Any and every modern messenger, will want to attach themselves to Fatima. LTTW are a good example. MDM .rubbish. Do they attach themselves to Garabandal?
Would a heavenly visitor really state "his interpretative letter would become a most highly treasured church document. Charlie is nice guy but changing Hail Mary is a doozy. I will leave it at that. b a
I love Mr Bean. I do not like my friends being called stupid or retarded. I should have known better than engage you. It did not take long for you to go personal.
Lets leave it at that Mac. The witness of the seers and those present during the visions is good enough for me and several saints including Padre Pio have attached themselves to Garabandal. They are not "retarded" "stupid" or "rubbish" to use your words. I am sure you will have a parting insult for me that you would not have the guts to make face to face. Goodbye.
Hi FS To answer your question - the only reasons a heavenly visitor would tell a seer that his writting would become a treasured church document is that it is true and for encouragement. Affirmation from heaven is affirmation indeed. Why would a heavenly visitor not do this?
Unless they knew them well enough to know that would not happen. Charlie himself has admitted that he misunderstood the language of his angel in the early days. In this exchange,however, the language of heaven is clear and unequivocal. Charlie needed to be told he was correct and all our genuine needs are met by heaven. Charlie is an honest man. He may not always get it right but he does not make things up - especially when it comes to his private revelations. We Praise God in his angels and in his saints and they return the grace from this by encouraging us in our faith and in our lives. As we place our faith in heaven so heaven places its faith in us. We are affirmed by its good guardianship. Charlie would not betray this trust shown to him.
It is the flame of love line from the movement of that name founded by Elizabeth Kindelmann and given the nihil obstat by a cardinal. Charlie did not change the Hail Mary. He simply added this line on this occasion that had already been given to someone else. Interestingly the seers of Garabandal added their own line "Mother of God - and our mother" but our Lady told them to keep it for private use until it was approved by the Church. That may happen with the 5th dogma. Cardinal Erdo the primate of Hungary, six other bishops and the local ordinary approved the messages of Elizabeth.
Didn't Charlie Johnston change the title of Our Lady of Guadalupe to Our Lady of Tepeyac? I believe I remember that, something to the effect that Our Lady didn't want to use "Guadalupe" but preferred the name of the site where she appeared. That bothers me, as Our Lady of Guadalupe is the formal title used by the Church and also the title under which she is Patroness of all the Americas.
Sorry to say I am heading off for mass and a busy day so can't research for you now but you can find your answers with the search engine on Charlie's site. Just because Charlie uses Tepeyac does not mean he has changed it. He just prefers it. I sometimes call Our Lady of Carmel, Our Lady of Garabandal.
Hi Harper Look under Our Lady of Tepeyac The Beginning of Conversion on Charlies site. That will be a good start. i am on my phone. Perhaps you could copy and paste.
Lighten up Joe. And starting a reply with' Lets leave it at that' and finishing it with 'not have the guts' is stupid.
Several other observations why 2017 could be expected year (only for those who accept private revelations) The very important number, which plays a major role in Marian apparitiones is 40. I will explain it. Forty years was the time of preparation for entry into the Promised land, Israel. Forty days were given to Nineveh for conversion. See: Garabandal 18/6/1961 - speaks about entry of Red Dragon, Communism into the top of Catholic Church. Fullfiled in February 2001 (40 years) The Marian Movement of Priests 7/7/1973 - speaks about Tribulation of Catholic Church... Fullfiled in March 2013 (40 years) Medjugorje 24/6/1981 - speaks in secrets about last times before Second Coming. Will be fullfiled in March 2021 (40 years) Then the 1290 days before March 2021 will start in September 2017, maybe the 1335 days in 2/8/2017. And this day could so became the day of last call for conversion, therefore all miracles can be expected before august 2017. If the abomination would start in 16/9/2017 it will end in 28/3/2021, Jewish Easter Sunday. According to Marie Julie Jahenny, the Chastisement will be during (Holy) Thursday, (Holy) Friday and (Holy) Saturday. The next day, on Sunday, will be the day when the sun rises again. Since 2017 will be only one Church, so I expect an agreement with converted Israel about determination of Paschal dates.
Delours, I quit reading or trying to explain at Emmett's blog because of this sequence. Its not true. Its the time we are in, yet to be approved messages can't be approved, we are so close, the Church is waiting plus there are so many, God doesn't give up repeating. Follow Father Iannuzzi, another, Mark Mallett's explaining the sequence of end time events. Similar, traditionalists will not look at the yet to be approved, to their loss. Even, though they are so faithful.
The world surely is in turmoil and it feels like something is imminent. The Church has always taught that so long as we are faithful we shouldn't worry or dwell on what's coming down the line. Approved or not, genuine warnings always have the same message of repentance, prayer, fasting and penance which is essentially the same as what Jesus said when he proclaimed to the Jews that the Kingdom of God is at hand. Sometimes I wish that Heaven would intervene because it's very hard these days to get the Lord's message through to folk, especially lukewarm or lapsed Catholics. At the same time I fear that when the chastisement comes, people who know the Gospel and disregard it won't have the grace to get the message while non-Catholics who live good lives according to their understanding of God will be the main beneficiaries. Nearly everyone I know is Catholic, ranging from apostate to lukewarm to very devout which means that some people I am close to could be lost. That's what I fear most of all. Our Lady said that only she can help us and we have been told over and over again that the Rosary is our strongest weapon. Reading accounts of how other forum members fast and offer up their suffering is inspiring me to make a better effort on that front.
The below is another sad SIGN that all is not well. The EU was already ahead of US in the "Don't Believe in God Anymore" Department ... we are catching up! I'm sure I'm not the only guy here PRAYING that The Lord reveal Himself soon ... Real Soon .....and in a BIG WAY!!! .... and as The God of Mercy, Peace, Healing and Joy .. Maranatha 2017!!! "Pew: Americans giving up on God, miracles" http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...onger-believe-in-god-miracles/article/2600066 GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!
