What is interesting is that if TWCWTS happens at the beginning of the tribulation, then the abomination of desolation will not happen for 3.5 years after September of next year. I do not disagree with the interpretation of Carol on the verses in Revelation 12, but perhaps the timing of it has shifted according to what we previously believed. The interpretation that Carol has is not necessarily exclusive of the AOD also happening also in Jerusalem. The two could coincide with each other. If the covenant that happens is one to attack Israel, this would fit with the prophecies of Garabandal. In that there will not be a world war III.
Natan, the Jewish teenager who had the NDE, says that this big war (he mentioned severe attacks around the same time in other parts of the world besides Israel) began in 2015 and the date he used for his own reasons is the date when the Dems in the Senate approved the Obama deal with Iran to continue their nuke plans and handed over the $150,000,000,000 to them to continue supporting the terror groups like Hamas against Israel.
SH, There are some good videos on youtube in which people took a video of the whole process. I downloaded the program Stellarium to see if for myself and I found it very easy to use. I don't believe that anyone is stating that WCWTS with the moon at her feet at 12 stars at her head and travailing in birth from revelations is going to occur in Nov. The completion of this sign is on September 23, 2017 and some have looked for this exact sign for 900 years out. BUT what happens around November 18th-20th is that the planet Jupiter (Jesus) enters the womb of Virgo and Jupiter does what they call retrograde motion and remains in the womb of Virgo until 9/23/17 and on that day we will have the exact sign stated in Revelations and no other day will there be 12 stars at her head, the crescent moon at her feet, the sun on her shoulder. This why I feel that this date must symbolize something huge, like the abomination of desolation, it could like I said be announcing the beginning of the end of times and all these could begin unfolding as Mr. Clark now believes. I am leaning towards the idea that it marks the end of the first 3.5 years of the 7 year tribulation. So it is a "process" that begins at the end of this Nov. and is completed on 9/23/17 around 9.5 months pregnant, pretty incredible. If I find a good video which shows the whole process I will post it, there are several videos out there some are clear and others are not. This is why Antonio Yague has the Warning occurring in Nov. and the Miracle in April. Does this make sense? I am a skeptic so I figured Stellarium (which is free to download as Scott states) must be faked to show this but then I realized that Antonio Yague uses a different program, Starry Night Pro, and he found the same results. PS- I cannot take credit for any of the analysis except maybe that of the covenant because I haven't read that anywhere else, just an idea on my part to make other's prophecies like Antonio Yague's workout. I wonder if he states what this covenant could be? Here is a video that you can watch from 7:15 to 13:3 (when I looked at this I magnified the moon quite a bit, a program option and I could clearly see a crescent moon at her feet). https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...79A0F18CB40434A7661679A0F18CB4043&FORM=VRDGAR
This makes perfect sense, and I agree with you that this is going to be huge. So right now everyone is in agreement as to when TWCWTS begins and ends, but we are just unsure of the Prophecy in the Bible corresponding in the celestial events. The only problem that I have with the tribulation having already started is that Israel has not been attacked yet. The new Temple has also not been built.
Revelation 21:22 22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. Some people believe that a physical temple is not going to be built. Can you post the scripture that you are referring to(about the temple)? I would like to take a look at it and I can't find it. And also the scripture that discusses the details on the covenant. Thank you! I added a video for you in my previous post, I like this video because it shows the whole process without a lot of confusing elements.
Mr. Yague equates the Miracle of Garabandal with the predicted "Sign of the Woman". Even though the certain necessary signs in the sky for that can occur every 12 years to fulfill this description of the Woman clothed with the sun, etc., he says that the date of April 13, 2017... which happens to be a feast of a saint of the Eucharist and since the Miracle must occur on a Thurs. along with a special celebration of the Church this particular date fulfills the cosmic signs but also falls on a Thursday which that year, 2017, happens to be Holy Thursday. And after this date one would have to wait until Apr. 11, 2954 until the same fulfillment of all conditions included in Garabandal as well as the Woman Clothed with the Sun astronomical placements would occur again. And that date also has an extra special coincidence for the Church in the planetary positions. And he adds that the repetition of that with the special coincidence for the Church happens only once in 100,000 years. He says it also is coincident of the 1st coming with the Jupiter pattern the Magi followed! Also interesting is his mention of a significant fall of stars (priests) due to being dragged by the tail of the Dragon. Now then if one looks for natural or cosmic events to symbolize what is occurring "behind the veil in the war of Michael against Satan or the Dragon" one could possibly connect this "tail of the 'Dragon'" as being demonstrated by this "Nibiru" cosmic event which magnetic force could cause the breaking off of the various forms of space junk from its tails....meteors, rocks, etc. like "stars falling from the sky" or "fire falling from the sky" as in the 3rd Secret of Fatima when equated with the last message of Akita. There is a bigger picture in all of this taking place in the background. So...who knows....esp. when God's own time, via mitigating forces of prayer and conversion, can even supersede what looks like a perfect plan in human inspection. Many prophecies of old....which are still quoted today.....have themselves been mitigated as the Blessed Mother said to Fr. Gobbi via her intercessions to postpone the chastisements....why she is coming anew with new, updated warnings and new supplications for her children to pray more. We just don't have the same patience!! Begin around the 29 min. 30 sec. point (and excuse the terrible subtitles if they appear):
In the New Covenant Christ IS the Temple....."destroy this temple and I will rebuild it in 3 days". The Temple then had become His body and then His Mystical Body (us, the Church) on earth!
The Abomination of Desolation Mathew 24:15 When therefore you shall see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place: he that readeth let him understand. The holy place refers to the temple, but this is also something that replaces the Host. Daniel 9 25 Know thou therefore, and take notice: that from the going forth of the word, to build up Jerusalem again, unto Christ the prince, there shall be seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks: and the street shall be built again, and the walls in straitness of times. 26 And after sixty-two weeks Christ shall be slain: and the people that shall deny him shall not be his. And a people with their leader that shall come, shall destroy the city and the sanctuary: and the end thereof shall be waste, and after the end of the war the appointed desolation. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many, in one week: and in the half of the week the victim and the sacrifice shall fall: and there shall be in the temple the abomination of desolation: and the desolation shall continue even to the consummation, and to the end. This refers to both Christ and the Temple. The covenant is mentioned, but the details are no where in scripture to my knowledge. However the war of Gog and Magog does appear to allude to the covenant. Either way Israel is going to be attacked. Ezekiel 38 14 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy and say to Cog: Thus saith the Lord God: Shalt thou not know, in that day, when my people of Israel shall dwell securely? 15 And then shalt come out of thy place from the northern parts, thou and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company and a mighty army. 16 And thou shalt come upon my people of Israel like a cloud, to cover the earth. Thou shalt be in the latter days, and I will bring thee upon my land: that the nations may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes. I can see you are leading me towards something in a kind way. Please continue.
Luke 21 20 And when you shall see Jerusalem compassed about with an army; then know that the desolation thereof is at hand. 21 Then let those who are in Judea, flee to the mountains; and those who are in the midst thereof, depart out: and those who are in the countries, not enter into it. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things may be fulfilled, that are written. 23 But woe to them that are with child, and give suck in those days; for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword; and shall be led away captives into all nations; and Jerusalem shall be trodden down by the Gentiles; till the times of the nations be fulfilled. 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, by reason of the confusion of the roaring of the sea and of the waves; Jesus mentions here that Jerusalem will be compassed by an army before the desolation, and all things that are written will happen alluding to previous Prophecies.
YES, I remember reading somewhere that Protestant prophecies are looking for the rebuilding of the Jewish Temple, but in Catholic prophecy, it is the Host, the Transubstantiation that will be taken out of the False Church. God Speaks, Will You Listen, words given by God to Cletus Scheffers, Look this up on internet, it is too lengthy for me to download with my limited knowledge Cletus is passed away now, but God gave him messages to give to the fallen away, and he very clearly spoke about the war in the Middle East, and the Luciferian reign of Antichrist, and the False Church. But he, too, says that the timing of everything is conditional upon prayers and sacrifices and conversions. There is also a photo of Cletus on the website sitting next to a painting he made of God the Father. I think Verne Dagenais and Cletus were friends or working together, or Verne promoted Cletus. My husband has been recovering from surgery and goes back to work next week. After he goes back, I will be able to sit down and watch these videos on this thread. Looking forward to it
I remember P. Pio saying that it would be easier for the world to exist without the sun than without the Holy Mass. Then I can see no other use in scripture for the term "desolation" as in "the abomination of desolation" than in the ultimate use, that is, for the world to be forbidden the Holy Mass. Doing so would of course prevent the world from its only true sustenance, Christ in the Eucharist.....the world without its true "Sun" that gives life to all. "Christ is being slain" all over again and we, being that part of His Mystical Body, will go through this repeat of His passion and death. Some say that we are at the point of the crowning with thorns....attack on the Head/Pope of this mystical Body. To the AC the "temples" would be the structures of worship to be taken down or controlled and in those would his abomination of destruction and forbidding of the Mass also effect the true Temple/the faithful/Mystical Body. SH: the people that shall deny him shall not be his. The new leader and his people/followers will deny Him to His faithful. And then it sounds like a war of some type will take place, destroying "the city and the sanctuary" and then "waste" followed by the "appointed desolation". Would that then be Rome/Vatican/replacement with this "leader". Afterwards comes the "covenant"......that ordered agreement with the AC in order to survive and then forced agreement with his NWO type of religion. This could include some of the hierarchy that could go over since they have already been part of the Masonic/Satanic control. And he shall confirm the covenant with many, in one week: and in the half of the week the victim and the sacrifice shall fall: and there shall be in the temple the abomination of desolation: and the desolation shall continue even to the consummation, and to the end. So then, time for the Church to seem as if it has disappeared....having to go underground with persecution....under this new "covenant" made with those "authorities" of the Church? Just speculating as usual.
I'm thinking too about the prophesied to come "eclipse of the sun" and the darkness covering the world (as at the time of the crucifixion) happening within the natural order (or disruption of the natural order) and how it could symbolize the eclipse of the "Son" or light for the world when this "abomination of desolation" infects the world. Nature responds or corresponds to the sin/corruption/lies against the Truth.
You are sweet but I am actually learning right along with you, reaffirming some things that I thought were true and speculating on others of course. I am all out of ideas right now though. I do have this to add, I don't think that Luke 21 is referring to the abomination of desolation.
