So you are able to judge the interior disposition to every person in that situation in the world-even though the Church clearly states:God judges the heart, man by appearances. Foolish in the extreme!
I share that suspicion. As for anyone thinking you might be Joe C, that makes me smile. One thing I noted about your responses were they were brief! No chance of you being Joe
It might come as a bit of a shock to your system. But the Church teaches that unrepentant adulterers cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5v18/21
Once again you fail to make the clear magisterial disticintion between those in objective grave sin and those actually in mortal sin. Its a massive difference between spitual life or death
If you are not fulfilling the 3 requirements for it to be mortal sin, you are still very much part of the Kingdom of God.
We believers are actually called to a higher standard for Jesus said whoever looks at a woman lustfully has already commited adultery in his heart. It is from within that the seeds of sin sprout so we need to pray for the grace to identify the roots of sin within our souls.
You were quick enough accuse me earlier of judging the interior disposition of people's souls when I did no such thing. So you judged me! One can judge an action. If some one murders another we can call them murderers. If someone commits adultery they are adulterers. To state that some acts are intrinsically evil makes a judgement of the action.
What I did was critisize you for suggesting you know they are all in mortal sin. I stand by that. You seem to not grasp the fact you cannot possibly know if all 3 requirements are met by every single person on the planet in irregular situations. What you correctly state is that they are all committing sins of grave matter. No priest would say you have the right to say that are definately in mortal sin. Did you read the passages I copied from the CDF doc?
That's nice to know, but I doubt St. Gennaro would approve of the attemtp to distribute Holy Communion to the divorced and remarried.
Those that are divorced and remarried and who refuse to live as brother and sister and refrain from sexual relations are, unless they are invincibly ignorant, living in a state of mortal sin. Pope Francis could have used Amoris Latetia as a teaching moment for these people and educated these ignorant people. Tell me, Smudger, where in Amoris Latetia does Pope Francis spend time educating the invincibly ignorant with the Catechism of the Catholic Church?
Whether or not a divorced and remarried Catholic who refuses to refrain from sexual relations meets all three requirements for mortal sin is IRRELEVANT to the issue at hand. If invincible ignorance was the central issue of Amoris Latetia, then all Pope Francis would have to do is direct these ignorant people to read the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Instead, Kasper and Company are trying to create a pathway for the divorced and remarried (who do not live as brother and sister) to recieve Holy Communion with Church approval.
The mistake you make is that laws/rules/teachings etc do not cover passions, emotions and the complexities of everyday life. Invincible ignorance is irrelevant.You are totally wrong. Invincible ignorance is not the same issue as wheher you givie your full consent when under great temptation-especially in the area of human sexuality. Jesus is a divine Person with a great sacred and merciful heart. He is not a rule book. "What I want is mercy not sacrifice"
Your sophistry knows no bounds, Smudger. It's clear you have an agenda here. Are you a Freemason by chance?
Freemason? If I told my family and friends (and the many priests I know) they would probably think they were dreaming. Feel free to point out the false arguments. Mine come from authenic catholic theology-as I showed with various passages from the CDF. Silly comments dont help your argument. Try using passages from the Catechism or other magisterial documents. Prove me wrong
I'll let your pages of sophistry speak for themselves. I'll let Christ's words in Sacred Scripture and the 2,000 year consistent teaching of the Catholic Church speak for itself. As for arguments, you have no arguments. There is no argument for permitting divorced and remarried Catholics (who refuse to live as brother and sister) to recieve Communion. There is no pathway and if the Pope attempts to create one the Holy Spirit will prevent him from doing so.
It simply amazes me how much time, angst and effort people here are spending on some matters here at MOG! Matters of which they have limited knowledge and ZERO control. Time may be better spent seeing to the stocking of your larders, water -n- battery supply and/or the wellbeing of ...................................................... Eh!!?? GOD SAVE ALL HERE!! View attachment 5900
What a suprise. Not one fact! Not one to back up your silly attacks! Its not enough to throw around accusations and name calling. Mature debate is about presnting facts to back you up. You cant for one simple reason: Nothing in Catholic teaching backs up the idea that mortal sin doeasnt involve 3 requirments.
