Sign after sign after sign...

It may look like this. Historically...Russia and China have had territorial disputes on the northern border they both share. If Russia was to engage the West...it is certainly beneficial that China deal with the US...as it is beneficial to the Chinese to have little to no European intervention. China will attack the US when it is substantially weakened by economic collapse and civil war. China will attack Russia across it Eastern Northern border at a calculated time. Russia is barely able to respond as its armies are tied up in the West. Russia being betrayed will align with the desparate Americans.

 

OK Normally I laugh these things off, but the Luke I am your father part has me thrown. What the???

 

Sounds like a lot of "if" scenarios.

While western economic collapse is almost certain, a US civil war sounds a bit out there. I am not aware of any political rift along geographical lines in the US. The NWO currently has a good handle on the military and other factions. Political divisions in the US appear to be endemic to the entire Nation. I don't know what will happen, but the likelihood of a civil war seems rather remote at this time. When the economic collapse happens, the war machine will likely stall... and if this was coupled with natural disasters... this would definitely make an opening for China to make unrestrained moves. That is if China decides to make land grabs, which I believe they will do in south east asia.

If Russia does engage NATO, I do not believe it will be attack with the hopes of gaining power. It will be more along the lines of self defence. Like the old saying "The best defence is a good offence".

Then if China attacks Russia, over old border disputes, which sounds like something the Chinese would consider, it would be endangering all the gains it made. Something which is inherently risky, and if there is one thing I have noticed about the Chinese... they are very cautious with moves that have the potential to back fire.

While this scenario could play out... I find it to be very unlikely at this time.

 

There is something NATO — and more importantly Canadian officials — want you to understand about the rising tensions with Russia: This is NOT your grandfather's Cold War.

In fact, throughout last weekend's Warsaw Summit they were really skittish about anyone drawing any comparisons to the nearly half century long standoff between East and West, which brought the world to the precipice of nuclear annihilation.

"The Cold War is history and it should remain history," NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg declared, as though just saying so was more than enough to make it so.

Yet, the military alliance has retrieved from the vault and dusted off phrases, adjectives and even a handful of concepts from that precarious time.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nato-canada-warsaw-cold-war-tensions-1.3672830

More Propaganda

Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck.

 

Have you ever heard Roger Ebert's story of when he was dying?
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wakeup...r-ebert-glimpse-heaven-days-before-his-death/

Dean, About a month ago I posted some strange post on the Garabandal thread, I call it strange because others would probably call it strange. I kept thinking what if we did get the world to make a drastic change after the Warning and the Miracle, but the Bible tells us what will happen with the Anti-Christ and the Chastisements and everything BUT could it be possible that God could change Revelations? God can do anything correct? and Mary did say that Chastisement is conditional. Honestly, it sounds too incredible, right? Like I am some kind of nut, correct? But we should all believe that it is possible, why not?
I forget if you are active on the Sacred Astronomy thread but I believe that the WCWTS will appear on Sept. 23, 2017 and if you read Revelations well then we know what will happen. So if we can't believe that the Chastisement is conditional what is the purpose of the Warning and the Miracle - our salvation. I personally need to believe that a good percentage of mankind will change and that the Chastisement is conditional which therefore means that God will change scripture. I NEED to believe that it is possible.

 

Public Revelation is not subject to change. There will be an Antichrist and a final persecution. As for Garabandal, we can't say for sure that it is genuine so I wouldn't worry about it too much. In all genuine Marian apparitions, a supernatural sign of authenticity is always given to the local bishop. Sometimes the bishop receives it in private and sometimes the sign is public like it was at Fatima, yet such a sign was never given to the local Bishop at Garabandal or Medjugorje so I wouldn't worry too much about either or them.

 

Wishful thinking, crazy talk, whatever you like to call it. Thank you in any case. There will be an Anti-Christ and a final persecution absolutely, it is the mention of the % of people who will perish is the thing that bothers me the most.

I wouldn't say that I am "worried" about Garabandal or Medjugorje but I am a believer in Garabandal. In Fatima there was a miracle prophesized for a specific date and it occurred so how could the Bishop not approve it. As for the other two apparitions G and M their prophesizes have yet to come so how could they be approved until they are fulfilled.

 

I don't believe that what is written in Revelation would ever change because God is outside of time and space so what was written was already known and He let it be known. Why change it? It is not impossible of course but highly unlikely because it would bring into question everything about the bible and I would think the Lord would not want that perception in the world.

 

It cannot change, period. Knowing beforehand what WILL happen doesn't make it happen. Foreknowledge is not the same as taking away free will.

 

I totally understand. This is Divine Will. We have free will but God knows what we are going to choose in advance, at least that is how I think of it.

Andy, Richard and Brian, Which of you are believers in Garabandal? Just Andy, right?

I think that any believer in Garabandal has probably had the same thought that I have expressed but Conchita did believe that the Chastisement will come, correct?

 

I don't not believe in it but also don't fully believe in it because I think it would not be prudent to believe in something that has not been approved by the church. So I would say if asked in a statistical manner I would say that I 90% believe in it but hold off 10% margin of error. I believe in the legitimacy of Garabandal far greater than I do Medjugore but cant' give you concrete evidence why I feel this way just a feeling I guess and lack of study on the issue. I believe in the authority of the church has to be respected which is one of the reasons why I do like Garabandal because even the Blessed Mother obeyed the authority of the church there. Glenn and his work I greatly respect and he is a good friend of mine but he knows this about me so I am not breaking any earth shattering news here. Yes Conchita feels the chastisement will come to my knowledge but it can be greatly lessened by faith and prayer. Akita will definitely tell you that a chastisement is coming and really Revelation tells us that no matter what Chastisement will come to the world.

 

Well Sorrowful Heart...to be frank (as opposed to timothius722 )...the civil war has already started. I as a white man cannot go into a black neighbor without fear of being accosted (As I have been assaulted for no other reason than that.) Now I self segregate myself less I take retribution. Did you know that stores like Target, Walmart, Kroger, etc... operate on a three day re- supply chain. That means they carry enough supply for three days before needing to be resupplied. That what makes for a very vulnerable food supply chain.
Why do you think Black Lives Matter loves to block major interstates and highways? (Quite clever actually). Take it as a direct warning...just saying. One week with no gas or food. It will happen sooner than soon.
As for China being shy to attack Russia. China needs direct land to grow it crowded space...go North...then across the Bering Sea...makes for a nice pincer move if you catch my drift. Poor Russia...all her resources committed to the West whilst 4000 miles to the East the Dragon has laid its tail. What is the Bear to do other than call on the Eagle (wounded eagle).

 

I agree that a civil war has erupted between ideologies. But it is not along geographical lines. Civil wars are along geographical boundaries.

Yes China may take a "lebensraum" approach, but why invade Russia when there is so many other sparsely populated areas that would be much easier to take. IE Canada...

 

I heard an interview with Conchita from Garabandal some years ago and she said that as she grew up and saw how people were in the world she became more aware that a Chastisement was more likely to happen. I understand she said if we pray enough God can mitigate the effects of it. And I believe that means it might not be as bad as it could be.
In Akita, it was said two thirds or three quarters of the human race would be wiped out if the full force of the Chastisement comes about. I remember Conchita from Garabandal said the Warning would come in her lifetime; but she thought the Chastisement would not come in her lifetime. She is in her late 60's now.

 

Not necessarily. South Sudan is seeing the beginning of a civil war which is based on personal loyalties, not on geographic lines. It's these non-geographic wars that are the most devastating: you can finally conquer and administer a geographic region, but how do you make sure you have conquered and subjugated a people based on ideas? Not very well, I'm afraid...

Assuming your question is serious, your statement can be answered in two statements: "projection of force" and "supply lines".

"Projection of force": you need to be able to project your force apart from your local presence, and you need to protect yourself from your opponent's projection of force. You can project your force by using a spear to poke them, use arrows to poke them from a distance, or use cannon/aircraft/missiles to poke them from even greater distances. You also need to protect yourself from your opponents' spears/arrows/cannon/aircraft/missiles. China has (and has had for a while) a hella good and effective army, the People's Liberation Army (PLA). The ground forces can be very effective at projecting force. The air forces and navy, not so much. That is going to change in the next 5 years. The Chinese government purchased a retired aircraft carrier from the Russian government and is currently refurbishing it and updating it for use to carry Chinese jets. (Their latest models of fighter jets, BTW, also can be carried on an aircraft carrier, although they don't mention the fact.) This will allow the Chinese to project their air forces far beyond their mainland. Can anyone say "invasion of the Philippines"? I knew you could.

In addition, very little attention has been paid to the development of the PLA Navy's Submarine Service. Part of that is because they haven't been focusing on nuclear submarine development, as that would IMMEDIATELY attract the attention of certain (and not exclusively American) civilian and military intelligence services. Far, far too many people think of diesel submarines in terms of WW2 submarines, such as "Das Boot", "The Enemy Below", "Run Silent, Run Deep", etc. When the first Indiana Jones movie came out, people complained that there was no way he could hold on to the submarine when it was travelling underwater. Submarines of the period, though, with diesel engines, had to run on the surface to exhaust the fumes and only went underwater to attack, when they ran on batteries (which were also charged by the diesel engines). That technology is over 70 years old, though. Modern diesel submarines (such as the Dolphin-class subs recently purchased by the Israeli Navy) have greatly updated engine and battery designs -- you don't think companies designed Lithium-Ion batteries just to run your Walkman, do you? Thanks to these improved designs, modern diesel subs are almost as quiet as nuclear subs; thanks to improved air recirculation and purification technologies they can stay submerged for much longer periods of time.

The PLA has also been working on their missile design -- not only missiles to be launched from ships and subs, but ICBM designs. It is unlikely that any action taken against Canada or America would include ICBMs, as that would imply the use of nuclear weapons. If they don't start with ICBMs their enemy (Canada/America) probably won't use ICBMs until it is too late to make a difference. This would be after a sufficient number of Chinese troops (carried by submarine and/or tramp "shipping" steamers) have established a beachhead that they can reasonably expect to live off the land until resupply lines are re-established. "Supply lines" refers to the ability for an invader to keep the men in the invasion force supplied with food, medicine, and ammunition. The reason it took until 1944 for the Normandy Invasion to take place was the need to build up not only these supplies for the invaders but also to build up the means to carry these supplies to the invaders. The Chinese would have to develop supply lines that can stretch across a good portion of the Pacific

To reiterate, in about 5 years and no more than 10 years, the PLA will be able to project force to become a threat to American/Western interests. They may choose to attack Australia first, to knock them out of any forthcoming action; but until that time that they can project these forces, they're going to bide their time and prepare.
(to be continued...)

 

(continued...)

As Tom Clancy explored in his 2000 book "The Bear and the Dragon", eastern Russia has many, MANY resources that the Chinese want/need. These include but are not limited to gold, diamonds, oil, rare earth minerals, as well as timber, space for growing food, and women. There is a long history of fighting over the border -- just check out any newspaper collection from the '60s and you'll see mention after mention of border skirmishes between the USSR and Red China (and trust me, not every "skirmish" was just a "skirmish" and not every action was known by the Western press.) These skirmishes proved useful to develop battle-hardened troops and to test out new military technologies. These military actions died out in the 70's as both nations needed to focus on internal security. With the fall of the USSR there's been almost 30 years of non-activity along the border and a need to Russia to focus its troops elsewhere, such as Chechnya. The PLA would have no problem either projecting force with their existing military or of providing secure supply lines to commit these troops to an invasion. If such an invasion should take place and succeed in cutting off the Trans-Siberian Railroad as well as any other east-west roads, eastern Siberia would be cut off from resupply except for shipping through its ports such as Vladivostok. (This would also cut off the Eastern Siberia–Pacific Ocean oil pipeline, which would also cut off a large part of Russia's oil income.)

Vladivostok is the largest port and city that is close to both China and North Korea. It is also the home port to the Russian Pacific fleet. For that reason it would be a prime target for the Chinese to capture -- intact, if possible, but not necessary provided the Russians don't nuke it, making it inaccessible to everyone. If they are able to capture it, even if they don't capture part of the fleet, they now have a base that is set up to project force against the northern part of the North American Coast.

 

This is a form of civil war yes, much like in Bosnia. Yes it can be devastating. But South Sudan is a far cry from the US. The US has a massive military, intelligence agency, police force, and so on. The establishment of a civil war would in the US is next to impossible.

This is nothing but speculation. Just because China can fight a war with Russia doesn't mean they will. I said earlier that I suspect if China expands anywhere it will be South East Asia. The Philippines are a long time rival of China, and I am sure they would capture them if given the opportunity. Along with a host of other Rivals such as Japan.

But if they invade Russia they will be risking all their gains. It makes no sense, to invade Russia unless Russia takes such heavy losses that they could not form a counter attack against China. The low hanging fruit will be the foremost target.

So what, everyone has advanced their Military Equipment. What does this have to do with China invading Russia? Have you noticed as of late that both China and Russia perform War Games together on a regular basis. Cleary they know what each others capabilities are, and have an interest in remaining allies. From the way you speak its like they are going to war already, when every fact indicates the opposite.

Yes maintaining supply lines is not as easy across the ocean as it is on land. But with a good fleet, and a well established path it is easy to move supplies today. The mobility of Planes and Naval Vessels are greatly improved since 1944. What took weeks now takes days. We just need to look at the recent wars to see this. It is easier invade a nation with no defences by sea, than one that is armed to the teeth over land. China is not stupid, all land wars over Russia have failed miserably.

I dont dispute this, in fact I agree. Its just a waiting game right now. Its the reason in my opinion why NATO is building up along Russian borders.

 

There were also many wars in Europe, and Germany has a decent military. Does this mean Germany is going to invade other nations because it wants their resources. Russia and China have too much of a vested interest in each others well being to jeopardize this. Not unless Russia has lost to much of its forces so as to no longer be a threat to China, will China even consider invading Russia. They will be allied with a common military front, and huge trade benefits. Jeopardizing this for a land grab is hardly worth the risk.

This makes no sense. It would be easier for China and Russia, who already have the best relations they ever have had, to work together to invade North America. Why fight a battle over a port, then go invade a Nation with no defence like Canada. Why not just co-operate and take the nation together and split the spoils. Canada like Russia has huge amounts of resources.

I see the points you are trying to make, but they are merely speculation that stand in the way of facts and logic.

 

"An arbitration tribunal in The Hague has rejected China's claims to economic rights across large swaths of the South China Sea, in a ruling that will be claimed as a victory by the Philippines.

"There was no legal basis for China to claim historic rights to resources within the sea areas falling within the 'nine-dash line'," the Permanent Court of Arbitration said on Tuesday, referring to a demarcation line on a 1947 map of the sea.

The South China Sea is a resource-rich strategic waterway through which more than $5 trillion of world trade is shipped each year."

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/...na-south-china-sea-court-160712090955493.html

I find Chinas claims to be utterly ridiculous, but who is going to deter them?

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...bastille-day-crowd/ar-BBulpVJ?ocid=spartandhp
Another terrorist attack in France