It seems that Luz de Maria didn't know that stigmata of Bongiovanni had been proven to be false, but according to that video she considered them to be true: http://sipse.com/milenio/enigmas-de-yucatan-falsos-estigmas-de-bongiovani-97810.html Still I don't understand why she decided to participate at the meeting of someone affirming to be the reincarnation of one of the seers of Fatima. Moreover, every time I've heard of the "christic" word, it has been only with new age stuff.
Peter B spoke to that discrepancy with Luz de Maria in great length earlier. New age co-opted a lot of terms....since they can only "ape" the Truth. The terms could be used legitimately in the proper context, but confusion is the goal of the evil one. In normal explanation it simply means of or related to Christ. One needs to weigh the goals desired by any group when they use trigger terms.
In my main language (italian), the term "christic" (cristica) is used only in new age stuff: https://www.google.it/search?client=opera&q="cristica"&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 I usually believed in Luz de Maria messages, but not too long ago I had a chance to read some of her messages which sounded very strange to me, so I stopped doing that. But with this, I don't want to affirm that I find her messages to be false. Let's just say that I'm still waiting and discerning.
My intention here is to discern the messages, I`m not saying she is a false seer but I have my doubts. I´ve listened to some interviews that unfortunately are only in Spanish, I will translate them soon so anyone can form their own conclusions. Now, I`d like you to know that I don't see her like a thing, she is a child of God like all of us and I know I need to be careful here. For those that speak Spanish feel free to watch these videos and discern.
MESSAGE GIVEN BY THE MOST HOLY VIRGIN MARY TO HER BELOVED DAUGHTER LUZ DE MARÍA ROSARIO, SANTA FE, ARGENTINA 2 MAY 2016 Beloved children of My Immaculate Heart, MY BLESSING REMAINS AS A LAMP FILLED WITH OIL FOR EACH ONE OF MY CHILDREN. I CALL YOU TO READ ATTENTIVELY AND TO PUT INTO PRACTICE EACH ONE OF THE MESSAGES YOU RECEIVE BY DIVINE WILL. You must not feel satisfied with just reading the Holy Scripture; you must delve into the Divine Word and not feel satiated, but each instant feed more and more on the Divine Truth, on the Divine Way so that you will live in Divine Will and thus be more mature spiritually and less mundane each instant. Beloved People of My Son, My Heart remains palpitating in view of the events prior to the Great Purification of humankind in its totality. I speak to this generation by Divine Will—this stubborn generation—waiting for one soul to convert in the midst of the sea of human will, shattered and snatched away by the evil oppressor of souls. IT IS NOT A PRIORITY FOR MAN TO BELIEVE IN MY SON OR IN THESE CONSTANT CALLS. MAN IS SATISFIED WITH MATERIAL GOODS; HE HAS FORGOTTEN ETERNAL SALVATION… Selfishness has reduced man to be a delirious passionate for satisfying his ego and his well-being, making him increasingly in need to own everything his imagination could want. My Son’s People are being manipulated without them being aware of it and without consenting to it. Children, you are literally and aggressively led to rebellion, to challenge My Son. Children, so many of you have wasted the opportunity to help your fellow men! Do you hear the laments of your brothers who suffer at this instant?... Beloved children, storms will become more frequent, so much that you will feel fear. The waves will rise in one place and the other, and science will not be able to warn you. You do not know that this happens because of the movement of the tectonic faults of the Earth’s layers. My children, you will shudder at the events and the fury of Nature; you will see with perplexity the power with which the sea will penetrate the land and will destroy what man considers indestructible. In My Pain, I anticipate the fury of the Elements: Inactive volcanoes will surprise humankind, Earth laments at the indifference of man towards his Creator. FOR WHAT ARE YOU WAITING, MY CHILDREN, TO RETURN TO MY SON? I do not keep from you the fact that scarcity will be felt all over the world. Rich and poor will suffer hunger, money will not be a means to get food or dress or medicines. With the fallen economy nothing will be valid for human subsistence until you be willing to put in your body the mark of the beast, the microchip that the rulers of the Nations will require of the people in order to deliver them in the hands of the antichrist. Beloved children of My Immaculate Heart, FAITH WILL STAGGER, MY CHILDREN WILL CRY AND WILL REGRET NOT HAVING OBEYED MY SON PREVIOUSLY; MY CHILDREN WILL LAMENT NOT HAVING BEEN AWARE OF THE PERSONAL NEED TO LOOK FOR AND TO DELVE INTO MY SON’S WORD; AND MY CHILDREN WILL REGRET NOT HAVING DELVED DEEP INTO THE DIVINE TEACHINGS AND NOT HAVING PUT THEM INTO PRACTICE IN LIFE. IT IS NOT RELEVANT TO MAN TO GROW SPIRITUALLY because he does not believe in the announced events and he does not believethat the conditions of the world will change; even when he sees the sudden and unusual change in Creation, he does not want to face the truth of the condition of his soul and he does not allow his conscience to move him to change. He stops his conscience with his will. Beloved children, violence in Humankind will increase, attacks and assaults will be continuous, the weather will be intensely deranged, and the seasons will change all over Earth, the winds will wreak destruction, and frost will rush. Children, the antichristis guarded by the elite that rules Humankind’s destiny through power; the control exerted by these allies of the antichrist will intensify with social repression. My children, through health they will lead you to deliver yourselves to the enemy; unleashing its hidden power, freemasonry will find its crucial point to dominate My Son’s Church, and they will take off the mask before the People who cannot intervene in this regard. You, My beloved children of My Immaculate Heart, REMAIN IN FAITH, even if what you see next to you is barren, in Faith continue praying and giving testimony of My Son’s Love and of His Promises.UNITE TO FACE EVIL, so you will be able to uncover it and not be trapped in its nets. Beloved children, you will witness the testing of a new weapon; the consequences of this will be spread by the wind… and death will be a comfort to My children. You will not find a place to bury the dead and the stench will rise with diseases, crying will come from within the soul for having disobeyed the Calls from the Paternal House. Confusion will be great because of man’s desire to control his brothers. A world leader loses his life at the hands of his brothers. Agitation increases, rage increases. Pray, My children, pray for Argentina; it will be flooded again by the water that falls without stopping; its soil will not bear fruit, and My children will experience shortage and lack. This My People will be purified by themselves; blood will be spilled. Pray, children, pray for Chile and Venezuela, they will taste again the pain; the land will be shaken. Pray, My children, alliances seem to be affirmed when betrayal is the hidden strategy which, as a bird of prey, will arrive unexpectedly. Pray for France; it will suffer by terrorism and Nature flogs it. Pray for the United States; Purification has not left its land. Pray for Russia; it will scourge Humankind; it has won the desired time. Beloved children of My Immaculate Heart, know My Son so that you discover Infinite Love, without which you will live empty and, not being able to find the way, you will come to adore men who, with treacherous words, will tell you they own the power given by My Son… they will tell you they own My Son’s Word… they will tell you that they are chosen by My Son… and instead, they will lead you to be stray creatures separated from grace. Beloved children, THE COMET THAT I HAVE ANNOUNCED IS NEAR, and with its nearness, the alteration of man will be visible, in the weather and in Nature in its entirety it will be evident. Earthquakes increase, My children, and tsunamis with them. MAN DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT SIN INFLUENCES ALL HIS SURROUNDINGS and even animals will change their habits and the way they treat man. Beloved children, LOOK FOR THE TRUTH; IT IS WITHIN YOU. FIRST SEE YOURSELVES WITH TRUTH AND, AFTER YOU HAVE EXAMINED YOURSELVES, GO RECONCILE WITH MY SON, this way you will be able to start on the path towards order within yourselves, towards interior order. Rise above yourselves so you will truly know yourselves, finding the Center of Truth which resides in each of you. You will only find the Truth within yourselves, because the Truth, without being light, without being reason, without being conscience, is necessary for you to rise above yourselves. You have goodness, you must do good, you must work and act in goodness, you must walk in goodness. My Son does not expect any other treatment from His children. Beloved, you walk insecurely in My Son’s Power, in His Divine Omnipotence, in the Divine Providence, and this is denoted in fear, in a weak and inconstant Faith. THESE ARE INSTANTS WHEN MY CHILDREN MUST LIVE FULLY BEING MY SON’S CHILDREN AND HAVING THE GOODS OF THE FATHER’S HOUSE, BEING ASSISTED AND FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT. Allow the fruit that My Son bequeathed to you to blossom; do not hesitate because the instant is closer than any other instant to the nucleus of the Great Tribulation. Beloved children of My Immaculate Heart, I AM WITH YOU AT THIS INSTANT MORE THAN IN OTHER INSTANTS; LET ME GUIDE YOU. COME TO ME. I LOVE YOU. Mother Mary. HAIL MARY MOST PURE, CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN. HAIL MARY MOST PURE, CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN. HAIL MARY MOST PURE, CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN. THE INSTRUMENT’S COMMENTS Brothers/Sisters, Our Mother: all Motherly Love… We receive a Call; it must not be one more call; it must be like the First Call; it must move the conscience so we will react to the indifference towards our Lord Jesus Christ. Beginning with Nature—the one man refuses to acknowledge that it has changed—and ending with the soul, our Mother takes us on a spiritual tour so we will be able to achieve that instant of silence in life so we can decide to belong more to God and less to the world. It is not something unattainable for those who have Faith, but it is for those who deny themselves Salvation. Brothers, these are not instants to hesitate or to stagger or to make fun of the Word we receive from the Paternal House; this is the instant to be children of Divine Will and to plea for that unction that will lead us to remain firm in the face of what is coming. So many have placed their faith in the power of Nations or rulers!... And we will see that a great power has risen while Humankind slept. BELOVED BROTHERS, DO NOT TAKE THIS WORD OF THE MOST HOLY MOTHER IN VAIN. “LET ANYONE WITH EARS LISTEN!” (Matthew. 11:15). Amen. Note: The Bible used is the New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
MESSAGE GIVEN BY OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST TO HIS BELOVED DAUGHTER LUZ DE MARÍA 4 MAY 2016 My beloved People, MY LOVE FOR MY PEOPLE IS INFINITE… DO NOT ASK WHO ARE “MY PEOPLE”, MY PEOPLE ARE ALL THE HUMAN CREATURES FAITHFUL TO OUR WILL, ATTENTIVE AND OBEDIENT TO OUR WILL. Beloved children, indifference are the antithesis of Love, and, based on this, My People are divided by their own will. He who does not have Love is not worthy of entering My House. Just as a bird soars through the air, the souls that have an overabundance of My Love are the ones that soar in the spiritual path and know well My Mercy without discarding My Justice. This is the instant when you evoke My Mercy to justify human sin… The man who acts this way is so mistaken! My Love has no limits… My Mercy has no limits… My Justice has no limits... You talk about My Mercy with hesitant words leading My People to believe that they are worthy of My Mercy without repentance. AT THIS INSTANT THE PATHS MUST BE WALKED WITH THE HELP OF MY HOLY SPIRIT; THIS WAY EACH STEP WILL BE GUIDED SO THAT YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE IN WHAT IS NOT TRUE. My Love—deposited in each one of My children—leads you to recognize and accept that, if you do not live giving testimony of My Love, if in the last instant of life you refuse to see yourselves as sinners and to reconcile with Me, then, by man’s will, My Love is withdrawn and replaced with indifference and hatred; and you will not attain Eternal Life. My beloved People, you are all loved by Me, but not all accept My Love; this stops many of My children. As they reject Me, hatred invades them taking the acts and works away from My Love and, thus, away from My Mercy. You do not have the power to imagine what it would be like to remain on Earth without My Love; all experience My Love according to the human will: Some more, some less, each one in his own measure. CHILDREN, FOR AN INSTANT IMAGINE LIFE WITHOUT MY LOVE; IN THE LAKE OF FIRE, THE SOULS REMAIN TOTALLY DEPRIVED OF ME. THEY DO NOT LIVE MY LOVE THERE. When man resigns Me, the nature of the creature is invaded by all things contrary to good and by everything that is contrary to My Love. Violence increases and, therefore, horror and fear spread all over Earth as man separates more and more from Me. You forget that in My Vineyard everyone receives the same retribution; that is, all those who embrace My Call and make it come alive before impiety spreads like a plague. THE ENTIRE CREATION INTERACTS WITH MAN AND RECEIVES FROM MAN WHAT HE HAS INSIDE. This is why I constantly repeat thatCreation does not recognize the man who despises Me and disobeys Me. It would be different if Humankind had taken the righteous path, working and acting in My Likeness. Men would possess so many virtues! This instant would be so different! My Light would invade everybody and the fire of My Justice would not touch you. My People, the instant shortens; contaminated sunrays fall on Humanity and weakness in man is felt in the body; this weakness does not allow man to resist satan’s insinuations that call him to leave aside Grace, Penance, Faith by deceiving man with falsehoods and making him fall into evil doings. My beloved People, SAVE YOUR SOUL AT THIS INSTANT WHEN THE PRESENCE OF EVIL COMES TO MEET UP MAN UNDER ALL CIRCUMSTANCES, when sin is the evil that suffocates man so that he will not understand My Love, move away from It, and deliver himself to evil with pleasure, having been taken by the evil spirits that move in all directions. Evil will drag My children, those for whom I gave up Myself; and the possessions of those who are Mine will be destroyed in order to make them seek shelter with those that work for evil. The unbelievers, the wicked, the ones who have lived in darkness will be like vultures in search of prey. This is why I Call you to make an effort to hold on to the Faith and be not of those who do not know Me. You will live pain anew. Unbelievers will pounce with more force against those that are Mine; right will be wrong even more so that it is at this instant. Goodness will be seen with disdain and the righteous man will hear false doctrines from evil’s mouth that will spread all over Earth. The righteous man will be able to differentiate what the ignorant man will accept as correct. My Mercy goes as far as My children will allow. My Mercy is waiting for man’s call, even when he may be the greatest sinner. They ignore forgiveness because they do not forgive. I AM FORGIVENESS AND I DO NOT IGNORE A SON REPENTED, A SON WHO PLEAS WITH REPENTANCE AND A FIRM PURPOSE OF AMENDMENT. MY MERCY IS INFINITE AS INFINITE IS OUR LOVE FOR MAN. My People, not only seawater will invade the land; it has been invaded by satan just as I announced it, just as My Mother announced it. Not only the sun causes skin cancer, it is man who keeps his heart in a state of putrefaction and is therefore insensitive to the pain of others, and pity is a nonexistent word for him. I OFFER YOU MY MERCY, MY FORGIVENESS. COME TO ME; DO NOT REJECT MY CALLS. Clouds will advance quickly; man will look upwards and disown what he sees; nothing will be familiar to he who delivers himself to the malignant oppressor. War has not stopped, My children, it is under cover in a territory in order to catch man unawares. EVIL HAS MADE HIS THE POWER AND HE HAS GIVEN IT TO SEVERAL WORLD POWERS TO ALTER HUMAN NATURE AND THE ELEMENTS. AT THE INSTANT OF INSTANTS, EVIL PRECIPITATES ITS ACTIONS AND MAN LOOKS SIDEWAYS. My People, My Church will suffer; do not forget that “I am who I am” (Ex 3:14), and My People will never be left out of My Hand or of My mother’s Hand. My beloved, what man dismissed as a danger, at this instant will be activated with force. Dormant volcanoes will awaken, streams will be flowing rivers, mainlands will be muddied and will lose resistance and solidity… The sin that man has deposited in the land will rise to the surface. My People, man created with his hands what he uses to combat his enemies. At this instant, power is in weaponry, except that man has not foreseen that the atmosphere is contaminated by the sun and by the same man, and hence the effects of his creations will surpass the expectations of science. Children, My People, the instant does not wait; I wait for My People NOW! YOU WILL RECEIVE MY HELP AND MY PEACE SO THAT YOU WILL NOT DESPAIR IN THE PRESENCE OF THE EXECUTOR OF EVIL. MY ANGEL OF PEACE WILL ARRIVE TO GIVE MY PEOPLE THE LIGHT THAT WILL HAVE BEEN STOLEN BY THE MALIGNANT OPPRESSOR. My Love will live with My People each instant until those who are Mine receive My Heritage. DO NOT LOOK FOR ME OUTSIDE OF YOU; LOOK FOR ME IN THE INTERIOR OF EACH OF YOU WHERE, OPPRESSED, I WAIT FOR ONE WORD: “MY LORD!”… Pray, My children, My Mercy does not despise any of those who come to Me repentant. Pray, children, the land will continue to shake changing its geography. Pray, My children; the creatures, agitated by the convulsion of the Peoples, will lead to spilling innocent blood. Pray, My children, pray to My Holy Spirit; ask for discernment, do not separate from Me. My People, My Love is Eternal; you just have to love Me and repent of the evil committed. Come to Me, children, come to Me, your Lord awaits you! Do not despise My Calls, do not wait. Come to Me! Live the miracles of My Love. I love you. Your Jesus
Yeah , just the latest play by play. At least they are not as boring as Zaro. That can cure insomnia.
To me they are very clearly the fiction of a deluded mind. I am not saying that this person is deliberately trying to lead people astray but there is a high chance of bats in the belfry
“Beloved children of My Immaculate Heart, THIS THIRTEENTH (13) OF MAY, I WISH A WORLD CHAIN OF THE HOLY ROSARY; EACH HUMAN CREATURE MUST CONSECRATE HIMSELF TO OUR SACRED HEARTS. IT IS IMPORTANT FOR HUMANKIND TO UNITE AND THE PRAYER OF THE HOLY ROSARY BE UNINTERRUPTED IN THE ENTIRE WORLD.” The Blessed Virgin Mary to Luz de Maria May 8, 2016
"EACH HUMAN CREATURE MUST CONSECRATE HIMSELF TO OUR SACRED HEARTS" Is there an explanation for this alleged and unprecedented demand?
I like to come onto this thread to see the messages, translations of them, and summaries of them. Why can't those who take issue with this apparition just leave this thread alone?
Mariadivinemercy had a thread running here on the forum before your time Daniel. Would that be your attitude to that thread? Catch fly and get back to us.
Daniel, I went back to the beginning of this thread to see if there were restrictions. There is no content on the first page, at least, saying it is limited to messages with no discussion. That would be a new rule, and should be discussed with a staff member. My concern with this message is that it is impossible to fulfill. There is a too short a deadline (this May 13-- Friday) to get the message out to the world so that people could say the rosary together. It is virtually impossible that "each human creature" say the Rosary, since the vast majority of people alive have never heard of the Rosary and don't know how to say it. And yes, the "Sacred Hearts" bothers me a bit, since I have not heard that title applied to Mary (and I believe Joseph is included in this). My favorite priest always tells me God never demands the impossible.
Because Our Ladys Immaculate and Sorrowful Heart is Joined so intimately to the Sacred Heart of her son Jesus, that the Two Hearts beat as one, and it is in this way that Our Lady's Heart enjoys the title of Sacred, as the merits of the Sacred Heart of Jesus are given to His Mother and to her Heart which is united to Our Lords Heart. St Joseph is the friend of the sacred Heart of Jesus. By friend [which sounds ordinary] it really means something extrodinary! it means nothing in St Joseph was ever in opposition to Our Lords Sacred Heart, nor to Our Lady's Immaculate and Sorrowful Heart. No opposition ever ! Trully a friend!
The title of the thread says it all doesn't it? Perhaps you could start a new thread "Concerns about Luz de Maria messages" to discuss concerns out of respect for those who are reading these "alleged" messages prayerfully. Techically, the request to pray the rosary is a reminder, so the delay in this case is more like 100 years and 5 days. As for consecration to Mary, Our Lady has requested it often too so it's not new. But the Church is guilty of not listening, so Our Lady has to repeat Herself, which is very sad.
The last I heard the purpose of Blog Sites, whatever their content, is discussion. Sometimes they might be a bit heated but as long as we are friends at the end of the day ... like any good Family ..... all is well. Ever mindful of my old Korea CO's favorite quip: "Opinions are like A-holes. Everybody has one and it stinks!" I find most of the discussion here interesting but I find, too often, folks getting bogged down in minutiae or unapproved seers, apparitions or opinions of self proclaimed "Catholic Theologians". I think it might be best to stick with what's simple, right and true..... especially "These Days" .... lots of satanic distraction goin' on Out-There, Ya'll!! GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!
Beautiful Message of May 8 showing the Mother's most extreme concern for ALL of her children. You can note the almost desperate plea....warning, warning, warning....time for our willed decisions for finality is short now. She has been forming her own Rosary groups/cenacles...where she takes refuge in these times.....now for decades, reminding us of the power of the Rosary and being in the Divine Will. The Rosary is a help to form us in the Divine Will. She has done the Father's Will and asks us to also live in this Will. It is all melding together. Because of her concern, her "visits" in places all over the world, people all over the world have been more responsive to understanding the importance of the Rosary for these times, and now are also much more aware of her role, through Fatima, for these very years....thus more are aware of her month, May, and the special number of 13 in God's big plan. Thus this May 13 such groups formed by her throughout this long period given to her will form a chain....of hearts..... given to her and will acknowledge her. She seeks refuge in those groups of hearts given to her for they are the "desert" in which this Woman struggling to give birth anew is fleeing to from the force of the Red Dragon. She only wants more....she wants all...of her children to be saved before all these other things come to pass. And like the first cenacle surrounding the Mother of Jesus awaiting that first Pentecost, her cenacles all over the world, where her heart resides, await with her the second Pentecost. She is begging her children to wake up so they won't join weakened humanity and become prey to the AC. This message of one moment in time is not divorced from all of the other attempts by the Mother throughout centuries....it's part of a culmination that has led to this desperate time because her ongoing attempts within the Father's will have been taken lightly or ignored....esp. by the Church. To believe or not to believe in what is coming, in the crises, the great shortages, rebellion, pandemics, political coups, robberies, killings, and persecutions, among some cases I mention, together with the scourges that will arrive from the Universe to Earth, signs and signals of the elements; it is a sign of man’s spiritual immaturity, immaturity in the face of a reality that is closer each instant and that man will only manage to stop with a serious repentance and constant conversion. Amen! Spot on!
