2016 Presidential Election Thread

I guess they were just great...before they weren't....but as the Donsld says,
"I'm flexible...ill be changing very fast now".

Yeah...we know.

 

Dawn, in 2008 I was hoping that Hillary Clinton would become the first female US President. I admit that I didn't realise at the time the difference between the Republicans and Democrats on abortion, but people can and do change their minds. Nowadays the very sight or sound of her gives me the creeps.

 

#NEVERTRUMP = a vote for Hillary

 

But Beth has in fact in other threads referenced a clip of Trump from 1999 (sorry, not 1994) regarding his then views on abortion in a cheap attempt to muddy the water on his current views. Trump is not 100% pro-life but he has had the courage to change his position on abortion from what it once was. Your repeated attempts to equate Trump's views on abortion with Hillary's shows just how desperate and dishonest you have become.

What do I make of the fact that Trump challenged Obama on his phony birth certificate? I say that takes courage, given that the Ted Cruz's and Glenn Beck's and other RINOs of the world were absolutely afraid to challenge Obama's phony birth certificate.

 

Give it up on Beth and Dawn, they are trolls. And they most definitely are pro Hillary. All of those I know who are Cruz supporters today are voting for Trump against Hillary. They know the Supreme Court is at stake.

 

Sorry if you feel posting Trumps repeated flip flopping position on one issue after another is what you refer to as "desperate attempts", but in normal speak, it is called calling out ones record. Not just on the issue of abortion, but on one issue after another. It is a demonstration of how trump has been on both sides of almost every position that is currently in debate.

The clips on Hillary demonstrate how in the not too distant past, he loved her and Bill, but now we are expected to believe that he thinks she is "crooked"(yeah, she is) , but that it was ok for him to love "crooked Hillary" just in the last few years. Same with Obama! Oh, he thought he was doing a great job!making great appointments with Hillary as Secretary of State....really trump...you trusted evil Obama on how he was doing and his appointment of Hillary ? What kind of judgement was that? Very poor...or was that just pandering to the Obama gang for your own political profit? So after all the kissing up you did over the very recent past with this evil gang of democrats, we are suppose to believe that now you are throughly against every thing they represent? Wow, what a leap!

So, you see, the videos that were posted were just a small representation of the numerous flip flops that trump has made to try to convince voters that he is unlike the Obamas and Clinton. But he's not. He is actually to the left of even Clinton on Obamacare! Funny, how the trump supporters never talk about that.

Speaking of what you like about trump....please tell me exactly what are the policies you actually like about him? Can you cite the policies that you like that he has been consistent on? Because on ever major national policy other than nation defense, I believe that he has taken multiply positions on.

So you see Richard, what you call "desperate attempts" , we call exposing the history....a lot of trumps "conversions" to the conservative side have been recent...and a lot of his policies keep evolving....back and forth. Not always to the conservative position. But no matter, as Trump himself likes to brag, " I could shoot someone and my supporters will still vote for me!" Right Richard...is that true? I mean, trump said it wad...twice.

Now trump is attempting to woo the ProLife voters...the ones who actually work during campaigns. They do door to door, distribut yard signs, work the victory centers, etc. he needs them...he needs them to do the ground game...the workers...and he knows it. He told O'Reilly last night that he would appoint ProLife justices! Wow! I don't know if I should celebrate or not. Hummm, does his history tell me that he is just pandering....or will he actually do what he is claiming to do....humm??? He stopped short of saying he would try to overturn over roe v wade...he said, "we'll see?". Hummmm? See about what? You either want to reverse roe v. Wade or you do not. Guess the national ProLife groups will need to desperately cling to his " promises"... Really, what choice do they have? They don't....they will have to cling to the hope that trump will keep his promise of appointing ProLife justices...but, if trumps past is any indication, it's 50/50 if that. Trump has....can, and will flip on a dime. The national ProLife groups have no recourse other than to back him and support him. It's a pity, because with candidate Cruz...they has a sure thing. Now we have the unborn hanging on a thread...desperately hoping that if this flip flopper gets elected , that he will do what he is now saying he will. Poor babies...lives in the balance with these two pathetic choices!
whatever the flavor of the day is for trump.

Before I post his latest flips, I'll add this.
Richard, you praised Trump for calling out Obama on his citizenship ....praised him for his courage to do so when others would not...right? Then explain this to me Richard, why when trump was asked most recently as in the past months about his claim about Obamas citizenship did he REFUSE ....REFUSE to talk about it?? He was repeadly asked if he still believed his position that Obama was not a citizen...but would NOT answer the question. So, I ask you....did trump change his position because it had no merit....or was he being a coward and did not want to defend his beliefs? Please answer this question...id really like to know.


Let's look at some more recent examples of what trump has said he will do during this campaign, but now has done a reversal on just recently. Now mind you, these are just two policy flip flops just during the course of this campaign...there have been numerous others. It's whatever the flavor of the day is for trump.


Now, here is a blog about Trumps latest (not limited to) flip flops during this campaign. After reading it, please tell me why I should trust that any policies he claims to support I should believe.? If you wonder why millions of conservative voters do not trust him, then I'm telling you that this is why. If you want to defend this flip flopping trump, please go ahead...I'm listening.

Blog:

Just Days After Becoming Presumptive GOP Nominee, Trump Has Signaled a Change on Two Major Policy Positions
May 6 at 3:12pm | By Chris Enloe
Just two days after being declared the Republican Party's presumptive 2016 nominee, businessman Donald Trump has already signaled a change of heart on two important issues: taxes and wages.

According to MSNBC, prior to becoming the clear GOP front-runner, Trump declared last September that, when it comes to taxes, he fights "like hell to pay as little as possible."




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More from MSNBC on Trump's tax plan:

Trump put out a tax plan last year that included major cuts to income, estate and business taxes for the ultra-wealthy along with far less generous cuts for the middle class. The nonpartisan Tax Policy Centerestimated his plan would cut the tax bill for the top 1 percent of earners by about $275,000 a year on average and for the top 0.1 percent by $1.3 million. The overall cost would be $9.5 trillion over a decade.

But on Thursday, the Manhattan mogul sang a different tune, telling CNBC in an interview that tax breaks for the wealthy are not his No. 1 priority: "I am not necessarily a huge fan of that," he said, according to MSNBC. "I am so much more into the middle class who have just been absolutely forgotten in our country."

Trump also described his detailed tax proposal as more of the starting point to a negotiation.

"You know, when you put out a tax plan, you are going to start negotiating," he said. "You don't say, 'OK, this is our tax plan, lots of luck, folks.' There will be negotiation back and forth. And I can see that going up, to be honest with you."

And on wages, Trump previously said at many different times during the GOP primaries that raising the minimum wage would kill American production and send jobs overseas to countries like China. At one point, Trump even argued that the wages in the United States are too high: "Taxes too high, wages too high, we're not going to be able to compete against the world," he said during the Fox Business debate in November, MSNBC reported.

Though he later clarified his stance, saying that he doesn't believe wages in the U.S. are too high, Trump made it clear that he was not for increasing the minimum wage because it would make it harder to compete -- on a trade level -- with other countries.

"We were talking about the minimum wage, and they said, 'Should we increase the minimum wage?'" Trump told Fox News. "And I'm saying that, if we're going to compete with other countries, we can't do that because the wages would be too high."

But during an interview with CNN Wednesday, Trump said that he is "looking at" possibly supporting a hike in the federal minimum wage.

"I'm looking at that, I'm very different from most Republicans," Trump told CNN, according to The Hill.

He added, "You have to have something you can live on. But what I 'm really looking to do is get people great jobs so they make much more money than that, much more money than the $15."

Donald Trump: I'm open to doing something on the minimum wage https://t.co/6OZtrfIwim https://t.co/pWIfjE8MhH

-- CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) May 4, 2016

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No Byron...you are the troll...it's so obvious....
You have been on MOG for only a few weeks and only post on the political threads.? unless you covered your tracks since the other day when I called you out. No, sorry...you're the troll. So pathetically obvious too.

On the trump payroll? Cause he is soooo rich he can "self fund" his campaign....oh....no.....not self funding anymore? What...he flipped on that too. You mean that he changed his mind about accepting money from rich people to finance his campaign? Oh, what a surprise! I'm shocked!
Guess all those rich folks that donate to his campaign can now benefit from the power of trump to get the goodies he got from greasing the palm of the clintons and other political types. He knows how the game works...he got rich on cronie capitolist...you know, it's all about the art of the deal...good luck America!

 

That proves you don't know any Cruz supporters. By the way, you are not good at this. You need to get better, more subtle and believable, before Trump fires you. Not that he would be able to tell.

 

Lol...that's funny....

I can't believe you said that....I almost posted the same...

I though Donald was going to pick really, really smart people! Just goes to show....he lied again!

 

Ted Cruz's Billionaire Backers are now backing pro-abort Hillary:

One of the donors, Renaissance Technologies, spent over $13 million on Cruz’s campaign and is now pouring millions into Clinton’s coffers.

“Her campaign is signaling to Republican donors that… Hillary ‘represents your values better than Trump,’” progressive outlet Common Dreams reported. “This is a striking admission — one that comes in the midst of an ongoing contest with an opponent, Vt. Sen. Bernie Sanders, who has questioned Clinton's commitment to progressive causes and has criticized her for caving under the temptations of corporate cash.”

Expect Clinton to shift to a more moderate platform to attract GOP donors as she focuses her attention away from Bernie Sanders and onto Donald Trump.

“A number of deep-pocketed elite have given up trying to buy off Republican politicians in order to support Ms. Clinton, the only establishment-friendly candidate of either party remaining in the race,” the Observer reported. “In response, the Clinton campaign has assembled a group dubbed ‘Republicans for Hillary’ to reach wealthy GOP donors.”

Over 60 Wall Street donors who previously supported Jeb Bush are also funding Clinton, according to the Daily Beast, and Ted Cruz also received funding from many of the same donors.

In other words, there’s no practical difference between establishment Republicans and Democrats.

“The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers,” establishment insider Carroll Quigley once advocated. “Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy.” http://www.infowars.com/republicans-for-hillary-major-cruz-donors-shift-to-clinton/

 

Beth and Dawn will be attacking Trump right up to Election Day and by doing so will be strengthening Hillary. #NEVERTRUMP = a vote for Hillary.

 

It is odd that they keep reposting the same #NEVERTRUMP talking points over and over. Thankfully, the voters have rejected Beth and Dawn's talking points. It will now be interesting to see if the #NEVERTRUMP crowd really cares about the pro-life cause: if they do they will support Trump; if they do not they will continue to attack Trump and thereby hand the Presidency to Hillary.

 

Sorry Richard...you picked a very seriously flawed nominee...if he loses...it's on you...you own him. I voted for the ProLife, pro family, pro constitution, pro religious freedom candidate, Ted Cruz.

I think this article reflects where folks like me who supported Cruz or Rubio are now. Yes, because we now have two really bad candidates who both have record high negatives. So let's be clear here Richard....this nation sees both of these two nominees as really, really bad! Dawn and I are but a mere reflection of the HUGHLY anti trump republicans. We are now in this horrible quandary because of the trump train as you all called it. We had a amazing alternative....and you people lied about him and vilified him. Thanks a lot. Enjoy your party while it last.

God help this nation...( sorry Richard...I know how you hate such melodrama as you call it....but it's the truth....you own this guy called trump)



The Pro-Life Art of the Deal: Can We Negotiate with Trump?
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JASON SCOTT JONES Published on May 8, 2016 • 31 Comments

Jason Scott Jones
One of the things the voters find most attractive about Donald Trump is his vaunted success at making deals — at outbargaining, outwitting, and outmaneuvering the people with whom he negotiates, so that he comes out on top. Whatever we think of his business ethics, it’s undeniable that this is a man who knows how to come from behind, to put on a front, establish himself as a brand, and turn a truckload of rotting lemons into an Olympic pool full of lemon vodka — with supermodels swimming in it. Millions of Americans have turned to Trump in the hope that he will do the same thing for America. They are tired of all the Elmer Fudds whom the GOP likes to nominate, so they’re betting on Bugs Bunny — a fast-talking, scruple-free conniver with a rough-edged New York accent.

As pro-lifers and defenders of religious liberty, and citizens sincerely worried about the direction our nation is taking, we are faced with the question of how to deal with the triumph of Donald Trump in the GOP. Should we stand fast with the #NeverTrump movement, holding to the devastating criticisms which conservatives have made of Trump’s ideology, honesty, and character — and be ready to face the consequences if Hillary Clinton wins? Should we jump on the GOP bandwagon as fast as we possibly can, wagging our tails and panting for favors? Is the prospect of Hillary Clinton winning so terrifying to us that we will take any scrap of hope which the Trump campaign might toss us?

Here’s where we can learn something from Donald Trump himself. His most famous book, The Art of the Deal, is a kind of devil’s dictionary, predicated on the idea that any negotiation is finally zero sum: there’s a winner and a loser, and you want to come out the winner. Now in actual economics this isn’t really the case. When I pay the bill at a good restaurant, I usually feel that I’ve gotten my money’s worth. So does the restaurant’s owner. The free market economy is based on the fact that human beings best cooperate by freely naming their price, and providing goods and services to those who are willing to meet it. In the long run, everybody benefits.

But in Donald Trump’s world things don’t work like that. There’s a fixed, limited pie of money, privilege, and status, and their distribution depends on who can grab the power. That need not be true of business, but it is part of the essence of politics. When you hold an election, one side really loses, and the winning side wields more power. If we let politics meddle in the economy, this zero-sum logic takes over our productive lives as well. The winners of elections, the donors who grease politicians’ palms, can gain a winning edge over their competitors. That’s how Trump has always done business, anyway. No wonder he wants the government reaching its fingers even more deeply into business. As a practicing crony capitalist, he was always more of a politician than a businessman, anyway.

And now each of us as conservative voters, and the movements that speak for our interests, are forced to negotiate with Donald Trump — one way or the other. That doesn’t mean we endorse him, or even vote for him. Walking away from the table also counts as negotiating. Some deals just aren’t worth making. But if our decision to do that is to mean anything at all, we will need to make a public case for it. And that case will be stronger if we are clear about exactly what we are doing.

Or maybe there’s a deal out there to be made. Like most of you, I find the prospect of a Trump presidency repugnant. Like most of you, I’m horrified by Hillary, and the damage she could do, especially through the courts. Trump is counting on our horror to overwhelm our repugnance.

In other words, he thinks he holds all the cards. He is sitting in Trump Tower, sneering as long-time critics such as Gov. Rick Perry slink over to endorse him, like whipped dogs pleading for mercy. He sees social conservatives such as Mike Huckabee and Ben Carson, who endorsed him early on, as checks that he’s already cashed, and forgotten about. As for the rest of us, he waits for our terror of Hillary Clinton to wear us down and humble us, so we have to come to the Godfather to beg for some protection. (I recommend watching Godfather I and II as practical guides to this election.)

If we do it, we’re fools. Worse than that, we’re cowards. Pro-life leaders had some leverage over Trump early on in the campaign, and they managed to squeeze out of him a promise that he’d offer a list of judicial candidates, vetted by the Heritage Foundation. That was to reassure us after he talked about appointing his pro-choice sister to the U.S. Supreme Court. So where’s the list? Trump forgot about it, and so it seems has everyone else. He won enough Southern primaries, then moved on to the blue-state Northeast, so that promise went down the memory hole. Why on earth should he keep it now? Why offer any carrots when he wields an enormous stick: the prospect of four years of Hillary?

If we wince and cower at the sight of that stick, we have no hope of negotiating. It will mean that we are already bought and sold, at a piddling price. Then we would indeed see, as David Frum wrote in the Atlantic, pro-lifers and other social conservatives lose any clout we once had in national elections. If the Israel lobby, or the gun lobby, or any other organized political group behaved the way we do in elections, their causes would be lost. I saw from the inside of GOP politics how quickly, even desperately, pro-life leaders threw away their leverage and signed on with dubious leaders such as John McCain and Mitt Romney. We cannot afford to make that same mistake again.

I wrote once before, in “The Pro-Life Art of War,” that we must see our movement as a special interest group, whose sole concern is preserving the unborn by force of law. It’s our duty as prudent defenders of the helpless to fight hard on their behalf, and to fight smart. To do that, we must play hardball. And we still do have some leverage.

With Trump’s overpowering negatives among so many demographics, he relies more than most GOP candidates on a mighty conservative turnout. He really would be crippled by a potent third-party challenge. He needs to present the front of a mostly unified party. And so he will respond if we approach him with strength and integrity. Notice how he reacted when House Speaker Paul Ryan wouldn’t endorse him: he arranged a face to face meeting. How much face time does Chris Christie get with Donald Trump? How much influence will Rick Perry exercise?

Trump must know — because we know — that we’re free to walk away. If we see that a Trump presidency wouldn’t really be markedly better for unborn Americans than a Hillary win, but that we would have besmeared ourselves with all Trump’s other negatives, then we simply shouldn’t support him. We should count the presidential election as already lost — in Indiana — and pour every drop of blood, sweat, and tears into electing conservatives to Congress. We need to make Trump see that we are perfectly willing to do this. It’s the only way to deal with a man who prides himself on ruthlessness.

 

Still in denial that Ted Cruz was vanquished, Beth?

The fact is that Republicans overwhelmingly rejected the liar and cheater Ted Cruz, whose Billion-dollar donors are now backing pro-abort Hillary. A majority of Republican voters were not fooled by the Ted Cruz deception, thank goodness.

 

Bty Richard...I asked you what are the policies that Trump is forwarding that you support? You didn't answer me? What other than he is "anti establishment" or " he says it like it is" ? What specific policies do you like? Just curious....

 

Oh my gosh....are you serious?

 

Trump: I’ll name pro-life Supreme Court justices

May 11, 2016 (LifeSiteNews) — Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump told Bill O’Reilly on Tuesday that the “biggest way” to protect the sanctity of life would be to elect him as president, since he would nominate a pro-life Supreme Court justice.

“I will protect” the sanctity of life, Trump said, “and the biggest way you can protect it is through the Supreme Court and putting people in the court, and actually the biggest way can protect it, I guess, is by electing me president.”

Trump gave his answer in response to a viewer question challenging him to name one thing he would do to protect the sanctity of life.

“I’ve become pro-life. I was in a meek fashion pro-choice, but I’ve become pro-life,” Trump said. “And the reason is I’ve seen—in my case one specific situation—but numerous situations that have made me to go that way.”

Trump has previously praised abortion giant Planned Parenthood for doing “good work for millions of women” but said he would defund it as long as it continues committing abortions. Trump has also said he would liberalize the Republican party’s platform on abortion to include more exceptions.

“Look, I’m going to put conservative judges on,” continued Trump, pointing out that the next president will likely nominate more than one justice to the Supreme Court.

Trump said his nominee would “be pro-life” and “we’ll see about overturning” Roe v. Wade, which legalized abortion on demand in the United States.

Last year Trump had said that he thought his sister, a well-known strongly pro-abortion judge, would make a “phenomenal” Supreme Court justice. However, helater stated that he was only joking.

Presumptive Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton recently said, “We need a president who is passionate” about abortion.

She said she would nominate justices to the Supreme Court who support abortion. Her rival Bernie Sanders has promised to do the same.... https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/trump-ill-name-pro-life-supreme-court-justices


#NEVERTRUMP = a vote for Hillary

 

It's going to be a long hot summer. I won't discuss politics until Oct. I have a feeling the whole scenario will be different.

 

Divine intervention would make things interesting. Although I am on the fence with regard to Garabandal I would wager that a global, undeniably supernatural Warning would make the battle lines that much more distinct: many would be converted but there would be many that would become even more defiant.