What??!! Are you seriously suggesting it is prudent to NOT tell people that they are OFFENDING GOD so as they can claim ignorance at their judgement?!? "...so many seem more interested in stopping grace...." WE don't dole out grace!! Nobody is stopping grace from being received by these sinful people but themselves.
I am no stating my own opinion, its what used to happen-you know in the good old days before vatican II when everything was so rosy! These "sinful" people? Isnt it better to think of your own sin insted of pointing the finger? We are all sinners!!
Pointing a finger? Why am I in the confessional every Saturday? Yes, I sin. Thank God someone loved me enough to TELL ME I was offending Almighty God. Yes, LOVED me enough to tell me the Truth. Truth IS love. It is not loving to encourage ignorance, it is hate.
Pope to His Favorite Journalist: "All the Divorced who ask will be admitted [to Communion]" - See more at: http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2015/11/bombshell-pope-to-his-favorite.html#sthash.WlyWBLpO.dpuf
Yes truht is love. I couldnt agree more. But you have to realize that truth includes that fact that not all divorced and remarried are automaticaaly in mortal sin? You cannot know that, I cannot know that.
Don even bother with that rubbish. He never takes notes and manipulates the truth. The Vatican already said his recollecions canno be trusted
cop out....http://www.onepeterfive.com/fool-me-twice-francis-scalfari-and-our-response-to-papal-media/
What respected journalist doesnt take notes? Come off it. A 95 year old atheist who has his own agenda. Ask yourself why he doesnt take notes?
Pope Francis gives the interviews. He has not corrected them. Pope Francis is at minimum responsible for the scandals.
What I have written today is shown in the CDf's document Perona Humana from 1975 on sexual morals. No more , no less. I ask those who are opposed to Pope Francis view on mortal sin and the question of subjective guilt to read it carefully: "It is true that in sins of the sexual order, in view of their kind and their causes, it more easily happens that free consent is not fully given; this is a fact which calls for caution in all judgment as to the subject's responsibility. In this matter it is particularly opportune to recall the following words of Scripture: "Man looks at appearances but God looks at the heart."[25] However, although prudence is recommended in judging the subjective seriousness of a particular sinful act, it in no way follows that one can hold the view that in the sexual field mortal sins are not committed. Pastors of souls must therefore exercise patience and goodness; but they are not allowed to render God's commandments null, nor to reduce unreasonably people's responsibility. "To diminish in no way the saving teaching of Christ constitutes an eminent form of charity for souls. But this must ever be accompanied by patience and goodness, such as the Lord Himself gave example of in dealing with people. Having come not to condemn but to save, He was indeed intransigent with evil, but merciful towards individuals." and this concerning homosexual unions: In the pastoral field, these homosexuals must certainly be treated with understanding and sustained in the hope of overcoming their personal difficulties and their inability to fit into society. Their culpability will be judged with prudence. But no pastoral method can be employed which would give moral justification to these acts on the grounds that they would be consonant with the condition of such people. For according to the objective moral order, homosexual relations are acts which lack an essential and indispensable finality. In Sacred Scripture they are condemned as a serious depravity and even presented as the sad consequence of rejecting God.[18] This judgment of Scripture does not of course permit us to conclude that all those who suffer from this anomaly are personally responsible for it, but it does attest to the fact that homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered and can in no case be approved of." Pope Francis believes you can go to hell if you live in mortal sin, but he knows as did other popes, that not everyone is in a state of mortal sin, and they need help. If he was doing as some here suggest, he would openly say remarriage is fine and mortal sin no longer a truth of the faith. He was careful in AL to say in some cases the sacraments could be received. Why only some? Because some will be in mortal sin and others not.
A previous Pope has already covered that issue in regard to people living in second unions without an annulment. His decision was grounded in Tradition and Sacred Scripture and expressed clearly (no attempt to hide it in a footnote). The problem with AL and the reason for the dubia is that there is no clear interpretation of what the document means. One Bishop says it means something that another bishop says it can't possibly mean. The Holy Spirit doesn't inspire documents that cause confusion even among "the elect". Even applying the best possible motives to Pope Francis, he is damaging the office of papacy. You and the secular press no doubt love him, but being popular with secularists or adulterers isn't necessarily a plus point for a Pope.
Dont forget Pope Francis has already said what the interpretation is: Communion is allowed under certain circumstances. the confusion is only because some bishops are trying to not follow his lead. the dubia has already been answered clearly in the document to those who want to listen.
Can you list the "certain circumstances"? I don't think so. Neither can anyone else because they aren't contained in the document, hence the dubia because there is now a situation in the Universal Church whereby what is considered adultery and sinful in one diocese (or even parish where priests have decided they understand what are the circumstances) is considered a state of grace in a neighbouring diocese or parish. That's not the work of the Holy Spirit and the buck stops with the Pope to fix it. He can do so by clearly stating what are the circumstances and explaining how they comply with established Doctrine and Tradition.
Thanks, Dean, for posting the link. It's a timely reminder for us to learn our faith and pray for the Church and all our Bishops. Have you read the translation of St. Robert Bellarmine's book about the AC? http://mediatrixpress.com/?p=713 Apologies to everyone for going off-topic but I'm wondering whether I would find the book hard going.
I believe that Pope Francis responded earlier when asked the same questions to look to the writing or interpretation given by C. Schonborn as the correct one. Within the demands of the "examiners" of the Pope there is also the responsibility of naming those conditions that they themselves would consider situations that would not fully contain all of the conditions demanded by the law of the Church and which need to be educated or re-educated, and if honest, consider whether these are within the consideration being made by Pope Francis. And then, within those particular situations, just how (as the Pope seems to be attempting to answer) the shepherds of the Church, within their true and full calling, are to enter into such cultures where there exists distrust of the clergy for historical reasons, permanent societal norms accepting abuse of women at many levels, marriages within the auspices of the Church and therefore valid as far as externals are concerned but which accept the norm of mistresses or where only the wealthy can obtain annulments, deserved or not, but within an expected time limit in order to "get on with life"....and where then the poor give up, believing annulments are unobtainable for them for those obvious and many reasons. All of these types of situations are everyday norms in the culture out of which Pope Francis came. For decades good shepherds within these types of cultural norms and histories which include abuse by those in authoritative clerical positions have felt abandoned by the hierarchical Church to take notice and at least acquaint themselves with the barriers. When this didn't happen the "garden" was ripe for the takeover by the more involved and persistent Protestants. Christ gave an example of breaking such barriers set up by cultures when for instance He "went to the fringes" or situations that were considered anathema by the ruling class, and "accompanied" such a one at a well. (He sorta left the "choir" to themselves) Nothing was stated as finalized in this "break through" test except for the working of the Spirit of Christ gradually moving within the woman....not at first since the distance or barrier between the two had to be recognized; then a more convincing "knowledge" or ability to read hearts or souls by this Person started the ball rolling; evolving into a trust and even respect for this Person resulting in the fruit of change within the mind of the woman to the point where she became the best evangelizer within her own community! It would seem then that Pope Francis still believes in these same charisms existing still in the believing consecrated of today by transference from Christ to them in order to form true conversions for such sinners. In the end it's still the heart and mind that matter when it comes to true conversion. "Just what did you expect to find in the desert when you went out to see John the Baptist? Men in fine robes and fine clothing? Such are found in palaces, not in these kinds of conditions"!! Anyone truly interested in such outreach would have to give up any attachment to the "cappa magna".....he wouldn't be able to pack it in the allowable suitcases!! So, what do the "examiners" of the Pope demand of themselves when it comes to "convincing" other sinners of the truer life, grounded by the law....and which situations would they admit publicly must be entered into on their own part to bring forth the perfection they demand of the unconverted, even within the Church?! Due to the sins of the shepherds of the Church themselves there is a lot of ground to be made up which goes beyond the black and white demanded to be declared on paper....but without honestly taking into consideration all of those other nasty elephants sitting openly in all of those uncomfortable questions.
https://veritas-vincit-international.org/tag/communion-for-divorced-and-remarried/ In Familiaris Consortio [Saint] Pope John Paul II had stated that couples in adulterous second unions can only receive the Eucharist if they separate, or, if they cannot separate for “serious reasons,” then they live together as “brother and sister” – i.e. without sexual relations. However, Cardinal Müller clarified that this Magisterial teaching cannot change, and that, even if the pope intended to do so, the conditions for changing such a serious matter are not present in Amoris Laetitia. If Amoris Laetitia intended to rescind such a deeply rooted and such a weighty discipline, it would have expressed itself in a clear manner and it would have given the reasons for it. However, such a statement with such a meaning is not to be found in [Amoris Laetitia]. Nowhere does the pope put into question the arguments of his predecessors. They are not based upon the subjective guilt of these our brothers and sisters, but, rather, upon the visible, objective way of life which is in opposition to the words of Christ.
Don't get too comfortable with that presumption Padraig. There are other forums on this website I can read while dipping in and out off this one. Therefore I may not agree with your assertion that the Pope is false, I'm willing to stay here as there are enough good reasons to do so.
I didn't know that the blood of saints, quite dead, could liquefy in the presence, and on days not the norm for the miracle, of any "big rat" from "the Vatican"....nor for that matter a suffering and possessed person could be comforted or released from such a burden either by such a "big rat" living within the Vatican!!
P.S. to my comment above.....or the brain tumors of young children be reduced or disappear after a loving kiss from such a "big rat within the Vatican".
“Jesus answered and said to them: ‘Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, “I am the Christ,” and will deceive many’ .... For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. (Matthew 24)
