ANTONIO YAGüE ALERT: Warning Astro Visualized - CONFIRMED

According to the message above is the warning that will occur this year. I think that some violent riots would have to occur before the warning and communism take place with more power in the world... but everything is possible (although we have just 28 days to something big happen before the end of the year). I random opened the bible to see something and the message was to prepare to the death/judgment.

 

I mean one can just feel it coming.

 

I think that you said with anothers words what I wanted to say... There are many sins against God, thus against the Holy Spirit. But all are forgivable!!! Even the greatest sin to kill God in soul and to kill a soul of our neighbor IS FORGIVABLE. To preach against true prophet and to prevent God's grace is after doing penance forgivable too! But one sin is unforgivable: when God shows in personal judgement all events/murders of souls/ caused by our words and acts, we deny his Mercy. Only proud man can do this sin and go willingly into the Hell.

But that our judgement will not be severe, we cannot judge prophet and prevent the penance. If any prophet, false or true, claims penance, do penance. If he claims something what disturbs you, do not hear him but remain silent rather, because all people are more less sick. And sick ones consider even the medecine like poison and doesn't know discern between medicíne and poison. Always is better to remain still.

 

Strongly disagree about remaining silent in the face of false prophecy. Members of MOG were among those who uncovered the scam of "Maria Divine Mercy." Should they and other critics have remained silent in the face of what was actually an attack against the faith? It's like seeing a wolf ravage the flock and merely shaking our heads.

In the US there is a legal "duty to warn" that supersedes the confidentiality normally enforced in doctor-patient/attorney-client relationships. If there is an imminent threat to others, counselors, teachers and others must alert the authorities. The widespread notion that it is a sin to criticize a priest allowed some predators to abuse generations of Catholic kids. Sometimes whistle-blowers were shunned in their communities, and laughed off in chanceries. False messages from LTTW led some poor credulous souls to spend thousands on preps for a doom that didn't happen last fall. That despite the many red flags associated with that locutionist.

It is not always better to remain silent.

As for Antonio Yague, he's been proven wrong. November 13 has passed. I am amazed that people are still trying to argue the "science" of his claims using dubious photo illustrations. Others on this thread are arguing Nostradamus, condemned by the Vatican in the 1500s!

 

If the wolf is visible I agree with you. I condemn MDM' messages too because they were visible against Catholic doctrine. I thought prophets claiming penance and prayer without sensations like earthquakes, or other disasters. God never sent prophet to satisfy human curiosity. I thought prophets claiming conversion.

And to photos: They are maybe made by error of lens in CC's camera. It is very probable and already considering them like facts is pseudoscience. But I believe that they could be maybe real. And if they were real, I invented hypothesis more probable than AY's story was. I wait until 8th december. If the light circles will be visible after this date, it was really fake caused by refraction throught lens.

 

I think many people on this thread respect all of the analysis which Mr. Yague has done and since he has continued to put his time and efforts to his prediction some people have continued to consider them a possibility for some future date.
Just as you say that whistle-blowers are shunned in their communities, I think prophets can be shunned also until their prophecies have come to fruition. I don't believe that the church will always make the correct decision on prophets initially but with that said I respect the church's current decision. Notradamus is just one example of someone who has been misunderstood and it is quite possible at some future date this will change.
If you are referring to my posts on Notradamus I am hardly a follower of him and the 2 quatrains which I posted I found on another site which was analyzing his prophecies along side Catholic prophecies. I do believe that Notradamus has stated very similar information to several approved prophets but he preferred to write parables which are difficult for the average person to understand.

What amazes me is that with all of these messages that we analyze I believe that there are many people who do not heed the message, I pray that if we are not good soldiers of Christ currently that we will at the very least make that a goal for the near future because if one thing is certain time is running out.

Peace to you.

 

Nicely said Carol

 

It's not all about you, Carol. Others also posted about Nostradamus. Through a quick Google search, it's easy to discover his 1555 book was condemned by the Vatican. In addition, the Catechism of the Catholic Church is quite clear about astrology:

Paragraph 2115: "God can reveal the future to his prophets or to other saints.
Still, a Christian attitude consists in putting oneself confidently into the hands of Providence for whatever concerns the future and giving up all unhealthy curiosity about it. Improvidence, however, can constitute a lack of responsibility.

"2116: All forms of *divination* are to be rejected: recourse to Satan or demons, conjuring up the dead or other practices falsely supposed to 'unveil' the future. Consulting horoscopes, astrology, palm reading, interpretation of omens and lots, the phenomena of clairvoyance and recourse to mediums all conceal a desire for power over time, history, and in the last analysis, other human beings, as well as a wish to conciliate hidden powers. They contradict the honor, respect and loving fear that we owe to God alone."

EWTN also has debunking information on Nostradamus from experts. It is virtually impossible to believe the Catholic Church will ever change its mind on Nostradamus.

As for Yague, scientists take Carl Sagan's aphorism as a starting point: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." There's an EWTN answer in Spanish about him as well (Google). I don't see any peer-reviewed articles in physics/astronomy journals, but perhaps you will find some.

 

I never said that it was all about me. Thank you for all the information but I think that you have missed my point.

 

You asked if I was talking about you with the Nostradamus discussion. The answer was that you were one of many making the same mistake. I don't think I missed either the point or the subtext, but I could be wrong.

 

Yes, I would definitely say that you missed my point.

 

Perhaps you should explain it then. ETA: I was focusing on the idea of the church changing its position. And since the quatrains are so ambiguous, it's difficult to support the notion that Nostradamus predictions are similar to those of saints.

 

My point was that this is not all about Notradamus, Antonio Yague, Charlie Johnston or any of the saints for that matter. But it is about the message of Christ, to be the best person we can be. Love your neighbor as your self, etc.
I inferred that the church may change on Notradamus but I said that he was misunderstood and maybe that would change in the future. If you are interested in reading his prophecies you can find them online and he does offer some specifics about what will happen to a future pope but I am in no position to debate them because like I said before I am not a follower of him.

 

I'm jumping in again because I too have followed AY's theories. He tried and is trying to match Garabandal with the alignment of stars in an attempt to interpret the information we have from the seers.

In no way is he distracting us from our faith. We are chatting about him, becoming "thread friends " as we discuss his thoughts.

That's how I see it.

 

I do understand your point, JAK. My response quoted above came at a time when it seemed there was a "piling on."

At any rate, about Yague (and Nostradamus), seriously I don't think at the end of the day delving into unproven/fringe science theories or predictions arising from astrology (always forbidden to Catholics) can't help but distract from the faith. One of the themes of Pope Benedict's pontificate and writings was the faith is not opposed to reason. Whatever Yague's intentions, the work he was doing was not science as commonly accepted by scientists or by society. Science done properly reveals the Mind and Work of God. Folk science, science done without rigor, is either false or unsustainable in the end. I can't see how it can "honorably" be used in the investigation of prophecy (honorably is not the word, but I can't think of one at the moment). It ought to be possible to talk about the validity of an issue without being turned into a personal affront.

But it's Padraig's bandwidth.

 

Today's science is greater pseudoscience than AY's predictions. If science proclaims neodarwinism or other ...ism, which is only another name for satanISM, and satanism or science without God never was and never will be the true science.
I respect Carlos Calzada for his idea to photograph the sun. I thank him publicly for all his photos. I respect AY that He recognized unknown planet and shared his invention. Although as scientist I cannot respect his hypothesis, I thank him also for all he's done. Maybe they are wrong partially or entirely, but they had courage to public their data.
All will be clear after 8th December. Consider, which of hypotheses is for our earth better. Collision with the sun and destruction of this planet, or a direct threat of Earth. God will choose the most merciful way.

 

Please take note that all of us here are aware astrology is forbidden. AY discusses this in his videos himself. This is not the astrology that thinks you were born a certain way and your personality is a certain type because you were born under Cancer, Capricorn, Aries, etc. This is Sacred Astronomy, and is perfectly acceptable in the Catholic view. This is what lead the Wise Men of the East to find Jesus following the Star of Bethlehem that God used to communicate a message - that Christ the King is born. Whereas astrology is the belief stars cause our destiny, astronomy is the study of the heavens and how God sometimes uses what He created to communicate with us. Whether you agree with AY's interpretation or not, please refrain from referring to it as astrology. This will falsely confuse anyone else who reads the thread.

 

I think it is time to start fresh on this thread and may be on other threads also, let us remember that we are discussing approved and unapproved prophecies and the church does not state that we are required to believe any of it. By starting fresh I mean that we should be able to debate these things without attacking the person who is the believer or those who are simply trying to understand what is being presented. If we could all agree to debate the prophecy in the most charitable way possible, I believe that we can say that what we are doing is to benefit each other but once it goes beyond that they we are damaging ourselves in the process. I am the one who brought up Notradamus on this thread because of the 2 suns prophecy (I did not discuss any astrology related material) but this thread is dedicated to Antonio Yague and since he states that he is offering predictions which may not come to pass, I don't see the harm in discussing those predictions which in many cases people have offered their theories as to why his predictions seem unlikely.

 

The "astrology" comment refers specifically to Nostradamus. (For discussion, http://www.ewtn.com/v/experts/showmessage.asp?number=330343&Pg=&Pgnu=&recnu=)

The folk science/fringe science comment refers to AY. Neither the Catholic Encyclopedia, nor EWTN, nor the Vatican website have entries or information on "Sacred Astronomy," which is not a recognized field of study in the Church or in any branch of the physical sciences. http://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/astronomy

Googling "Sacred Astronomy" brings up links from blogs and websites unaffiliated with the Church or with any scientific group or university.

I am all for charity. Charity and truth are closely linked.

 

Sacred Astronomy is an intermediate step between rationalism and spirituality. It cannot be our aim, but only instrument to personal holiness.
Hear my parable. Before 2000 years lived many rational scientists and many people searching truth, but only THREE wise men recognized the astronomical sign. Have Maria or Joseph, Elisabeth and Zechariah, needed to see the star? Not. They were spiritually alive and saw the spiritual light. Three "magoi" were pagans looking for truth and they follow the unknown star, ridiculed by others "magoi" and when they met Jesus in Betlehem, they have no more needed to see the star, because they became spiritually living and seeing the Eternal Star.
Here is my guidance for you:
- for sceptics: Don't be like many ancient scholar who have not recognized the Star of Universe, Jesus Christ, and allow others to prepare on His coming
- for believers in AY: You followed the voice of your heart and you came in Jerusalem. Ask men with Wisdom to show you, where is Betlehem (I answered you in other parable, consider what it means). But now you are called to became more spiritually sighted. You and AY too.
- for spiritually inspired and illuminated ones: Have patience with sceptics and with previous ones, but remember that God could use any star or planet to warn mankind, not only, as you think, to warn people by only mental experience.