I still need to read through your whole post but I need to make a correction on mine. Daniel's 70th week is what is not complete. I feel so confused today, I am mixing up Matthew with Daniel and that post shows it. Thank you. PS- And even when I reread Matthew 24 today, this is the scripture that I was thinking about being complete, I think how could that all be complete? ---My head is spinning...
This is the million dollar question and it seems to me it will unfold soon. I have talked with Verne on this and this particular message is one he is looking to with anticipation to come to fruition. In what way is the question. The message did not say his 'papacy', but his 'mission'. They could be one and the same, but they may not be as well. What we do know is he is still alive, thus he is still working out his 'mission', which he may not even know the extent of it himself. It seems God has him around for a reason yet to be known.
What concrete seems to be contrary? I have read Faustina more times, I know Garabandal very well, but when I have read Valtorta I maybe overlooked anythink. The Voice which speaks in the book, It does not speaks directly, but in riddles, just spoke Jesus before 2000 years. Can you please quoted opposite claims from book, or write the page from the book. Thank you.
Apparently the Poem of the Man God has been condemned by the Church. Best stay away everyone. Maria Valtorta's multi-volume life of Jesus flirts with heresy and exhibits bad taste. Its claim to authenticity have been rejected by Rome. by Father Mitch Pacwa, S.J. http://www.ewtn.com/library/SCRIPTUR/VALTORTA.TXT
It is your opinion and opinion of one priest. Pius XII, Pater Pio and Gospa in Medjugorje think otherwise. But I told it not for you but for these who have not hardened heart and are open to truth. You shovel crap on it what you do not know, and what could be Voice of your God. And above mentioned three persons confirmed, that it is the Voice of our God.
Its not condemned by the Church... the Church at one time had a forbidden reading list. Poem was added to it. The list has since been abolished. If the list is abolished, then the Poem is no longer condemned. If you read the Poem you will see no reason why it should be condemned.
LittleVoice I understand you are a follower of this but it is not fair to say that what I cited was my opinion. Did you read the long list of church authority who have condemned this writing? The link I posted was from EWTN. I repeat, for the good of your souls, best to stay away everyone.
Just because they no longer keep a list does not mean that everything on the list that was condemned is now good reading.
The 20th and final edition appeared in 1948, and the Index was formally abolished on 14 June 1966 by Pope Paul VI.[3][4][5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_Librorum_Prohibitorum
have you read the Poem? if so what part of the book needs to be condemned? from your link So the worst part that this Priest can come up with is that people are being disobedient. Yet since the forbidden list has been abolished, people can no longer be disobedient in reading it. I fail to see where the error in reading this book is.
Honestly I cannot see why anyone would insist on reading something that was officially put on a list of condemned books by the Church. Pope John XXIII placed it on the list. There is so much good approved prophecy out there why would anyone go looking for questionable material like this?
I have read it. Even if all priests condemned it and one saint priest recomended it, it must be true. Do you know Gospel? What Peter said? He, pope condemned crucifixion. And what said Jesus? That he is Satan. But today's priest have not learned from this. Do you know the beast with two horns (mitra on the head)? It spouts muck from its gob against Voice of God, but does not reduce his Glory.
But this thread should solve other questions. If you want to mock private revelation, post new thread!
Saints are not always right Little Voice. St. John Vianney thought LaSalette was not from God. When the Church approved it he humbly submitted to it's wisdom. You will find saints all throughout history who have disagreed with each other. They are wise, but not all knowing. This writing was condemned.
Point taken... However did you see the reasons for why they put it on the prohibited list. Such as screwdrivers being mentioned before screwdrivers existed (which valtorta actually says objects that appear to be screwdrivers). Or because Jesus and Mary appear to talk too much about themselves. Seems rather harsh to put it on a forbidden list for such reasons. I have read about a third of it and found it to only be beautiful. I have yet to hear anything from exorcists saying people who read this book end up with diabolic oppression. Or from theologists claiming that the book has heresies in it.
I honestly do not wish to argue with anyone Sorrowful Heart I just wanted to make people aware of this writing's shady past. To be fair it wasn't put on the list only because of talk of screwdrivers. Their were erotic parts, and heresy in it among other things. The enemy will often make 99% of a deception alluring. I do not condemn you for reading it. I only want to make others who read this thread aware of the background of "The Poem". Peace to you
Hopefully I am not coming across as arguing. I am only looking to get to the bottom of this. Words often leave out the subtleties of conversation. What are the erotic parts of this story if you don't mind my asking? Also the heretical parts please.
OK, you fullfiled your duty, but this thread is not about private revelations. What you think about 2017? We are influenced by private revelations. You not. So do you see the events in a different light?
To be fair Little Voice. I was not mocking private revelation. No more than the church was mocking private revelation when they condemned this writing. I actually don't know SH I have no real desire to read it or learn more about it. Once I saw it had been condemned that was enough for me. If others wish to study it, that is their choice. I'd rather read the life of a saint or some such
