Sacred Astronomy and End Times: Written in the Stars

Thank you Carol 55 for bringing me up to speed.
There is definitely something very interesting in his study. He is very, very clever to bring all the prophetic elements together and try to make sense of them all.

I would love to ask him a lot of questions. Perhaps he could be a guest on MoG sometime? After tomorrow...

 

Know one knows the day or the hour for events foretold in prophecy (not personal prediction) takes place. Antonio is not a prophet/messenger, he is a man who studies 'sacred astronomy' (a science) and uses this information along with alleged and approved prophecy to make predictions. That's all. To many confuse prophecy from personal predictions on events and discredit true messages coming from heaven because they cannot differentiate the two distinct events. The one good thing about alleged prophecy that names dates is that it either validates (like October 13th at Fatima) or is shown to be false (like MDM and LTTW). What we certainly do know is that God promised to use prophecy to speak to our times and beyond, so I will heed scriptures and "do not despise prophecy, but test it".

 

I'm curious about sacred astronomy science. It can't be a new fad because we know that the three wise men followed the star to Bethlehem and I'm sure they didn't saddle up the camels on the spur of the moment. They must have been studying the stars for some time beforehand. Was sacred astronomy part of Jewish custom or culture? I read somewhere that the three wise men could have been members of a branch of Judaeism (I also read that the Good Samaritan was a Jew from Samaria). The wise men brought gifts with them to give to the King, so there must have been studying the stars because they knew of a prophecy about a King. If sacred astronomy was a Jewish custom, it's strange that we never hear of Christians studying the stars after the nativity.

 

I am all for the study of sacred astronomy and yes, it was exactly how the three astronomers (or wisemen) found the Christ child. There are Christians who study this. This is how the brilliant video on the Star of Bethlehem was discovered. I just wanted to make the point there is a difference between prophecy from heavens messengers and predictions made from science/astronomy. Both have their place in the mystery of God.

 

Something to wonder about when it comes to undated prophecies is how much prayer and sacrifice as well as the Blessed Mother's own interventions, which she has mentioned have already worked to delay punishments and chastisements of God's Justice, have influenced any timeline. Today we hear about planets themselves having their normal, expected placements or orbits changed....being pulled by undefined as yet gravity or magnetic forces within the cosmos itself. Some normal patterns are being disrupted. Since even nature itself can be influenced by repentance and conversion....as witnessed at Fatima's own cosmic event.....perhaps then projected placements of planetary alignments can themselves be altered by the interception of the Queen of the Universe and the cooperation of her children!

 

ETA, I have wondered this also and posted something similar at one time but I believe that my thinking is not correct. Just like the Star of Bethlehem was planned to appear at a specific time, the WCWTS is going to appear at a specific time. I know that you believe in Garabandal, correct? So Conchita was given the date of the Miracle in the early 1960's and that date is not going to change and it does have a correlation to the WCWTS.
http://www.virgendegarabandal.com/conferencia_jose_luisENGLISH.htm
When it comes to the planets and the satellites (moons) things are pretty tedious and if something was to offset something it could have catastrophic effects.

Dolours, I don't know a lot about Scared Astronomy possibly someone here does, like member WCWTS, but I think that there must be Christians who have studied this throughout time.

JAK, Oddly enough Padraig posted a video on another thread today and at the end of the video a minister is speaking about Turkey and Iran and some other things I don't quite fully understand and he related it to Ezekiel 38. The odd thing is that I was reading Ezekiel 38 today because of Mr. Yague's prediction for tomorrow. The minster in the video basically said how it appears that things are lining up with this scripture. Ezekiel 38, I believe, is referring to Gog/Magog invasion but when you read Revelations this invasion occurs after 1000 years of peace. Like Fatima stated and I agreed, this minister has his own interpretation. I am only mention it here because of the coincidence.

 

What I was speculating was that what is projected on specific dates by any "sacred astronomers" is based on norms of planetary movements. No one knows as yet the dates given to the seers of Garabandal. Those dates are fixed but just could possibly have already taken into consideration any alteration in the planetary alignments which could delay the speculated dates of current human understanding of the norm. If there is a stoppage of time or movement of the cosmos at the time of the Warning or any alteration due to magnetic or gravitational changes that in itself could alter patterns thus making it, for those not privy to information given by heaven, pretty impossible to posit true dates. And perhaps that is just what is meant to be....then recognized later as having been solely in God's plan and time.

RE: an actual war beginning on a certain date as suggested in Mr. Yague's astronomical analysis, such inference could relate to something outside of bellicose activity itself but something perhaps done behind the scenes which then commits to a war being solidified in intention and possibility. Something on this order was implied in the NDE of Natan as speaking of the war against Israel having actually begun on 9/11/15 which was the date when the U.S. via the Dems of the Senate formalized the fraudulent nuke deal with Iran!

 

Yes C55, I saw that video and I know there are differences of opinion re invasion, but the Garabandal girls said things would be at their worst, so Europe or even the world is in turmoil at the time of the Warning. There are plenty of scenarios that spring to mind.

Antonio's studies are not prophecies but a serious study taking the stars and Bible and finding the connections. I think it will be looking back that we see it clearly, rather than looking forward. For me it is interesting piecing all we hear together. I am interested in the theory but not in any way certain of anything except Our Faith.

 

As for sacred astronomy, it would be interesting if someone kept track of these conjunctions for instance and stated what major event if any occurred on the date of the conjunction. For instance, I woke up and read about the earthquake in Italy today so maybe this conjunction was related to that. I do realize that they say Mars is related to war but maybe there is some symbolism in it.

ETA, I guess I understand what you are saying and I thought of that also, something could be done behind the scenes on the particular date.

I don't know if you saw that I posted a short video a few days ago about a meteor shower that was visible for a few days in mid-August. In any case, I thought it was particularly interesting that this meteor shower was a result of fragments of an asteroid that hit Jupiter (which represents Jesus). In other words, Jupiter saved us from what could have been much more devastating and even though it took a pretty bad hit it's orbit was unchanged.

In case you haven't viewed the video which Padraig posted it is on this thread, got to @8:20min mark.
http://motheofgod.com/threads/signs-in-the-sun-moon-and-stars.7119/page-27#post-143163

 

JAK, I want to say this about the statement "when things are at their worst". I think that many people are waiting for something big that is manmade to happen before the Warning but I don't interpret that statement that way (I probably agree with LittleVoice more than most of you). I look at it this way, the BVM said no WWIII, correct? Are we waiting for something worse than WWII, no. I look at it this way, the BVM means that when we reach a point of the church almost disappearing and sin to be at it's worst, and there being no way for us to recover from that sin. Honestly, with pope bashing being at an all time high - can it get any worse?

 

We don't need a WW3. Natan, the 15 year old boy from Israel who was given a NDE and was shown a horrible nuclear war to last 2 weeks. This isn't WW3, it will be much worse and more deadly than WW1 and WE 2 combined. Two much credible prophecy has this horrible short period taking place to dismiss it. Things will be at their worst then.

 

I don't think so. I watched Natan's testimony of his NDE and at first I believed it also but then I read Revelations and the Gog/Magog invasion comes after the period of peace which the BVM promised us at Fatima. I think that his NDE was from the other team which was trying to cause more hatred towards the US president and possibly a war. Please read Revelations 20
"7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth --Gog and Magog --and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever."
Which catholic prophecy tells us that this invasion will occur before the period of peace, before the anti-Christ and the false prophet? This occurs right before the second coming and the end of the world, we are not at that point yet (I hope not). You were quite correct in suggesting that Antonio Yague is a man not a prophet, "Hostilities in Europe" is not the Gog/Magog invasion.
Please read Revelations and explain how I am wrong. I am willing to be corrected.

 

Well, to give Natan a break, everything he was told in his NDE was geared toward the Jewish orthodox perspective. Thus he wouldn't have a background with an expectation of any "interim coming"....esp. of Christ.....followed by a period of perfection as desired by God's Divine Will. So he saw the end of the "secular" Israel (along with some types of Jewish martyrs as well) by the hands of the other seculars/materialists/evil doers of the world. Remember, he spoke of such battles also taking place at the same period in other parts of the world. He spoke of this battle in general as being between evil and good as he said that only those who obeyed the law and did good for others, from the heart, would survive (one way or another). He said that it would be the same for the non-Jews....everyone would be judged as to the heart, not externals. He said that the "Messiah" would be able to "smell" the true intentions of the heart of each. That isn't all that different from what is expected in the Warning...to be judged as to the heart of each, as God sees us.

And this same scenario was also received in the dream of the other Jewish teenager just prior to this NDE.

 

Also in Fr. Iannuzzi's writings he explains the battle between good and evil taking place before the Era of Peace as well as before the last Judgement. He also explains the antichrist before the Era of Peace and the other antichrist who comes before the last judgement. There are similar diabolical stagings and divisions before each.

 

All good points ETA. I know Mark Mallet has written exstensively on on Gog and Magog as well and while you are partially right Carol, about these evils at the end of the world, you are missing that they also occur soon at the end if this age.

 

I still remember vividly a dream I had back in 2014. I was standing on a hillside outside of New York City (probably in New Jersey) with my father at night. All of a sudden a missile went over our heads and we saw the mushroom cloud form over the city center. Then we were on a train and I was trying to explain to everyone what was going on and that they needed to be leaving the areas and get to their families as quickly as possible. In the dream we knew it was the Chinese who sent the missile at that our own government had sold us out. I don't recall this event being an actual WW3 just a planned event of US takeover by the elites with the Chinese in this case acting as the tip of the sword as judgment on the US.

 

Natan's testimony was fine until he stated that Obama was Gog then this moved up this invasion to our time period and when I first listened I wasn't well versed on Revelations and then after reading scripture over and over, I thought nope can't be. No fault of Natan's, he was a victim in my opinion. The battle discussed in Ezekiel 38 I believe is the same one in Revelations 20, they both end with everyone knowing who the Lord is. What is happening now is what St. Francis warned us of, our Pope is going to be replaced with the False Prophet and the Anti-Christ's reign will begin around this time next year.
Fatima, Good that you mentioned Mark Mallett because I think he has the order of events correct:
"
This chronology is clear in the Book of Revelation where St. John writes of:

I. The rise of a dragon against the People of God (the “woman”) [3]cf. Rev 12:1-6

II. The dragon gives his authority to a “beast” who dominates the whole world for a brief time. Another beast, a “false prophet”, rises forcing all to worship the first beast and accept a uniform economy, which one participates in through the “mark of the beast”. [4]cf. Rev 13

III. Jesus manifests His power accompanied by a heavenly army, destroying Antichrist, casting the beast and the false prophet into hell. [5]cf. Rev 19:20; 2 Thess 2:8 This is clearly not the end of the world in St. John’s chronology, nor the Second Coming at the end of time. Fr. Charles explains:

St. Thomas and St. John Chrysostom explain the words quem Dominus Jesus destruet illustratione adventus sui (“whom the Lord Jesus will destroy with the brightness of His coming”) in the sense that Christ will strike the Antichrist by dazzling him with a brightness that will be like an omen and sign of His Second Coming… —The End of the Present World and the Mysteries of the Future Life, Fr. Charles Arminjon (1824-1885), p. 56-57; Sophia Institute Press

IV. Satan is chained in the “abyss” as the Church reigns in peace for an extended period, symbolized by the number a “thousand years”. [6]cf. Rev 20:12

V. Afterward, there is a final uprising after Satan is released, what St. John calls “Gog and Magog.” But fire falls from heaven and consumes them as they surround the camp of the saints. Of note in St. John’s chronology is the fact that “The Devil who had led them astray was thrown into the pool of fire and sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet were.” [7]cf. Rev 20:10

VI. Human history ends as the Final Judgment commences. [8]cf. Rev 20:11-15

VII. God creates a New Heavens and New Earth as the Church is united for eternity to her Divine Spouse."
http://www.markmallett.com/blog/antichrist-in-our-times/
I just did a quick search to find this since I am not a huge follower of Mark's allow he does seem to have most things correct but not all in my opinion, only God has it all correct.

PS- I am not an argumentative person by nature, my purpose is for all of you to dig deeper, search for the truth. I believe we are helping each other on this journey, I certainly do not want people to worry over things that are not going to happen in the near future. We should be preparing ourselves for the Warning and that is all, and I don't need to explain what that means but as a result of the Warning we may see the world go a little "nuts" and having supplies on hand and such is a good idea.

PPS - Fr. Iannuzzi sounds like he is one who believes that Gog is another anti-Christ, that makes sense.

LAST BUT NOT LEAST: The only way Natan's vision could be correct is if "a thousand years" is not actually a thousand years. It appears that Mark may be alluding to this also. And now I just scared you which is not my goal.

 

You have some scary dreams! This may be another reason why we will be getting the Warning, all of these trigger happy rulers. And China already has over a barrel, if they nuke us they will never get the money we owe them, lol.

 

In the Book of Revelation Gog and Magog are nations under the rule of Satan. Ezekiel is rather more specific to a particular time of the end.

In the Book of Ezekiel Gog is the name of a person and Magog the name of his land. In Genesis Magog is a person without a mention of Gog. In Revelation both Gog and Magog are hostile nations of the world. In the Jewish perspective of Natan's NDE it seems that Gog in this given period is a person and Magog are the nations that accompany his lead or what decision he makes that activates the rest of the lands under the influence of Satan against the good.

It would seem that these terms refer to a Satanic spirit in this world until the actual antichrist arrives at both times as the personification of this ongoing atheistic spirit.

 

ETA, Now, I think we need a bible scholar to interpret the pieces, it is confusing to say the least. But I guess that you don't agree with Mark's sequence of events. the beast (AC) before Gog/Magog? After reading Ezekiel 38 again, I wonder if Gog is first a prince rom the land of Magag and then a nation? It says in the future....to me it is the same invasion/battle at the end of the world.
If you read Revelations 16, to me it appears that these Satanic spirits/demonic spirits come from the AC and FP and then they find the kings of the world (possibly from Gog/Magog?) and then the final battle at the second coming. I read this part of Revelations again and that is when I really wondered again if a thousand years is truly a thousand years. Could be that these spirits lay dormant for awhile and eventually find the kings, after a thousand years hopefully. Someone in touch with Mark Mallett should ask him his opinion on a thousand years, just out of curiosity. In any case, I still like Mark's sequence of events but I am uncertain about 1000 years, was this a term for an undefined length of time? (Scary stuff!)