! Anyone still think the A.C. is years or centuries away????
     
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  15. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    This has all been written in Catholic prophecy.......especially in the book God Speaks Will You Listen www.godspeakswillyoulisten.org
     
  16. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    As I have watched clergy and laity over the last few decades, I am convinced, as few as only only 10% know, teach and follow the unadulterated Catholic faith teachings today. This is why the spiritual chastisement is underway. This is why so few will remain faithful today, because so few know the faith. The majority are like sheep with a blind shepherd. Ripe pickings for the false prophet and the antichrist. It all crumbles like stacked domino's waiting for God to command the figure of his angle to click the first domino. So few left who will keep the faith, as so few even know it today. And so it is........we know the rest of the story.
     
  17. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Exactly. Exactly. So sad, but this is the truth I am afraid. When ordered to jump over the cliff they will be lining up to do so with smiles on their faces.
     
  18. Mary's child

    Mary's child Powers

    :( I have always felt it would be in my life but prayed that I was wrong. This is another confirmation on the heap. Mary please pray for us. Lord Jesus Come soon. Our hearts are heavy and burdened.
     
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  19. padraig

    padraig Powers

    There is a plan to all this, it is no accident. Those who were meant to be going to hell will be going to hell, those to heaven homewards. This Apostasy will separate the sheep from the goats. You have to let a boil swell to its full extent before bursting it. These creatures in the Vatican have a way to run yet before they get their due comeuppance. Never doubt it.

    But there is a while to go yet. Brace yourselves you ain't seen nothing yet, believe me.
     
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  20. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    It's hard to hit that like link on a post like this but I believe it is the truth and have for quite some time now. It strikes me as the abomination spoken about in the book of Revelation. (The removal of the consecration that is) The time sure seems to be growing shorter and I for one am scared of the wrath of our Lord but also ecstatic. It is Lucifer who is frightened because he knows HIS time is short and will be coming to an END. We all need to be praying for our Church, leaders and God's mercy regularly that is for certain. Satan is going to go all out soon and will be after those consecrated to the Lord without ceasing.

    I often think I chose a heck of a time to come to the RCC. On the other hand, it was exactly because of the trials and tribulations that the Church has been subjected to that opened my eyes to it. I am just grateful that I am here now and able to pray and attend Mass and receive the Host while we are still able.
     

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