Charlie Johnston.

Tell us more O wise one.

 

I used to read CJ regularly and felt that he was on the side of the angels, but I do feel some disquiet at the way things are headed. Harper has made some important points that merit consideration. Who exactly is Charlie, and how can we know that what he says about himself is true?

Perhaps he is receiving messages from heaven. We will know soon enough. But I keep coming back to the biblical prophecy that in the latter times prophets will spring up 'like flies' and even the elect will be taken in - this does not mean all the flies are deliberately deceiving, they may themselves be deceived.

I admit to feeling uneasy about the person his angel calls 'menses' - an incredibly good nickname for a man of evil. BUT.... then CJ won't tell us any more. He says to be curious is wrong - so why tell us in the first place? OF COURSE we are going to want to know who the dude is now we are told he exists. There's an element of 'I know something but I'm not telling you' about it. Well, not all saints are perfect, even, and I know I am certainly not perfect. But I am not following Charlie as I once did.

 

I am grateful for this thread because prior to reading some of the posts on it I had not really paid too much attention to Charlie. But the criticisms of him on the thread raised the question in my head, why all the criticism? Almost everything I read from him seemed totally orthodox and faithful and obedient to the Church. At a time when Catholics on the internet were relentlessly criticising the Pope and treating him with disrespect, here was Charlie doing the opposite.

So I have been looking for videos of his talks. Unfortunately many of them have terrible sound quality which make it very difficult to hear what he is saying but I have found a few which are ok. The final one is a joint meeting of Charlie and Mark Mallett.

Maybe he is misunderstanding some of his experiences but he seems to me someone who is well worth listening to and who is not spending his time criticizing others.








and this one has Charlie with Mark Mallett:

 

Charlie gloated about the Denver archdiocese's ruling. He got smacked down quickly by those who understood what it really meant. That could not have helped his cause. Humility is something the church expects in mystics.

"To those who took the statement as an instruction to “turn off the lights,” Johnston responded, “I am enjoying letting the sourpusses expose themselves for lacking the most basic knowledge of ‘Churchspeak.’”

He pointed to Bishop René Gracida of Corpus Christi, Texas, as publicly congratulating him for a positive outcome. When contacted by the Register, the 92-year-old bishop, who retired in 1997, said that his support is for Johnston’s “zealous witness to the Catholic faith” but “not with regard to his private revelations.”

Julia,

I agree with you that Charlie has given good advice on many occasions. He has also attacked and belittled those who ask questions and gloated (see above) when he thinks his critics have made a misstep. He doesn't "take the flak for what he claims." As he said of himself, he's perfectly willing to "kick them in the groin" if he perceives people attacking him unfairly -- and Charlie gets to define unfair.

I disagree that he has not offended any of our beliefs in Almighty God. He presents a "smirking" Jesus and a "smirking" Angel Gabriel. (As Clare noted, "Charlie's Angel" used a derogatory term associated with menstrual blood.) That goes against orthodox beliefs in Jesus as majestic and transcendent, and angels as pure spirit and focused entirely on God.

What encouragement a critic would like to give? Msgr. Charles Pope! He calls things as he sees them, he is a wonderful priest, he has a large and growing following. http://blog.adw.org/author/cpope/

 

If doubters and those who sit on the fence are going to fall all over Charlie because he gets this election thing right ,then there is really no hope when, as we are foretold some will even raise the dead.
The likes of CrewDog will likely go insane, when he already behaves like a wild beast when anyone questions his Charlie.

And Jesus answering, said to them: Take heed that no man seduce you..
False Christs
5For many will come in my name saying, I am Christ: and they will seduce many. 6And you shall hear of wars and rumours of wars. See that ye be not troubled. For these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there shall be pestilences, and famines, and earthquakes in places: 8Now all these are the beginnings of sorrows.

 

Just a few comments after listening to most of the videos I posted above. I noted that the three priests who act as spiritual directors for Charlie are Opus Dei priests. This is a big plus point for me as I do view the Opus Dei order as a very special one.

I'm a bit of a slow reader and so I was able to get a much better take on Charlie in these videos. I was very impressed by his manner and the content of his talks. There is no pomposity in evidence in him and he has a good sense of humour - the latter being very important in my book! His message is basically to stay with the Church and the Holy Father and I am sure this is why he is getting such a hard time on this forum.

I really enjoyed listening to a full talk from him and would recommend anyone and everyone to listen to him as his advice is positive and reliable and he brings hope with his prophecy regarding 2017.

 

The Opus Dei priest you make refernce to is on record here:

http://www.spiritdaily.net/johnston2.htm

"I can't tell you the authenticity of it, what he's seeing or whatever, but I can attest to his character," his spiritual director, who wishes to remain unnamed, told Spirit Daily. "What he's claiming is pretty incredible. I guess the thing I can summarize is that he's a stable individual, he has a stable personality, and he's a man of deep prayer. Has he predicted things? Yes and no. He's been right on some things and wrong on others. He's a man of prayer and well-grounded. Is there undisputable evidence? No."

Hardly an endorsement.

 

Well, Frodo, although you are clearly negative about Charlie, as with this thread as a whole you have provided more helpful material. The linked article contains very useful information about Charlie that I was unaware of. Regarding the Opus Dei priest's comments, they are absolutely fine to me. The priest's job is to keep Charlie on the straight and narrow, not to confirm his prophecies. They are not in a position to do that.

The Spirit Daily article to which you link (I wish they would date their articles) links in turn to another article about Charlie which contains his interpretation of the Fatima third secret. I find it much more convincing than the Vatican's. I copy here the section of the article which includes it:

But Johnston does not believe the secret has fully played out, concurring that the secret represents the Virgin halting the sword of justice wielded by the angel but implying that this intercession is not yet complete. He "respectfully" differs with the Vatican interpretation of the rest of the secret -- which pictured a "bishop in white" (largely thought to mean Pope John Paul II, who as bishop of Rome wears white) ascending a mountain, "at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark. Before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him."

While the Vatican has interpreted that image as a symbol of the many priests, bishops, and religious who were martyred under Communism and also considers it a premonition of the 1981 assassination attempt on John Paul II -- which occurred on the Fatima anniversary day of May 13! -- Johnston believes it more directly relates to current crises in the Church and the former broadcaster, who claims visions over the past forty years, (which caused him to convert to Catholicism from fundamentalism), asserts that this interpretation was confirmed through his allegedly mystical experiences.

"The assassination attempt against John Paul II and its timing identify him as the Pope of Fatima, but it is not the point of this secret," says Johnston. "The ascent up the hill represents this Pope's particular mission. The city which lies half in ruins is Christianity, half of which no longer believes in God, but says Jesus was a good moral teacher. The corpses the Pope meets and prays for on his way are those who, though they breathe, are spiritually dead. The cross at the top of the hill is the end of the Pope's mission on earth. It represents both his triumph and his death to this world. He kneels before it offering his work to Christ. It is after this triumph that the terror begins. It is the body of the Pope's work that the soldiers fire at. That they are in uniform shows that it is an organized effort. These are the legions who have given themselves over to Satan. But the Pope has his legions as well. They are priests, bishops, religious and laity who joined themselves to him and followed him on his way. They will be true champions for Christ as the battle is joined. Prominent among them will be some of the dead souls -- the corpses -- reborn to spiritual life through the Pope's prayers."

​

 

from a different thread called 'discerning apparitions' Harper commented

Yes. Absolutely. Charlie Johnston seems preoccupied with his critics and loves to trumpet his alleged "successes," all the while excusing failed predictions.

What struck me as most strange in his latest post was the discussion of why he refused to obey his spiritual director and ask a question of his "angel." I cannot remember reading about an approved mystic rejecting the suggestion of a spiritual director--especially when the director apparently wished to "test the spirits" by proposing a question. All the talk about "personal responsibility" seems to me a way of evading answering questions.

Since Charlie scans the internet and this forum, I hope he answers directly!

Aug 26, 2016

Is it really showing good judgment to tell the whole world wide web about what you talk about with a spiritual director? Since Charlie did, why didn't he do what the spiritual director asked? As God gave us the ability to think and test the spirits, this discussion is necessary.

 

Yes, so here we are reminded that Charlie is criticized on other threads as well... although generally by the same people I think. I do find it very strange that a person who preaches total Catholic orthodoxy should attract this type of response.

 

davidtlig sex: "..... by the same people I think. I do find it very strange that a person who preaches total Catholic orthodoxy should attract this type of response....."
It's called a personal "axe to grind" and/or Vendetta, Dave ...... or if Ya want to think in the Spiritual Realm ... who is satan and his useful idiots most likely to attack .. Orthodox or Mushy-Middle Kumbiya .... Eh!!??

GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!

 

The question about who Charlie J might be/could be referring to when he says 'menses,' I have begun to wonder could it be the man in charge of Turkey. There is something very disturbing about him ( the man in charge in Turkey). He has his finger in every pie, and many governments eating out of his hand. I know Charlie has not said this; but I am sure we are allowed to speculate as long as we don't get nasty about it.

 

Don't take offense, I am urging you to discern. It is easy to get on the wrong path. Charlie's message gets a lot of attention because he claims it is from God. He says there is going to be financial meltdown. A message from God about financial meltdown will get people's attention. Should we take him at his word alone? No! Should we trust our feelings (He seems like a good person.etc....) We have to discern. Look at the character of the person. The spiritual directors don't endorse his message. I think the members of this Mother of God forum are getting better at discernment because when I joined in early 2012 there were multiple threads on many people with messages that didn't come to fruition. We are becoming more prudent and that is a very good thing.

 

Here's a simple solution from a critic. Don't follow unapproved visionaries or mystics!

I'm on my phone and can't post it, but Fr. Peter Joseph (Harper posted his discernment article in the other post about Charlie) said that most claimed revelations are false. Stick with approved ones and you won't risk being a dupe of Old Scratch.

And does anyone else find it slightly disturbing that Charlie's "angel" says that HIS interpretation of the Third Secret is more credible than the Vatican's???

 

Why CrewDog,

BLESS YOUR HEARTBURN

 

I don't follows Charlie J, I don't follow Msgr. C Pope. I read both their articles and both men have a great way of communicating their thought. I read Mark Mallet's articles too. But I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ through his Apostles, and evangelists; you know, in the Bible.

The point I made about the lttw and mdm was they are anonymous. Charlie J is out in the open. And you have to admit, plenty of criticism goes his way.

I do not need to defend Charlie, or Msgr Charles, or Mark for that matter. Don't forget there have been real holy men in the past who would not stop short of giving someone a slap. I hear Holy Father Saint Pius X was well known for it. So let's not get our britches in a twist over some thing like that. It would be nice to look at the good in their writings and develop and grow from them. Not get engrossed in abusing the efforts these people make in sharing their faith. And I am not caught up in what Charlie says about the Angel. I have seen Jesus myself more than once in my lifetime. He is not some bland holy thing. Jesus is God in the person of the word made flesh. We are made in His mage and likeness; so I would not have an issue with some of the impressions Charlie shares about Jesus responding in a way to Charlie that He may not consider responding to you. You might not be the sort of person who could take it. just a thought. I just hope I am not wasting my time with this, if you are hell bent on criticism, no one but God can open the eyes of your mind.

 

Julia,

I don't understand the need to go on the attack ("if you are hell bent on criticism") rather than addressing questions raised. I haven't commented on other poster's motives, or wondered if a forum member was one of Satan's minions.

As the Denver chancellor noted, people follow Charlie only because he asserts he has a divine mission and inside information. That is an extraordinary claim. Charlie presents no extraordinary evidence.

"Real holy men ... who would not have stopped short of giving someone a slap"... I'm sure, but they were defending God's honor, not their own.

Edited to add: "...no one but God can open the eyes of your mind." True only if you begin with the assumption Charlie is actually a prophet of God. I begin with the assumption that Charlie, and virtually all who claim that mantle, are not. They need to prove it. The odds are in my favor!

Going on vacation.

 

Harper, I know you want to have a debate and investigate Charlie. Of course that is normal. But some questions in the posts shock me. Posters are saying, we don't know who he is. Well, we don't know who each other are either.

If you don't get what Charlie is trying to convey. Find someone else's work to read. Find a topic that we can enjoy and learn from. Attacks suck!

 

Julia & Gang,

It has become painfully obvious that Harper has a long standing "Beef" with Charlie that may have something to do with his TNRS Site and/or go back to the days when Charlie was a newspaper editor .... and/or ran conservative Republican Campaigns. It's one thing to say I don't believe in Charlie .... or any other Not Approved messengers .. or even: "I think Charlie is "Full of ****!" ... but what we have here is an orchestrated campaign to besmirch Charlie with 1/2 truths and innuendo ... complete with a little band of disciples to pile on!
I don't need Charlie to convince me that The SHTF Moment is HERE!! His message is a sign of hope to me 'cause of the low casualties in a Worldwide Civil War and the Happy Ending of a BVM led Divine Rescue!

GOD SAVE ALL HERE

 

Just checking and found this: (edited to add quote, forgot to paste in)

"but what we have here is an orchestrated campaign to besmirch Charlie with 1/2 truths and innuendo ... complete with a little band of disciples to pile on!"

Crew Dog,

I am not affiliated with Charlie's website, his past career as "newspaper editor" or his past "campaigns." I find it truly astounding that you keep insisting this. "Orchestrated campaign" indeed. Only in your mind.

And if something I've quoted is half-true, then go ahead and point it out, with links or other factual evidence. If there is innuendo, then detail it factually.

Otherwise, you are way out of line.