have you read it? if so what makes it nonsense? I have read through about a quarter of it, and so far it correlates with the Mystical City of God by Mother Mary of Agreda.
Why? Because it explain Gospel according to God's Will and not as the today's world? Have you read it? If not, no blaspheme! Pater Pio, Pius XII and Virgin Mary in Modjugorje told, it is truth and authentic. Gospa told that Agreda had also authentic vision. But she wrote the work many years after revelation, therefore historical events differ from Valtorta, but spiritual content is the same. Who are you, that you can say it is nonsense? Are you greater as pater Pio, Pius XII or Mary? If yes, congratulations.
I read the first page and tossed it. It did not appeal to me and I I felt a revulsion. I checked with some priests that I respect and found that it has some big big problems . So I still trust my initial judgement.
I think you are fairly new on the forum otherwise you would know by now that Mac's 'advice' about Maria Valtorta is effectively a strong recommendation The Poem books are truly a major gift from heaven for our age, along with Medjugorje itself but not everyone seems able to accept those gifts. However, as Joe suggests above, I think you are following a dangerous path trying to work out a timeline for what lies ahead. Even more dangerous is that you seem far too confident in your speculations.
An honest reply, Mac. But you need to reflect on who is able to give you a revulsion from one page of a nearly five thousand page work. And it ain't the Holy Spirit....
Unlike yourself David , I try to read only approved material[mostly]. So I trust my instincts.I cant expect others to trust my instincts of course.
“‘Come here, you usurper and corrupter!’ “‘Me? Why? What have I done, Lord?’ “‘You have corrupted My Mother. That is why you wanted to be alone. What shall I do with you?’ “Jesus smiles and Peter recovers his confidence. ‘You really frightened me! Now You are laughing.” (Vol. II, n. 199, p. 185) Is this accurate ? St Peter, accused by Our Lord, of corrupting his Mother?
Somehow you took it seriosly I am only detective who likes to solve logical puzzles , no prophet. My speculations are only logical not true, maybe. But I see here two barriers among you: Fear, that the events will change your life, fear, that you hope will be again disappointed, and secondly Pride, that you have invented a different timeline. So my dear, let us go and write you timelines. You are maybe inspired by Holy Spirit, not only a detective like me. I do not want to give someone the hope, that it will happen in 2017. It is only 50% probability, yes or no. I gave only a timeline, which has not been published yet and which differs from false prophets.
This is very very nice chapter, I recommend to read and contemplate it. Mac, thank you for its citation. Immediatly I have a nicer day The prayer of Maria can achieve all. Please, let us become so holy corrupters, especially throught the Rosary
I have no timeline, LV, apart from feeling that the Warning could well be this year, with the Miracle next. And after that - who knows... I remember telling a friend about 20 years ago that if 'events' had not begun by the year 2000 that I would begin to question some of the authenticity of what I had come to believe Well, here we are in 2016 and I'm happy to report I'm more certain than ever in the authenticity of Garabandal, Medjugorje, Vassula, the Poem, but without much interest in projected timelines.
Why you say what I have not said? David is very serious and have good views and truth. No timeline is needed. But everyone can publish his own timeline
1 Can you cite passages from sacred Scripture and/or approved prophecies to support your theory? If would be helpful if you could do so without resorting to unapproved sources should as Maria Valtorta, Medjugorje, Garabandal, etc.
Read and meditate this passages: (about Antichrist) Rev 3,14-22, Rev 12, Rev 11,4, Rev 1,20, Is 14,9-23, Rev 13, Ez 38,2; Ez39,3, Mt 24,2-16, 2Pt 2,1-3, 2Thess 2,3-9, Rev 17, Lk 20,17-18, Rev16,16, 2Chron 35, Zech 12.13.14, 1Jn 2,18-26, Dan 8 etc (about Warning and Triumph) Rev 19,1-16, Ez 36,17-30, Rev 14, Joel 3,1-5, Rev 20,1-6, Mal 3, Zech,10 etc (about second period of Antichrist) 1Macc, 2 Macc, Rev 9,1-6, Rom 1,24-31, Mt 10,22, Dan 12,11-13, Joel 1,13 etc (about Chastisement and End) Rev 16,17-21, Is 13,9-11, Is 24,1-6.21-23, Ez 34,10-30, Joel 2,1-14, Mic 3,9-12, 2Pt 3,1-9, Rev 6,12-17, Mt 24,30, 1Thess 4,13-18 etc But I doubt that without explanations from "unapproved sources" you will understand it :/ Many saints said many prophecies, but if you consider Jesus and Maria as "unapproved sources" I will not say more
Jesus and His Blessed Mother are certainly approved sources. Putting Jesus and His Blessed Mother on a level with supposed visionaries or prophets who don't have Church approval merely serves to undermine your argument. You tell me to read and meditate on passages from Sacred Scripture and suggest that my meditation is unworthy unless it results in your timeline. Does that mean that everyone who doesn't come up with your timeline is ignoring Jesus and Mary?
So you have your warning before your special synod? At least that is how it reads in your comment above. That's a bit backwards from the more accepted timelines. Also, Mirjana of Medj never said what the 18th of March was to include in the future. She only said that she doesn't have those yearly apparitions on her birthday because it is her birthday but that people will learn the real reason for that date in the future. I believe it was that Mary Medj. told the children, at the time, when they asked of her that people could read Maria Valtorta - specifically Poem of the Man God - but it's not necessarily approved as completely authentic by the Church. It seemed that to Mary that story gave a general type of background for their lives but people weren't told to adopt anything specifically like dates, in such detail, etc.
It is your opinion. My timeline is not true but it is at least logical while your attacks are stupid. I tell, that if somebody want to understand Holy Scripture, he must be HUMBLE!!! And when somebody does not believe to authorities as padre Pio, he must be very, very, very humble. See, I am not humble and I do not know explain Holy Bible, therefore I need Maria Valtorta and other "unreliable" sources. Therefore I said, that I have doubts, because nobody could explained Holy Bible such as Maria Valtorta, don Gobbi and others.
I have a personal timeline. I think the 1335 days started March 13, 2013. They will end November 8, 2016. You have to fill in the details yourself, but here are some hints. They lightning strike on St. Peter's Basilica in Feb. 11, 2013 told us something big was afoot. Next we have non-stop confusion and division. Culminating in a presidential election where the 'new world order' may finally be vanquished. We will have to see. God bless you all and may we all get to heaven one day.
