I think that he thinks that Rev 11 occurs before Rev 12, I don't believe that is correct. If the WCWTS in the sky is what is in Rev 12 and it appears this Nov. and it completed on 9/23/17, then it seems to me that the Anti-Christ will be in power by around next summer (per Rev. 12) which means that it is possible that the Warning and the Miracle will occur before next summer. The interesting thing with this video is that I wonder if the first 3.5 years began on 4/15/14 (first blood moon of tetrad), if that is the case then possibly by 10/15/17 we will have the abomination of desolation. So may be the Anti-Christ appears on the scene next summer and goes full force by 10/15/17. Then 3.5 years from this date would be the chastisement? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Catholics don't believe in the rapture... As for the Rapture, the meaning of 1 Thes 4:15-17 is that at the return of Christ (v.15) and the General Resurrection of the Dead (v.16), those who survive the persecution of the Antichrist will have no advantage in being resurrected over those who died before His Coming [CCC 1001]. All will go to meet Him and be with Him forever (v.17; cf. Rev 20:17-21:27). https://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/endtimes.htm P.S. The Catechism provides us with a general order of events at the End [CCC 673-677]. Chronologically they are, 1. the full number of the Gentiles come into the Church 2. the "full inclusion of the Jews in the Messiah's salvation, in the wake of the full number of the Gentiles" (#2 will follow quickly on, in the wake of, #1) 3. a final trial of the Church "in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth." The supreme deception is that of the Antichrist. 4. Christ's victory over this final unleashing of evil through a cosmic upheaval of this passing world and the Last Judgment
Well, 1Thessalonians 4:17 talks about those of us who are left will be caught up in the clouds to be with the Lord. In that chapter it refers to the dead being called up out of their graves first, and then those believers who are alive being caught up to be with the Lord at the Second Coming. I think the Catholic Church calls that the Parousia. Somehow, some Protestants believe that they will be caught up to be with the Lord right before the Tribulation starts, and they call that the Rapture of the Saints. I personally think that being caught up will occur at the end of the Tribulation. Parousia I also believe in some of the prophecies that mention loss of lots of lives during the Storm. I live on the East Coast and there is at least one prophecy mentioning an East Coast tsunami. So I am not sure how long I will be here, or my family, either, for that matter. We do not know the day or the hour that the Lord may call us home. We need to keep our lamps lit. And I am not sure that the term Storm means the same thing as the Tribulation. I think it may. That is why I try not to overburden my brain cells. I believe that the Warning is close, even at the door, and it seems that the Lord has sped up time. He mentions that in the Scripture, that the days are shortened for the sake of His Elect. Mark 13:20 The Blessed Mother figures heavily in these times, and since I am Catholic, and my middle name is Maria, it behooves me to listen to her and stay with Her Immaculate Heart.
Carol55, I see your point, and I can see that happening...that the Warning might be this Fall, 2016, and that the Antichrist reign will be ushered in sometime mid-2017, after the Miracle which might be around Easter, 2017. Whew. I think we may have stumbled on something. Perhaps the Warning will have the effect of bringing the full number of Gentiles into the Church and then the full inclusion of the Jews in the Messiah's salvation. But I remember reading at least once, possibly twice, in the Luz de Maria messages that the Antichrist is already in the world but we do not recognize him. So that would explain the view that the Trib has started. I believe that. But as with anything, it's a hunch and a theory. I really think Obama is the Antichrist, but I can't reconcile the relationship he has with the Jews. So I will shut my mouth and remain low key on that. And watch and wait.
http://content.blubrry.com/taylormarshall/TMShow_062_Catholic_View_of_End_Times_and_Tribulation.mp3 5 signs of the end times, the tribulation is mentioned 30 minutes in The reason I brought up the previous video, is because he mentions that TWCWTS might be the beginning of the tribulation.
he takes a couple gentle shots at the catholic church in this one, but makes an incredible correlation at the end 1 Thessalonians 5:1-5 Apocalypse 12:1-5 Its an amazing correlation. 1 Thessalonians 5 The Day of the Lord 1 But of the times and moments, brethren, you need not, that we should write to you; 2 For yourselves know perfectly, that the day of the Lord shall so come, as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, peace and security; then shall sudden destruction come upon them, as the pains upon her that is with child, and they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 For all you are the children of light, and children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Apocalypse 12 The Woman and the Dragon 1 And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And being with child, she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered. 3 And there was seen another sign in heaven: and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads, and ten horns: and on his head seven diadems: 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered; that, when she should be delivered, he might devour her son. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod: and her son was taken up to God, and to his throne.
Toe whole "Rapture Thang" is not a movement that goes much beyond Southern Baptists .... but if there is a Rapture, I sure hope The Lord remembers that I'm a Friend of His ... as best I can GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!
HH, The theory about the WCWTS and the Garabandal prophecies has been uncovered by many, please check out the Sacred Astronomy thread and a man named Antonio Yague. I was just restating Mr. Yague's theory and I was trying to surmise a sort of timeline and I was wondering if this man in the video may have pointed out an interesting idea about the blood moon tetrad and how the timing seems to make sense. But only God knows. I think we are supposed to have 3.5 years before the abomination of desolation and 3,5 years after it for the reign of the Anti-Christ, it is interesting.
I agree with the three and a half years before the Abomination of Desolation, and the three and a half years after it for the reign of Antichrist. I think we are already in the first three and a half year segment. Thanks for the suggestion about the Sacred Astronomy thread.
Well, 1Thessalonians 4:17 talks about those of us who are left will be caught up in the clouds to be with the Lord. In that chapter it refers to the dead being called up out of their graves first, and then those believers who are alive being caught up to be with the Lord at the Second Coming. I think the Catholic Church calls that the Parousia. I believe that Fr. Iannuzzi interprets that as coming at the very end of the world....not the end of this era before the era of the Divine Will or fulfillment of the Our Father. But I've read some interpretations (I think also Fr. Iannuzzi) that prior to this new era there will be at least an introduction of the preternatural gifts which Adam had before he left the Divine Will (some saints like P. Pio have already been gifted with such preternatural gifts or have been called "living hosts" such as St. Faustina) for the human will and thy will help protect those who have been consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary and thus to the Sacred Heart....and those gifts will come into complete reality during this new Era of the Divine Will.
He thinks that the WCWTS represents Israel and the child represents the Church....hmmm. In Revelations 12, the child is "snatched up to God and to his throne". I think the child represents the Eucharist and this is symbolic for the beginning of the abomination of desolation and the woman does represent the doctrine of the church, "The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days". These 1260 days is when the anti-Christ and the False Prophet will have control of the church but the church will be restored to us (the brethren who will be saved if we continue to pray the Rosary as the BVM has told us) after 3.5 years. I think that we are supposed to figure this out and I may have just had my own revelation thanks to Scott Clark, whose heart is in the right place but I don't think he has it right. Mr. Clark if you are reading this please study Garabandal prophecies along with Saint John Bosco's prophecies. Mr. Clark reminded me of the piece that I have been missing, the covenant, that starts the 7 year tribulation that we may be in already and may hold the key to who the anti-Christ is. The scripture is: Daniel 9:27 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. Could this be a clue to the covenant: "In March that year, the then-Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea joined the Russian Federation following a referendum in March 2014, further angering the West. Since then, Russia has faced an array of economic and military sanctions imposed by the European Union and the US over Crimea." from the following article: http://en.alalam.ir/news/1844769 Is Crimea joining the Russian federation the covenant or are the sanctions the covenant? It is not what I would have expected but the timing fits right (read my other posts above). If we could figure out which one it is then we may know who the anti-Christ is, I am leaning to someone but I hesitate to put it in print.
What I find interesting about Scotts take is that the beginning of the Tribulation begins with the WCWTS. This would imply that we are not in the tribulation yet. He also interprets scripture to mean that there will not be a world war, but that it will be Israel who gets attacked. 3 For when they shall say, peace and security; then shall sudden destruction come upon them, as the pains upon her that is with child, and they shall not escape. This lines up with the recent prophecy of the teenager in Israel.
I think we all go through the same thing we think we have figured something out and then some additional piece of information helps us realize we may need to rethink things once again. If Mr. Clark is correct, the covenant may be the missile agreement with Iran (possibly involving Israel), we discussed this on a thread also.
I am not 100% certain. I liked when Mr. Clark stated in the previous video that he originally thought that the tribulation began with the first blood moon of the tetrad and I know that I am "hung up" so to speak on the WCWTS sign. I keeping thinking that the timing of this sign must mean that the abomination of desolation occurs at this point and then I build off of that. BUT I can see how this may not be the case as Mr. Clark is stating. PS - As I was posting this I was thinking of CrewDog. A typical response might be, wake up people of course we are in the tribulation, so stop with all of the analysis and get your supplies already!
Personally I think Scott Clark nailed it on TWCTS happening at the beginning of the tribulation. I am also looking to see who is correct in terms of TWCTS happening in November 11 of this year or September 23 of next year. From what I have found September of next year is the time when TWCTS happens, but the pregnancy begins in November. http://endtimesforecaster.blogspot.ca/2013/06/2017-and-woman-clothed-with-sun.html
Well, I have read somewhere that the Abomination of Desolation is when the Eucharist is removed from the Church, and there is that false church that many will belong to.....as Carol55 just mentioned above. So that could be coming in about a year. And that will probably come about when the Antichrist sets up his evil realm. I am echoing Carol55. I always thought that the false peace/treaty/covenant was to be a "false peace" between Israel and the Arab nations. If so, that is yet to come. And Obama is not fond of Israel, yet I can see him trying to orchestrate something. Thinking about what Charlie Johnston said, that there might be some reason why Obama will not leave office in the next few months: well, maybe the New World Order might be trying to orchestrate some of this in the near future. Also, perhaps many of the "players" on that stage are not in position yet. Also, I think we need to be aware, as was mentioned above and frequently on this forum, that we need to stay in a state of grace, Communion, Confession, Rosary, devotions. This New World Order will be very deceptive and slick. I remember how the world hailed Obama in the beginning. Masses of people in the streets, in the world even. So it will be with the Antichrist, and the False Prophet. We cannot rely totally on the media to report truthfully, but Blessed Mother and Jesus will send us the Truth. We need to adhere to the Magisterium. It is true that as more is revealed, we adjust our expectations and interpretations based on what we know at the time. The people in this forum all work together in the Mystical Body of Christ.
