Of course not. But that doesn't fit their silly narrative, so the papal maximalists have to make stuff up as they go. Lying in the service of their greater good is ... Merciful? Kinda like the man they think is beyond questioning or criticism. View attachment 5217
I don't think he has said that anyone should be "nicey nice" to ISSIS which he has singled out as "but it is an Islamic State which presents itself as violent". Is it then that unit of terrorists that people have wished to control or has it now come to wishing destruction or elimination in some way or another of the entire religion...which is something like 23 per cent of the world population....and expecting the Pope to espouse that end? Well then, it would appear that the Pope has agreed to the former but not the latter. Does that actually go against the gospel?
This seems appropriate... http://wdtprs.com/blog/2016/08/ultrapapalism-is-the-other-side-of-the-coin-of-sedevacantism/ Ultrapapalism is the other side of the coin of Sedevacantism I extend my compliments to Fr. Hunwicke today for an excellent observation at his excellent blog Mutual Enrichment. Here is an excerpt from the post I have in mind. You can read the whole thing there: Two very brief pointers. (1) Sedevacantism is the other side of the coin of Ultrapapalism (Hyperbergoglioism?) expressed by a number of the undesirables who surround the Holy Father. In each case, there is the same erroneous major premise. The Pope is a demigod; Bergoglio is clearly not a demigod; Therefore Bergoglio is not pope. The Pope is a demigod; Bergoglio is pope; Therefore Bergoglio is a demigod. BOTH ARE HERESIES contrary to the teaching of Vatican I about the papal office. (2) Whichever of the many forms of sedevacantism you are tempted by, subject it to the Pope Honorius Test. He was condemned by an Ecumenical Council and anathematised by a successor. But can anyone produce any evidence that the Council, or any subsequent popes who condemned him, or any reputable ecclesistical writer, has ever argued that Honorius had ceased to be Pope at the moment when he acted heretically? Whether or not you like Bergoglio, he is, beyond any shadow of doubt, the Pope. Well done. I will add, Ultrapapalism is the other side of the coin of Sedevacantism .
“We have no desire to conquer hatred with more hatred” At this evening’s WYD prayer vigil, Pope Francis said: “People try to make us believe that being closed in on ourselves is the best way to keep safe from harm. Today, we adults need you to teach us how to…experience multiculturalism not as a threat but an opportunity” 30/07/2016 ANDREA TORNIELLI KRAKOW “People try to make us believe that being closed in on ourselves is the best way to keep safe from harm. Today, we adults need you to teach us how to live in diversity, in dialogue, to experience multiculturalism not as a threat but an opportunity.” Francis was met with the warm embrace of one million young people at the Campus Misericordiae, the vast green space between the outskirts of Krakow and the town of Wieliczka. They walked for kilometres to get to the park and will be camping out here tonight. The Pope once again spoke to them about welcoming others, dialogue and openness: “We have no desire to conquer hatred with more hatred.” Bergoglio is adamant that this is not the way forward. Francis took the floor, referring back to Rand’s story. Rand is a young 26-year-old Syrian from the martyr city of Aleppo. “We have come here from different parts of the world, from different continents, countries, languages, cultures and peoples. Some of us are sons and daughters of nations that may be at odds and engaged in various conflicts or even open war. Others of us come from countries that may be at “peace”, free of war and conflict, where most of the terrible things occurring in our world are simply a story on the evening news. But think about it. For us, here, today, coming from different parts of the world, the suffering and the wars that many young people experience are no longer anonymous, something we read about in the papers. They have a name, they have a face, they have a story, they are close at hand. Today the war in Syria has caused pain and suffering for so many people, for so many young people like our good friend Rand, who has come here and asked us to pray for his beloved country.” Francis remarked that there are situations that seem a million miles away from our own reality until we “touch them” in some way. “We don’t appreciate certain things because we only see them on the screen of a cell phone or a computer. But when we come into contact with life, with people’s lives, not just images on a screen, something powerful happens. We feel the need to get involved.” “No more forgotten cities,” Francis said, reiterating the young Syrian’s words. Francis called for an end to “brothers and sisters of ours ‘surrounded by death and killing’, completely helpless”. The Pope invited young people to pray, sharing the suffering of “all the victims of war,” “once and for all, may we realize that nothing justifies shedding the blood of a brother or sister; that nothing is more precious than the person next to us.” “This is no time for denouncing anyone or fighting. We do not want to tear down. We have no desire to conquer hatred with more hatred, violence with more violence, terror with more terror,” Francis said, immediately recalling that “our response to a world at war has a name: its name is fraternity, its name is brotherhood, its name is communion, its name is family”. “Let our best word,” he added, “our best argument, be our unity in prayer. Let us take a moment of silence and pray.” Francis invited World Youth Day-goers to pray in silence for those who know that leaving home might mean “never again seeing their loved ones,” for those who are afraid of “not feeling appreciated or loved”. Fear, Francis explained, leads to closed-mindedness and this “is inevitably joined by its “twin sister”, paralysis: the feeling of being paralyzed. Thinking that in this world, in our cities and our communities, there is no longer any room to grow, to dream, to create, to gaze at new horizons – in a word to live – is one of the worst things that can happen to us in life.” http://www.lastampa.it/2016/07/30/v...ore-hatred-X9HGGbeTHHaSaol2Ur4ltJ/pagina.html
Although I think that his prudential opinions about political events and scientific matters carry no more authority than any other individual, with infallibility a quality reserved for a very narrow spectrum of papal announcements, I do think that Pope Francis is very much aware of the plight of Christians in Muslim majority countries who are effectively in a hostage situation and, particularly because of his symbolic position, must be extremely cautious in his pronouncements. Making preposterous comparisons between common garden murders committed by perpetrators who just happen to be Catholics and the crimes of Jihadists is not likely to do any more harm than raise a few blood pressures.
Denial is a river in Buenos Aires - and a 1999 address by a Bishop in Turkey warning against Islam...http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2016/08/denial-is-river-in-buenos-aires-and.html
I, too, believe that he is kept informed of what's happening to Christians in Muslim countries. I also believe that he is trying to take the wind out of the sails of those who claim that religion causes wars. It's a pity he wouldn't choose his words more carefully. He must have known that the topic would be raised at the press conference so he and his handlers had enough time to prepare an adequate response without resorting to the "we do it too" excuse which is grist to the mill of Islamic fundamentalists. What would have been wrong with saying something along the lines of the Catholic Church is not at war with anyone and any Catholic who resorts to violent retaliation is acting in direct contradiction to God's law and Church teaching? I'm also uncomfortable with turning the funeral Mass into a political circus. They could have done the we're all in it together speeches at a prayer service on the eve of the funeral. We can't blame the Pope for that. I suppose the Church in France believes the funeral Mass to be the right time and place to get the message out, but I'm uncomfortable with it. Just as the burial is private, the Mass doesn't need to be used as the backdrop for a public relations exercise.
Dolours, the funeral service hasn't happened yet, but it starts in about an hour in the Rouen Cathedral. It will be televised if people want to watch, but I've read that a solemn mass is planned in the presence of several bishops. The minister of the interior will be there and they have invited muslims to join also. As for speeches, I don't know what is planned, but hopefully nothing more than a good homily for this most simple and humble martyr.
Yes, I'm keeping an eye on the TV to see if the funeral will be covered here. The report I heard on the news is that the congregation will be addressed by, among others, the priest's sister and politician(s). I got the impression that a representative of the Muslim community will also make a speech, but I could well have confused that with the Muslims and representatives of other religions being invited to attend. Like you, I hope that it will be Holy Mass, a sound homily and the usual prayers that the angels will receive Fr. Jacque's soul and present him to God the Most High. A proper Catholic Requiem Mass is beautiful and peaceful in and of itself without any secular trimmings.
Let's remember, 7 terrorist attacks in the first day of August. Of those 7 2 ISIS, on Taliban, one PKK... All are Islamic extremist. The other 3 are unknown at this time. But looking at the countries you can figure out who at least two are for sure. So again points the fine line. Not all Muslims are terrorist, but almost all terrorists are Muslim.
From Breitbart: http://www.breitbart.com/national-s...mic-state-answers-pope-francis-religious-war/ Islamic State Answers Pope Francis: Ours Is a Religious War and We Hate You The Islamic State terror group has come out publicly to reject Pope Francis’ claims that the war being waged by Islamic terrorists is not religious in nature, assuring the pontiff that their sole motivation is religious and sanctioned by Allah in the Qur’an. The Islamic State terror group has come out publicly to reject Pope Francis’ claims that the war being waged by Islamic terrorists is not religious in nature, assuring the pontiff that their sole motivation is religious and sanctioned by Allah in the Qur’an. In the most recent issue of Dabiq, the propaganda magazine of the Islamic State, ISIS criticizes Pope Francis for his naïveté in clinging to the conviction that Muslims want peace and that acts of Islamic terror are economically motivated. “This is a divinely-warranted war between the Muslim nation and the nations of disbelief,” the authors state in an article titled “By the Sword.” The Islamic State directly attacks Francis for claiming that “authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Quran are opposed to every form of violence,” saying that by doing this, “Francis continues to hide behind a deceptive veil of ‘good will,’ covering his actual intentions of pacifying the Muslim nation.” Pope Francis “has struggled against reality” in his efforts to portray Islam as a religion of peace, the article insists, before going on to urge all Muslims to take up the sword of jihad, the “greatest obligation” of a true Muslim. Despite the obviously religious nature of their attacks, the article states, “many people in Crusader countries express shock and even disgust that Islamic State leadership ‘uses religion to justify violence.’” “Indeed, waging jihad – spreading the rule of Allah by the sword – is an obligation found in the Quran, the word of our Lord,” it reads. “The blood of the disbelievers is obligatory to spill by default. The command is clear. Kill the disbelievers, as Allah said, ‘Then kill the polytheists wherever you find them.’” The Islamic State also reacted to Pope Francis’s description of recent acts of Islamic terror as “senseless violence,” insisting that there is nothing senseless about it. “The gist of the matter is that there is indeed a rhyme to our terrorism, warfare, ruthlessness, and brutality,” they declare, adding that their hatred for the Christian West is absolute and implacable. The fact is, even if you were to stop bombing us, imprisoning us, torturing us, vilifying us, and usurping our lands, we would continue to hate you because our primary reason for hating you will not cease to exist until you embrace Islam. Even if you were to pay jizyah [tax for infidels] and live under the authority of Islam in humiliation, we would continue to hate you. In a recent press conference, Pope Francis told journalists that the world is at war. “But it’s a real war, not a religious war,” he said. “It’s a war of interests, a war for money. A war for natural resources and for the dominion of the peoples.” “Every religion wants peace,” he said.
I must admit, although we are all aware of the instruction in the Koran to kill all of us infidels if we don't submit to Islamic control. I do believe a lot of muslims who have lived in the non Islamic culture have found life is a lot more pleasant in the cultures that have developed under the influence of Christianity. And for this reason, they prefer to avoid the murder and mayhem that would surround them if they take to following the deadly culture their own faith produces. I do not believe this will continue indefinitely, once their numbers are sufficient, I believe the imams will start to agitate for attacks on the rest of us. As the Pope says, war is about money, power and influence. And I believe the muslims will kill and destroy to take over our belongings and profit for their own greed and avarice, once they have the numbers in place. It is our children and grandchildren who will have to give their lives, and I see this as the chastisement to come.
"Islamic State Answers Pope Francis: Ours Is a Religious War and We Hate You' http://www.breitbart.com/national-s...mic-state-answers-pope-francis-religious-war/ GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!
Looks like the Pope actually hit the truth nerve here......called them out as a "state" rather than the religion. While others delve into more minute analysis and historical meanings he simply dealt with the reality of the moment and forced them to admit the same or their "true colors". Now they must feel that they have to convince the world of their so called "religious" motives!
Apparently the Russians see an opening in the attacks on Christians to position themselves as Defenders of the Faith. Russia is preparing a conference on defense of Christians in the world this autumn, Sergey Lavrov says Moscow, July 31, 2016 © Alexander Shalgin/The Russian Federation State Duma's press service/TASS. This autumn Russia will hold the second conference on defense of Christians in the world, the Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said in his interview for the website of the Imperial Orthodox Palestine Society (IOPS), reports the TASS news agency. “In addition to demonstrating by our personal example of the importance of establishing good relations between different faiths, it is also vital to hold special events,” the minister said. “Let us be honest; today Christians in the Middle East region are suffering very serious persecutions, especially in Syria and Iraq. In these countries their number has dwindled dramatically.” In his view, the exodus of Christians from the region that is the cradle of Christianity “would be, beyond all doubt, an enormous tragedy in the history—for the spiritual side of the Holy Land as well as the whole of the Middle East.” “And so, together with IOPS, our government bodies, we are actively using world organizations in order to call attention to this daunting problem,” S. Lavrov added. The Russian Federation’s Foreign Minister noted that one and a half years ago, “we held the first conference in defense of Christians” in Geneva (Switzerland) together with representatives of the Vatican and our colleagues from Lebanon and Armenia. “We are currently preparing the second conference, which will be a large-scale one,” he said. “It is scheduled for autumn 2016. We are convinced that the participation of IOPS in its work will make it more effective”. http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/95800.htm
