LittleVoice, I think some people don't want to take guesses of dates out of respect, nothing more, nothing less. I have some of my own guesses but I understand my limitations in interpreting the scriptures and the prophecies. I commend the ideas that others have and I hope that I am respectful of their opinions, I am not assuming that anyone is absolutely 100% correct. I try to understand and I ask questions when I need to. I think most of us here are "normal", if there is such a thing as "normal". I do have a question for you, it is not to condemn but to try and understand. You had said that 1290 days of Daniel happened already, I can see that as a possibility. But you don't believe that any of the 1335 days have occurred yet, correct? How do you think the 1335 days stated in Daniel fits in with Revelations? Are the 1260 days part of the 1335 days and if so why wouldn't Revelations state 1335 days? or does it and I missed it somewhere? Please shed some light here.
No attacks from me, LittleVoice. Just an effort to get clarification on your timeline without using what could turn out to be false prophets. Your over-reaction is enough for me to discount your timeline. Mud-slinging serves no useful purpose, so I'll leave you to it.
No, Little Voice, I am not normal. I do know what it is like to have an impulse to share a religious conviction with anyone who will listen and get stone cold silence in response or get shot down on a questionable technicality. I can relate to your posts. It is an exciting and dangerous time to be alive. The stakes are very high.
What is my timeline? Nothing. You have truth. Important is the Timeline of God. I did not want to offend you, but what you do when somebody offend your husband/wife? You defense him/her. So I love the Voice, who spoke to Maria Valtorta, and I defend it. This beloved Voice is for me My God. I do not care, what somebody speaks about my poor timeline but when somebody offend my beloved Voice, which I have again heard in messages of Medjugorje, I am not calm. So please sorry.
I don't think Little Voice is over reacting, just a little eager in coming up with his/her own timeline. After all this thread is called 'another case for 2017' which in my opinion is suggestive of a time frame. All Little Voice and others are doing is giving their own personal opinion, not purporting facts. Be a little more merciful, no need to interrogate and lambast peoples opinions or timelines. And to be quite honest, from my personal observations, some who rely solely on approved apparitions, are showing a very keen interest in people who mention unapproved sources and timelines.
I have not said that 1290 days happened. I said that happened 2300 evenings-mornings - (I think it begans 13th February 2013 and ended in 8th April 2016. But the original hebrew text is very unclear so it could count from other date. But it is clear, that we were/are in this period, not will be, because this period according to Holy Scripture shall be before the Warning) I do not know, what is number 1260 mentioned by John. It can be parallel with 1290. This fact is for me uclear. The 1290 days will be the last time of Earth before End of the World, not of Times. 1335 days are parallel with 1290 and they shall occur yet. This is fact wrote in Bible. No my opinion. My opinion is that this parallel periods will ends together, not beginn. Nobody want to listen my opinions, but you have maybe truth with september 2017. I have other sources as you and I expect the removal of Sacrifice around half of September. My only aim with publishing timeline was to show, that after Warning remains only few months to removal of Sacrifice. It does not matter, whether it will be in 2017 or later. But it will be very short millenium. You all (I think not you Caroll55) react as apostels and pharisees. Then, after Warning, every one will be live "on Palm Sunday". If now you do not know to listen, then in the time of rejoicing, you will no want to listen and 3/4 people will fall asleep as apostles and many will wake up too later. But it is more no my problem.
Messages are given to us so that we can be prepared. And so that when something happens we can see its significance. The Vatican knows many more prophecy dates than we do but prefer to say nothing. But let's not kid ourselves. They are waiting and watching just like we are, putting their timelines together. I imagine they have the "no" pile and the "maybe pile". We might describe messages as "unapproved" and stay well clear, but I imagine others in high places are gearing up ensuring they are ready for any in their maybe list. The Year of Mercy is the key message of preparation and that something is happening IMHO. Little Voice, I am sure you have the right to speculate on a thread called 'another case for 2017' but your post lost me with the 1260, 1290, 1335. Carol55, the 1335 is to do with the Daniel video that you posted? And the speculation was about when the missing year began? MA is saying it began in 13 March 2013. Is that a fair summary? If I'm wrong can you remind me of the significance of all the numbers? My brain needs support as I try and keep up with the TV blaring multiple sports ...Rugby 7s, rowing, swimming...
Thank you for trying to clear it up. I didn't post that video though, I believe that SorrowfulHeart might have. My confusion was lying in the idea that I thought that LittleVoice was one who believed that some of Daniel had occurred already, like EarthtoAngels as stated on the other thread you are referencing. Now I see that is not the case. Interpreting scripture is no easy task to say the least but I do enjoy trying to understand other's ideas. I agree with you about the Vatican and I think that when some of these prophecies happen I believe that there will many people who will want to lash out for not having been forewarned - I am not saying I feel that will be substantiated but I can see that happening. PS - I can't remember if those videos on Daniel explain the 1335, do they get into that? I must go back and rewatch them.
According to Gospel /and pater Pio/ the Chastisement will be in cold day after winter. Is it clear? Yes. So we can count 1290 days before and we move into period August-September. It is also now clear, is not? Then we can count back 1335 days from August September to April-May, what is the first possible way. But I invented, that we can count 45 days (1335-1290) from August-September to Jule-August, when will be the last Call from heaven for conversion. It is all, what can we together deduce, but the year know only God.
I said that I believe that Daniel 8 is fullfiled. But Daniel 12 can come only after the Warning and "Palm Sunday" of Church.
Yes, I understand. PS - I should say that personally, I am leaning toward the camp that believes that Daniel 12 has been fulfilled, but I say leaning (just began leaning a few days ago). Unless someone can explain how the 1290/1335 days fits with the 1260 days. PPS - And the most critical thing for me is the sign that will be occurring in the near future, the WCWTS along with what has been happening in the church. GOD BLESS US ALL.
I will not more react on your posts. All about the time which is before us was said in the book of Maria Valtorta: The End of times. There are explained many events from Revelation and also 1290 and 1335 days. You can download pdf on link https://uloz.to/!G3NDd7NuP/103882627-maria-valtorta-the-end-times-pdf (click to "Stáhnout pomalu", write code and click to "stáhnout".) If you believe in Medjugorje and Pater Pio, you should have no problem with it. If somebody do not believe, it is not my problem. This forum read not only members...
I will absolutely take a look at it, thanks. oops, I need English. I will do a search on the web and investigate.
It is in english I uploaded it only on czech server, which is the best in east Europe, because I do not know west european servers.
I wonder whether the Vatican has a special department that checks the signs of the times against the yes, no and maybe piles. They have scientists watching the skies but I'm sure they would scoff at any suggestion that they are watching for prophetic signs. Perhaps you're right about the significance of the Year of Mercy. Do you think they would ever actually issue a "this is it, time to head for the hills" type of warning?
I have read a little bit and so far it seems at the opposite end of St. Faustina and Garabandal, a bit more fire and brimstone like.
In the book God Speak Will You Listen, (which I have no doubt is from God) https://www.scribd.com/doc/22505473/God-Speaks-Will-You-Listen , here is what is said about Daniel 12: 6/27/07 "Now let me clear up an area of confusion for you. Daniel 12:11 And from the time when the continual sacrifice shall be taken away and the abomination unto desolation shall be set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred ninety days. The continual sacrifice is the mass and the abomination of desolation is when the doctrine of the mass is changed in my church- the Roman Catholic Church. If you study church history, this doctrine of the mass is the one Satan has tried to destroy. From the time of the early church until now". 9/26/07 "The book of the Apocalypse is a vision of the sufferings, struggles, and triumph of my church. The prophet Daniel has many prophecies which correspond with the book of the Apocalypse. Daniel 12:9 states: And he said: Go, Daniel, because the words are shut up and sealed until the appointed time. My Holy Spirit will unseal the prophecies and give an understanding at the appointed time. Many are prophesying your generation is the fulfillment of these prophecies. Pay close attention to the words of your Popes. Both of your last Popes have stated you are in the battle of Apocalypse 12 between the woman and the dragon. The woman can have several meanings. It is both my church and my blessed Mother who are fighting against the dragon, who is Satan. The third part of the stars of heaven who are cast to the earth, represents the clergy, cardinals, bishops, and priests, who are following the dragon. Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI have warned the faithful, not to be seduced by the dragon. Another spiritual meaning from this passage refers to the great battle which is taking place between the woman and the red dragon of masonry and communism. My blessed Mother’s appearance at Fatima was a sign from heaven to mankind to not be seduced by the lies of masonry and communism.My blessed mother appeared prior to the Bolshevik revolution in 1917 to warn the world of these errors. This struggle is still continuing today. My blessed Mother is the prophet of your time. Pay close attention to her approved apparitions and pay close attention to the Holy Father’s teachings. My Holy Spirit is opening the book of Daniel and the Apocalypse through my blessed Mother’s teachings, my Holy Church’s teachings, and the messages from my messengers of today. Remember Amos 3:7: For the Lord God doth nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets. The message from9/25/07 describes the Fatima consecration in more detail to you. As explained to you, on9/25/07 by my Father, masonry and communism are once again gathering forces in your world. The destruction of these forces will be accomplished by the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary". 10/17/07 "Please read the last part of Apocalypse 12:4. It states: And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered: that, when she should be delivered, he might devour her son. Now, my people read Apocalypse 12:5: And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod. And her son was taken up to God and to his throne. My church is to rule the nations spiritually through my vicar, the Pope.These verses are literally being fulfilled before your eyes. Pope Benedict XVI is the man child elected through the power of the Holy Spirit to rule with a rod of iron. My son, the Pope is my instrument being used to purify my church. His recent proclamations and decisions are setting my church on the narrow road to heaven. Once his mission is accomplished, he will be taken home to be with his Lord and Master. Then, my people you will see the fulfillment of Daniel 12:11: And from the time when the continual sacrifice shall be taken away and the abomination unto desolation shall be set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred ninety days and Apocalypse 12:6: And the woman ( or my church) fled into the wilderness, where she had a place prepared by God, that they should feed her, a thousand two hundred sixty days. My people, prepare yourself for persecution, martyrdom, and fleeing to my refuges. Once Satan has been cast down from heaven, read what will take place. My word states in Apocalypse 12:13: And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman who brought forth the man child. Now read Apocalypse 12:17: And the dragon was angry against the woman: and went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. My people, Satan is going to persecute my church, since he has been cast out of my church. He is going to use lukewarm Catholics,apostate Protestants, and the antichrist to persecute my faithful Catholics. My people the time is shorter than you realize. My church is being purified. I am giving you this warning to prepare those who have ears to hear. Apocalypse 12:12 states: Therefore,rejoice, O heavens, and you that dwell therein. Woe to the earth and to the sea, because the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, knowing that he hath but a short time. Satan knows his time is limited. My holy word clearly states to you that the reign of Satan through the antichrist will last 3 ½ years. I warn you my people, prepare your soul today for persecution. If you do not trust in the Lord completely, you will not survive the days to come. My people, the antichrist is being allowed by my Father as a chastisement to mankind for rejecting my Father’s mercy through his son, for rejecting my Blessed Mother’s messages, and for rejecting my Father as Creator and Lord of all creation.Mankind is once again saying to God Almighty: I will not serve. My Father will show this sinful generation what life without God is like. The antichrist is the fulfillment of my Father’s will on mankind. The antichrist is the instrument of my Father’s justice on this earth. Nothing happens without my Father’s will being done on earth. Do not give Satan credit for anything. He is also subject to my Father’s will. To repeat myself once again prepare my people for persecution and to be marked and grazed by the followers of the antichrist. This will happen as my holy word prophesies. Then, I will come with the brightness of my coming through the power of the Holy Spirit and cast the antichrist and his followers into hell. My world will then be renewed and an era pf peace given to mankind. Take heed to my warnings. Have confidence my people, for I have overcome the world. Do not allow yourself to be source of division in my church. Be a source of love and unity. This hour of mercy is coming to an end and the justice and wrath of Almighty God are upon this wicked generation. These are the words of Jesus Christ to his faithful remnant. Amen".
Fatima: RE: Benedict Once his mission is accomplished, he will be taken home to be with his Lord and Master. Wondering then if Benedict's role wasn't originally intended to be larger...and now that role is extended, yes, but not as "iron handed" as he is left to give guidance to Francis due to overwhelming human interference (with that smoke of Satan having become rather a bonfire within the walls of the Vatican). It's as if the two needed one another for different purposes.
