Prophets of Old and New Testament and the periods preceding the End of the world

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The period in which we are living now

  1. The period before the Tribulation

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  2. The Tribulation

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  3. The Era of the peace

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  4. The last apostasy and the final Chastisement

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  1. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    Apostle John 12 (Part V consisting of 1 vision/7)


    (LV) The time of Church, mystical woman, - historical level of this vision; Mary as Mother of Church – mystical level of this vision.

    (John) A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1260 days. Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

    The Kingdom of Christ, starting from Redemption and completing in the Era of the Peace

    Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
    “Now have come the salvation and the power
    and the kingdom of our God,
    and the authority of his Messiah.
    For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,
    who accuses them before our God day and night,
    has been hurled down.
    They triumphed over him
    by the blood of the Lamb
    and by the word of their testimony;
    they did not love their lives so much
    as to shrink from death.
    Therefore rejoice, you heavens
    and you who dwell in them!
    But woe to the earth and the sea,
    because the devil has gone down to you!
    He is filled with fury,
    because he knows that his time is short.”


    The last apostasy and the last Tribulation

    When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach. Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.


    To be continued... (Revelation Part VI)
     
  2. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    Apostle John 13,14 (Part VI consisting of 2 visions/7)


    (LV) The first Lucifer’s archangel – the demon of power and masonary

    (John) The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast. People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?” The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.Whoever has ears, let them hear.
    “If anyone is to go into captivity,
    into captivity they will go.
    If anyone is to be killedc with the sword,
    with the sword they will be killed.”
    This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God’s people.

    The second Lucifer’s archangel – the demon of false doctrines and false Church

    Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

    Antichrist

    This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666.
    My Notice: Transcribe the latin name of Antichrist into hebrew alphabet and count the letters with numerical values. The number is really 666.


    Faithful Church

    Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.

    The Warning

    Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth—to every nation, tribe, language and people. He said in a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water.” A second angel followed and said, “ ‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great,’a which made all the nations drink the maddening wine of her adulteries.” A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.” This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.

    The Final Chastisement anf End of the World

    Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.” Harvesting the Earth and Trampling the Winepress I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one like a son of man with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, “Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested. Another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle. Still another angel, who had charge of the fire, came from the altar and called in a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, “Take your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of grapes from the earth’s vine, because its grapes are ripe.” The angel swung his sickle on the earth, gathered its grapes and threw them into the great winepress of God’s wrath. They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses’ bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia.

    To be continued... (Revelation Part VII)
     
  3. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    Apostle John 15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22 (Part VII consisting of 9 visions/7)
    Section I. – pre-Warning period

    (LV) Seven mental and spiritual plagues for the Corruption

    (John) After this I looked, and I saw in heaven the temple—that is, the tabernacle of the covenant law—and it was opened. Out of the temple came the seven angels with the seven plagues. They were dressed in clean, shining linen and wore golden sashes around their chests. Then one of the four living creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden bowls filled with the wrath of God, who lives for ever and ever. And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from his power, and no one could enter the temple until the seven plagues of the seven angels were completed. Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, “Go, pour out the seven bowls of God’s wrath on the earth.” The first angel went and poured out his bowl on the land, and ugly, festering sores broke out on the people who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The second angel poured out his bowl on the sea, and it turned into blood like that of a dead person, and every living thing in the sea died. The third angel poured out his bowl on the rivers and springs of water, and they became blood. Then I heard the angel in charge of the waters say: “You are just in these judgments, O Holy One, you who are and who were; for they have shed the blood of your holy people and your prophets, and you have given them blood to drink as they deserve.” And I heard the altar respond: “Yes, Lord God Almighty, true and just are your judgments.” The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was allowed to scorch people with fire. They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him. The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom was plunged into darkness. People gnawed their tongues in agony and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done. The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East. Then I saw three impure spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. They are demonic spirits that perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty. Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake and remains clothed, so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed.” Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon. The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, “It is done!” Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquake. No earthquake like it has ever occurred since mankind has been on earth, so tremendous was the quake. The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath. Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found. From the sky huge hailstones, each weighing about a hundred pounds,a fell on people. And they cursed God on account of the plague of hail, because the plague was so terrible.


    The Corrupt civilization and Antichrist

    One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits by many waters. With her the kings of the earth committed adultery, and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.”Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. The name written on her forehead was a mystery:
    BABYLON THE GREAT
    THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES
    AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
    I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God’s holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus. When I saw her, I was greatly astonished. Then the angel said to me: “Why are you astonished? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and ten horns. The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come. “This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction. “The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.” Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled. The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”
     
  4. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    Apostle John 15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22 (Part VII consisting of 9 visions/7)
    Section II. – the Warning and The period of Peace

    (LV) The Warning

    (John) After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven. He had great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his splendor. With a mighty voice he shouted:
    “ ‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!’a
    She has become a dwelling for demons
    and a haunt for every impure spirit,
    a haunt for every unclean bird,
    a haunt for every unclean and detestable animal.
    For all the nations have drunk
    the maddening wine of her adulteries.
    The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,
    and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.”
    Then I heard another voice from heaven say:
    “ ‘Come out of her, my people,’
    so that you will not share in her sins,
    so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
    for her sins are piled up to heaven,
    and God has remembered her crimes.
    Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her:
    death, mourning and famine.
    She will be consumed by fire,
    for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.
    Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea, and said:
    “With such violence
    the great city of Babylon will be thrown down,
    never to be found again.

    The Kingdom of Christ, starting from Redemption and completing in the Era of the Peace


    After this I heard what sounded like the roar of a great multitude in heaven shouting:
    “Hallelujah!
    Salvation and glory and power belong to our God,
    for true and just are his judgments.
    He has condemned the great prostitute
    who corrupted the earth by her adulteries.
    He has avenged on her the blood of his servants.”
    And again they shouted:
    “Hallelujah!
    The smoke from her goes up for ever and ever.”
    The twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God, who was seated on the throne. And they cried:
    “Amen, Hallelujah!”
    Then a voice came from the throne, saying:
    “Praise our God,
    all you his servants,
    you who fear him,
    both great and small!”
    Then I heard what sounded like a great multitude, like the roar of rushing waters and like loud peals of thunder, shouting:
    “Hallelujah!
    For our Lord God Almighty reigns.
    Let us rejoice and be glad
    and give him glory!
    For the wedding of the Lamb has come,
    and his bride has made herself ready.
    Fine linen, bright and clean,
    was given her to wear.”
    Then the angel said to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!” And he added, “These are the true words of God.”
    At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For it is the Spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus.”
    I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.”a He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:
    KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
    And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”
    Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.
    And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time. I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
    My notice: 1000 years is a symbolic time starting from Crucifixion until the Last Judgement. The codemnation of Lucifer and False Prophet (syn. Antichrist) is only temporary. They will be spiritually threw into flames.
     
  5. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    Apostle John 15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22 (Part VII consisting of 9 visions/7)
    Section III. – The last apostasy and the Last Judgement, New Heaven and New Earth

    (LV) The second period of Antichrist

    (John) When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

    The Last Judgement

    Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

    New Heaven and New Earth

    Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”a for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away. One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life. Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.

    THE END
     
  6. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    God gives you throught LV the clue to understanding the Revelation and the timeline of future events. Who lives in the Wisdom and reads this words by mystical way, he will understand these words. The timeline is already known:
    The corruption of mankind
    The pre-antichristian period
    The corruption of the church (the first Antichristian period and the first Tribulation)
    (we are here)
    The Warning (the New Pentecost)
    The Era of peace (the spiritual Kingdom of Christ - little time to convert)
    The Removal of Sacrifice (the second Antichristian period and the second Tribulation)
    The last apostasy (Satan Last Coming)
    The final Chastisement (3 Days of Darkness)
    The Second Coming
    The Final Judgement
    The New Heaven and the New Earth or Hell
     
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  7. The corruption of mankind
    The pre-antichristian period
    The corruption of the church
    (we are here)
    The Warning
    New Pentecost (little time to convert)
    The removal of sacrifice, Antichrist, Persecution of the Church, One World Religion, martyrdom etc.
    3 Days of Darkness (Chastisement)
    The Era of peace (the spiritual Kingdom of Christ)
    Satan Last Coming
    The Second Coming
    The Final Judgement
     
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  8. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    According to Garabandal, the Era of peace should be before the Chastisement.
    I invite some Garabandalists to discussion. What do you think about the Era of peace and the Chastisement?
     
  9. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    LV. I am not certain that the Garabandal seers gave any specifics about the Era of Peace but I do know that they were told that the Chastisement is conditional and will be based on man's reaction to the Warning and the Miracle. In other words, if man turns back to God, converts if necessary and repents for his sins then the Chastisement will not occur. But I also have seen interviews in which Conchita states that she does not believe that man will do what God is asking and she is very concerned that the Chastisement will in fact happen.

    PofP, I think you believed that the AC was at the very end, have you changed your mind? Because I started wondering about what you and LV have stated and after reading Saint Anne Catherine Emmerich's prophecy, like Revelation, she states that a Beast will appear before the WCWTS gives birth which would be some time before 9/23/17 we think. In other words, she does not say it is the AC. So all of this had me wondering if it could be possible that Daniel's 70th week happens after the Era of Peace, I haven't gone back to scripture to try and figure this out yet but is it possible that with man's free will that we could delay the chastisement until after the Era of Peace? In other prophecies of St.ACE she brings up the AC but again I haven't tried to put the puzzle pieces together yet.

    LV, Has in my opinion, brought the most crucial question, when will the Chastisement happen? Does it really need to happen before the Era of Peace?
     
  10. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    God is simple, Scripture is simple, Mysticism is simple... Only human thinking is very complicated.
    Man is not allowed to know God's ways, for man is very curious. Chastisement will occur in one early spring as said Padre Pio. You do not need to know other events, because almost all people will die during the three days, especially those, who are attached to the earth by the bonds of flesh. I know year and month of the final Chastisement, but I do not think, that I will be still alive at that time. If we knew the future scourges... PofP is mistaking the Era of Peace with the New Pentecost. The Scripture says clearly about the timeline, I quoted it from Prophets. My aim of this thread was to show faults in prophecies of false prophets.
     
  11. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    Now I invite those, who understand the mystic language, to translate the voice of the first and second trumpet. They are having heard. And 3th and 4th also, but I cannot publicly reveal their voice. I called them "Corruption of mankind", but the better name would be "Corruption of souls and spirits"
     
  12. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    I think is it wishful thinking on my part or human nature to want to believe that the Chastisement can be moved until after the Era of Peace but after re-reading Revelation once again I would bet that PofP has the correct order of events.
     
  13. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    I have read it almost hunder times, but the order of PofP is in contradiction with the Revelation. You maybe don't see the John's style of writing. He has his timeline and expands in every vision another point of this timeline. The events in Apocalypse are and are not written chronologically. They are, because he always follows the timeline. They aren't, because in every vision he returns to beginning of his timeline.
    And if someone cannot see this contradiction, he should return to Daniel and meditate about his prophecy. Daniel's timeline about the AC is clue to undestanding the Revelation.
    But this is not important what people mean, what I mean. The Punishment will be severe and only few people will remain alive. All beauty will be destroyed. And those remaining alive will long for their death...
     
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  14. There will be the chastisement before the era of peace which will clean the whole world and this is the 3 days of darkness. The era of peace begins in the end of the 3 days of darkness.

    I believe that after the warning a lot of people will convert and because of that God will forgive the world and give us more time to put the house in order. It will be like a truce. It will not last more than 20 or 30 years.
     
  15. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    This sentence, you don't know to expain and to realize, abolishes your theory. The timeline of which prophet you quoted? He is clearly false.
    The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.
     
  16. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    I agree that all of Revelation is not chronological but I will offer you this. I kept trying to determine if the beast appears before or after the WCWTS gives birth. If the answer is before, then the order of events continues from Rev 12 through at least until the beast is destroyed which should be "two and forty months" from the time when the beast appeared. If you read what St.ACE has stated she saw the beast while the woman was pregnant, therefore, I believe that the beast will appear before 9/23/17 and 42 months later something occurs to oust the beast (chastisement?). Here is St. Anne Catherine Emmerich's vision which I am referring to:
    August to October, 1820
    “I see more martyrs, not now but in the future…I saw the secret sect relentlessly undermining the great Church. Near them I saw a horrible beast coming up from the sea… All over the world, good and devout people especially the clergy were harassed oppressed and put into prison. I had the feeling that they would become martyrs one day.”

    “When the Church had been for the most part destroyed [by the secret sect], and when only the sanctuary and altar were still standing, I saw the wreckers enter the Church with the Beast. There they met a Woman of noble carriage who seemed to be with child because she walked slowly. At this sight, the enemies were terrorized, and the Beast could not take but another step forward. It projected its neck towards the Woman as if to devour her, but the Woman turned about and bowed down [towards the altar], her head touching the ground. Thereupon, I saw the Beast taking to flight towards the sea again, and the enemies were fleeing in the greatest confusion…. Then, I saw in the great distance great legion approaching. In the foreground I saw a man on a white horse. Prisoners were set free and joined them. All enemies were pursued. Then, I saw that the Church was being promptly rebuilt, and she was more magnificent than ever before….”
    http://www.catholicrevelations.org/PR/bl anna maria katarina emmerick.htm



     
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  17. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    I understand what you are saying but there is more then one beast mentioned also.
    My previous post is a guess of course, they're all guesses contingent on so many things.
    I edited my previous post also, I keep going back and forth about when the Chastisement will occur.
     
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  18. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    42 months = september 20XY-march 20AB=1290 days
    It is time of Removal Sacrifice, when AC will be apparent more than now. He was (hidden) in first period . He will be destroyed by the Warning and will be not during the time of peace. He will rise again (openly) to destroy the Holy mass in the Second period. Therefore Era of peace must be during the life of one man-AC. And this contradicts the previous theory of yours.
     
  19. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    The Word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. And It is going to pierce all false prophets!

    GOSPEL Mt 24

    First seal with its first Plague
    Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many.
    Second seal with its second Plague
    You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
    Third seal with its third Plague
    There will be famines
    Forth seal with its forth Plague
    and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains.
    Fifth seal with its fith Plague
    “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.

    First trumpet with its First Scourge (Thunder)
    At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.
    Second trumpet with its Second Scourge
    Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.

    uncategorized - since Crucifixion up to Last Day
    And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

    The Third, Fourth and Fifth trumpet and their scourges
    “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you ahead of time.
    “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

    Sixth Seal with its sixt Plague and Sixth trumpet and Sixth scourge
    “Immediately after the distress of those days
    ‘the sun will be darkened,
    and the moon will not give its light;
    the stars will fall from the sky,
    and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’

    The Seventh seal with its seventh Plague and Seventh trumpet and Seventh scourge
    “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
     
  20. josephite

    josephite Powers

    Little Voice, Carol and Prince of peace and who ever wants to comment, how do you see the La Salette prophesies fitting into what we read in Holy Scripture as well as many other approved mystics, about end times.
    I think like revelations and the writtings of blessed Anne Catherine Emeric, LaSalette, may not be able to be understood in a lineal sense.


    Melanie along with Maximin, are the two seers of the apparition of LaSalette. After giving it by word of mouth an incalculable number of times, Melanie decided to write it all down in 1878. It was published at Lecce on the 15th of November 1879 – with the “Imprimatur” of Bishop Zola - and reprinted “ne varietur” at Lyon in 1904, a few months before Melanie's death. This slim booklet is now a rarity.

    The Most Holy Virgin spoke to me and gave me a secret in French. Here is this secret in its entirety as she gave it to me.

    “Melanie, what I am about to tell you now will not always be a secret. You may make it public in 1858.


    “The priests, ministers of my Son, the priests, by their wicked lives, by their irreverence and their impiety in the celebration of the holy mysteries, by their love of money, their love of honors and pleasures, and the priests have become cesspools of impurity. Yes, the priests are asking vengeance, and vengeance is hanging over their heads. Woe to the priests and to those dedicated to God who by their unfaithfulness and their wicked lives are crucifying my Son again! The sins of those dedicated to God cry out towards Heaven and call for vengeance, and now vengeance is at their door, for there is no one left to beg mercy and forgiveness for the people. There are no more generous souls; there is no one left worthy of offering a stainless sacrifice to the Eternal for the sake of the world.

    “God will strike in an unprecedented way.

    “Woe to the inhabitants of the earth! God will exhaust His wrath upon them and no one will be able to escape so many afflictions together.

    “The chiefs, the leaders of the people of God have neglected prayer and penance, and the devil has bedimmed their intelligence. They have become wandering stars which the old devil will drag along with his tail to make them perish. God will allow the old serpent to cause divisions among those who reign in every society and in every family. Physical and moral agonies will be suffered. God will abandon mankind to itself and will send punishments which will follow one after the other for more than thirty-five years.

    “The Society of men is on the eve of the most terrible scourges and of gravest events. Mankind must expect to be ruled with an iron rod and to drink from the chalice of the wrath of God.

    “May the curate of my Son, Pope Pius IX never leave Rome again after 1859; may he, however, be steadfast and noble, may he fight with the weapons of faith and love. I will be at his side. May he be on his guard against Napoleon: he is two-faced, and when he wishes to make himself Pope as well as Emperor, God will soon draw back from him. He is the master-mind who, always wanting to ascend further, will fall on the sword he wished to use to force his people to be raised up.

    “Italy will be punished for her ambition in wanting to shake off the yoke of the Lord of Lords. And so she will be left to fight a war; blood will flow on all sides. Churches will be locked up or desecrated. Priests and religious orders will be hunted down, and made to die a cruel death. Several will abandon the faith, and a great number of priests and members of religious orders will break away from the true religion; among these people there will even be bishops.

    “May the Pope guard against the performers of miracles. For the time has come when the most astonishing wonders will take place on the earth and in the air.
     
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