Yes even atheists marriages are considered valid in the eyes of God. But seeing as we were talking of Catholic marriages I think quite a few could be invalid. Thank you David....The doctrine remains the same..... untouched! Only the pastoral care has changed. What we are talking about here is subjective accountability and any possible mitigating circumstances. A canon lawyer tells it how it is..... Those who think Amoris has cleared a path to the Communion rail for Catholics in irregular marriages are hearing words that the pope simply did not say. "Example: One who was baptized Catholic but raised without knowledge of that fact, is (incredibly) bound by canonical form and thus, if married outside of form, he or she would be, by definition, living in an irregular union. It would be ludicrous to refer to such a person as “living in sin”. I can offer a dozen more fact patterns that would duplicate this point." The law before ‘Amoris’ is the law after
It has always been available Frodo. Pastoral care now is taking into consideration the https://canonlawblog.wordpress.com/2016/04/10/the-law-before-amoris-is-the-law-after/
It is very obvious you are not searching for the truth. You have been presented with many Church documents showing your error. You do not even bother reading what you post as evident in posting "proof" when in actuality it is saying the opposite (And you call lifesitenews not credible?) It is almost laughable - if this weren't so serious - Are you really implying that Dr. Edward Peters agrees with the internal forum solution? I will waste no more time on this point since it is sufficiently clear to all you have eyes to see that your position is wrong and what your agenda is here. You are gravely mistaken and are a great danger to the souls on this forum. May God forgive you.
2 Timothy 4:3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, Then the Sacrament itself looses meaning Janet and so the bottom falls out of the Sacrament. Once the bottom falls out of the Sacrament what are you left with? The Early Christians lived in a totally Pagan and very hostile Society. They were mostly illiterate slaves. Yet they died in their myriad thousands and tens of thousands for that which they believed in. It was the same in Ireland down the centuries . These uneducated pesants were told this was the Body of Christ, they believed it and died for it. Countless thousands died down the centuries for their Faith , illiterate , totally uneducated, yet prepared to die for something they obviously totally believed in. So we honour these people as saints. Would you suggest that these people in places like Rome and Ireland who knew enough to die for their Faith might not have know enough to know what the Sacrament of Marriage was and what it involved? That they knew enough to die for their Faith , yet not enough to live for it? They were told that marriage was forever and died for this too. Died for it and lived for this truth for centuries. Now you are telling them this was wrong? In Ireland they beleived that King Henry vii was worng to divorce his wife. They died in their thousands owning this to be true. Poor illiterates, but the Church taught them this. What is it teaching them now? Have people with much better education and knowledge now not the Wisdom to know what marriage was when these uneducated slaves were prepared to die for their Faith? Can only those who are educated know the meaning of the Sacraments? Where is the role of the Holy Spirit in all this? If you claim that, as the Holy Father clearly indicated, the Sacrament of Matrimony , 'In the great majority of cases', is invalid, what of the Eucharist, the Sacrament of Reconciliation, Ordination? Could they too, not be said in the majority of cases, to be invalid..and if the large majority of our priests are not priests where does that leave us? Can only the clever and learned recieve the Eucharist or Marry and actually know what they are about? What on Earth did martyrs like St Thmas More and St John FIsher die for over King Henry's divorce, your thinking would have given King Henry the perfect out? People died for these truths, Janet. THEY DIED FOR THEM
Beware Janet , instead of defending the truth you are defending a very,very,very great evil, you shall have to answer for this before God. All our actions have consequences.. and this is no light matter. Bethink yourself and pray on this most serious and grave matter. For I do most solemnly assure you that you shall be called to answer for your words here at the Judgement Seat of the Most High God. Take Warning!!
...and yet what you teach is the very cause for which they gave their lives to oppose, the Sanctity of Marriage. Of which you claim that people often do not know what they are doing? Sorry let me quote the Holy Father aright , '..in the great majority of cases people do not know what they are doing' ? Pause here. Go away and pray; think before you write. My impression is that you are not praying about these things, for if you are how could you write them?
Let me also quote Sister Lucia of Fatima: http://www.onepeterfive.com/sister-...d-and-satan-will-be-over-family-and-marriage/ Q. There is a prophecy by Sister Lucia dos Santos, of Fatima, which concerns “the final battle between the Lord and the kingdom of Satan”. The battlefield is the family. Life and the family. We know that you were given charge by John Paul II to plan and establish the Pontifical Institute for the Studies on Marriage and the Family. >Yes, I was. At the start of this work entrusted to me by the Servant of God John Paul II, I wrote to Sister Lucia of Fatima through her Bishop as I couldn’t do so directly. Unexplainably however, since I didn’t expect an answer, seeing that I had only asked for prayers, I received a very long letter with her signature – now in the Institute’s archives. In it we find written: the final battle between the Lord and the reign of Satan will be about marriage and the family. Don’t be afraid, she added, because anyone who operates for the sanctity of marriage and the family will always be contended and opposed in every way, because this is the decisive issue. And then she concluded: however, Our Lady has already crushed its head. Talking also to John Paul II, you felt too that this was the crux, as it touches the very pillar of creation, the truth of the relationship between man and woman among the generations. If the founding pillar is touched the entire building collapses and we see this now, because we are at this point and we know it. And I’m moved when I read the best biographies of Padre Pio , on how this man was so attentive to the sanctity of marriage and the sanctity of the spouses, even with justifiable rigor on occasion. Thus I make it known to you that from the end of the 19th century and shortly after the middle of the 20th century…the passions will erupt and there will be a total corruption of morals… As for the Sacrament of Matrimony, which symbolizes the union of Christ with His Church, it will be attacked and deeply profaned. Freemasonry, which will then be in power, will enact iniquitous laws with the aim of doing away with this Sacrament, making it easy for everyone to live in sin and encouraging procreation of illegitimate children born without the blessing of the Church… In this supreme moment of need for the Church, the one who should speak will fall silent.” The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres…churches and altars sacked; the Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord.”
'In this supreme moment of need for the Church, the one who should speak will fall silent.” Any idea who this might be , Sister Lucia the visionary of Fatima, was refering to , Janet? “the great majority of our sacramental marriages are null”. Pope Francis
Approved apparition......”God has given us a sign for our current times, with Emeritus Pope Benedict XVI and Pope Francis: the Emeritus Pope prays in silence, in humility and worship for the Pope who must speak to the world and take action. Thereby, we must come together and pray a lot for the Church. Satan today creates confusion in many countries and he also wants the confusion to invade the Vatican. He wants above all to destroy the Church and thus attack the center of the Church, by removing the Pope and the Vatican. But the Virgin Mary intervenes to protect the Church, and that is why She appears in different places in the entire world. ” .http://www.miraclehunter.com/…/itapiranga/index.html
Apparently it was said in a letter Sr Lucia wrote or it was documented that Sr Lucia said this? Does anyone know in what interview that this was documented or if it is in a letter, who did she addressed this letter to?
It is not from Our Lady of Good Success. How could a quote from Sister Lucy be from a series of apparitions hundreds of years ago? Josephite I knew at one point who it was written to. I will see if I can find it again. I think it is from a letter Sister Lucy wrote to the people who were heading the Catholic institute on marriage and the family in Rome. I believe that was started by St. Pope John Paul II.
Sorry it was right in Padraig's link. It was sent to and is in the archives of The Pontifical Institute for the Studies on Marriage and the Family started by St. Pope John Paul II. From Padraig's link: Q. There is a prophecy by Sister Lucia dos Santos, of Fatima, which concerns “the final battle between the Lord and the kingdom of Satan”. The battlefield is the family. Life and the family. We know that you were given charge by John Paul II to plan and establish the Pontifical Institute for the Studies on Marriage and the Family. Yes, I was. At the start of this work entrusted to me by the Servant of God John Paul II, I wrote to Sister Lucia of Fatima through her Bishop as I couldn’t do so directly. Unexplainably however, since I didn’t expect an answer, seeing that I had only asked for prayers, I received a very long letter with her signature – now in the Institute’s archives. In it we find written: the final battle between the Lord and the reign of Satan will be about marriage and the family. Don’t be afraid, she added, because anyone who works for the sanctity of marriage and the family will always be fought and opposed in every way, because this is the decisive issue. And then she concluded: however, Our Lady has already crushed its head.
Praetorian, Padraig has a quote in big font in post #92. The quote begins "In this supreme moment of need for the Church ...." How Padraig phrased post #92 it would seem that the quote is from Sr Lucia. Is Janet not correct that the quote is from the prophesy of Our Lady of Good Success ?
