US Presidential election 2016

Pending cases on Cruz' illegibility for becoming President. So, Beth you want more cases to come up? Now that's a sure way to give the Democrats the presidency on a silver platter. Cruz may win a case in Texas, but he doesn't have a chance anywhere else. Why? Because lyin Ted is not a natural born citizen and everyone knows it.

 

We have a devout communist gaining ground against Hillary and you Beth are more worried about Trump? Sounds to me like you want disaster coming. It's like those "dominions" or whatever whacko cults believe in that by starting world turmoil, we will have the second coming arrive faster. You know those same Neo cons who went against Pope John Paul II's warning against the Iraq war. Remember when the fake "conservatives" in the Republican Party kept harassing those who were against the war as unpatriotic? Now who are the real patriots today? These people are ashamed at the truth. They don't want to hear a Trump tell them how stupid they were and how destructive they've been for the world. They want to hide behind the fake pro life conservatism of their hero George W. Bush. They know Ted Cruz worked and continues to work for George W. Bush and his cronies in Texas. But they also know the Clinton Initiative would never have existed without George W and his poppy. I feel sorry for you Beth because you think you can hide behind a Cruz, a Rubio, or a Kasich. But He sees you. And there is no hiding.

 

Wow, the love fest over Trump sounds very much like the Obama love fest of 2008. Also, I think the level of personal attacks on this thread like this,

and then this

, are not very charitable. If anything, I think He is watching in sadness, how we are treating each other and there is NO HIDING from that! HE IS SEEING EVERYTHING including everything being said on this thread .

Trump is NOT going to fix everything and make America "great again" like he claims. He says whatever people want to hear (hmm, sounds a a LOT like Obama). He doesn't even know what he is saying half the time and has to walk back comments daily. If that's not flip flopping what is? Over the last couple of weeks, I have come to the conclusion the NONE of the candidates running on the republican side or the other side, will be able to fix the DISASTER Obama, his minions, and predecessors made. Not gonna happen. I am almost certain that president Clinton II will finish us off, and if she doesn't, Trump will.

 

Thank you AllyninNY, I agree. The personal attacks need to stop now. Trump supporters should stick to the facts or stop using what has been a faithful Catholic discussion group for years. The outright inability to have an intelligent discussion without attacking people is surprising on this discussion board, though it is seen far and wide from Trump supporters.

Get to it: What does Trump say on the issues? What can you say except Cruz is not a natural born citizen? (When did his American mom need to obtain US citizenship for her son? She did not.) Stick to Trump. What are his in depth, intelligent thoughts on eminent domain, immigration, abortion, ISIS, Israel? You can't find it. How about starting with this list:

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...p-s-rapidly-changing-policy-positions-n547801

I was going to wait until after Divine Mercy Sunday for this, then I came home from adoration to see more comments from the gutter. it is time to stop it.

 

The truth hurts. And that's where we are today. The unveiling began when Trump spoke about the charlatans in our own Republican Party. Those who continue to hold on to the lies, are doing themselves an injustice. George W. Bush did a number on us. And he continues to do so. I am a pro life Republican, who admits I made a terrible mistake on backing Bush over our Pope. At least, I'm not hiding.

 

I don't think the Republican establishment will be dancing with joy if Cruz wins the nomination, so he can't be all that bad.

Let's not forget that if either Cruz or Trump manages to win the Presidency, they will still have to cope with the powerful party backers so CrewDog could have the last laugh.

You know that I'm a bit sceptical about the Storm. Nevertheless, there could be something to it. No matter who wins the US election the same power brokers will still control both political parties. Europe is a basket case, with the EU's solution to the migrant crisis looking like a non-starter. Canada's Prime Minister looks like he should be carrying a school bag on his back. The slowdown in the Chinese economy is affecting Australia. Political corruption is causing civil unrest in South America (nothing new there). The Chinese are upping the ante in the South China Sea, and God alone knows what NATO is playing at by hyping up fears of a Russian invasion of Eastern European countries and having Obama warn us about the possibility of ISIS getting nuclear weapons being the greatest threat to security. Add the effects of globalisation on employment and earnings, and something's got to give. The best preparation is Confession, especially on Divine Mercy Sunday.

 

Dolours, Cruz works for Bush, always has, always will. The Bushes own both parties. That is the establishment. There is a communist party and they have been funding Bernie, but Trump is a problem for both entities. He was never supposed to have gotten this far. And he probably won't, if Charlie's right. But he has unveiled a lot of hypocrisy. And for that we as Catholics should be grateful.

 

In Charity I will try one more time.

You are rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Let it sink and get on with the business of saving your, your family's, and your friend's and neighbor's souls

 

I would love you to speak about the truth, Marygar. Why don't you? You still seem incapable of speaking to Trump's position on the issues. Speak to the issues I mentioned without rude attacks. First it was Cruz, now the Bushes. Why can't you speak about Trump and his position on the issues? Because he is the modern day Nimrod, there is nothing intelligent to say. Intelligent, faithful Catholics in addition to our separated brethren have been making this connection and it could not be more accurate.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/trumps-tower-of-babel-part-1-roosevelts-roost-142588/
http://www.christianpost.com/news/trumps-tower-of-babel-a-president-for-the-selfie-age-part-3-1427
http://www.christianpost.com/news/t...a-president-for-the-selfie-age-part-3-142706/

I'm done. If someone can pry some facts about Trump out of anyone here supporting Trump, God bless that person. How about a discussion on how Trump is the modern Nimrod?

 

Gee whiz, Nimrod? We have Nimrod as President today because of George W Bush, and you want to blame Trump? Trump is telling you everyday about the Nimrod in the White House and the mistakes he is making by not focusing on illegal immigration, ISIS, government waste and a debt that will bring a MAJOR economic collapse, but you are just not listening. Instead you focus on candidates who work for the same fools that like exactly what Obama is doing, except they just look more Christian than Trump.

 

Fatima thank you, and that's exactly what I am trying to do.

 

Well, Marygar. You've proven yourself. You were given 2 chances to list Trump's intelligent policies on a list of issues and you can't. What you are doing is changing the subject every time you could speak to the issues. Unfortunately, you think it works. Maybe read the articles about Nimrod and Trump, since you can't talk about Trump's positions, maybe you will see Trump supporter's characteristics in those who supported Nimrod. You don't seem to know who Nimrod is, maybe once you read a bit you can engage in the discussion.

 

Illegal immigration, ISIS, government waste and our debt are all important issues. And I am engaging in the discussion, so sorry you can't comprehend.

 

Well, God help me, I will try one more time, because if we all ignore this issue, we will end up with Hilary Clinton as president, just like those who voted for Ross Perot gave us the gift of another Clinton as president for 8 years.

Marygar, the question is, what, exactly, is Trump's intelligent position on each of those issues? I already listed these issues. I already asked you, and Richard, to refute the points in the NBC article on Trump's positions on those issues. Now is the time to enlighten us.

The insults are getting old and they are not working. I will continue to respectfully ask you to explain Donald Trump's intelligent position on each of the issues you list, no matter how many times you attempt to insult me. This is too important. Many on this forum are saying forget about it due to the "storm". Well, so far no one has accurately predicted how that "storm" would play out. We are having an election in November. Once again, what are Donald Trump's very specific and consistent positions on the issues you list. I don't know how much clearer I can ask the same question. But I will keep asking it.

 

I don't know why you believe there are insults here? Let me again point out Trumps positions on issues by wording them differently. Let's see...

Trump's positions on issues: Trump has denounced the trade treaties from NAFTA to GATT to the WTO and MFN for China, that have de-industrialized America, imperiled our sovereignty and independence, and cost us millions of good jobs. Trump's foreign policy goal is avoiding confrontations with great nuclear powers and staying out of unnecessary wars. Trump wants our borders secured, the invasion stopped, the manufacturing plants brought back, and an end to the brainwashing education our Neocons have controlled in our schools, media, and think tanks. These wars have bankrupted our nation and confused the meaning of true Christian conservatism. Pope John Paul II was right all along.

 

I always got the impression that the Bushes weren't that smart but were surrounded by very devious people (rather like our Pope and some of his favourite Cardinals). In fact, I kinda liked Jeb but then I wasn't averse to Kasich until recently so pay no heed to my notoriously poor judgement. Are you sure that the Bushes aren't a rung or two from the top of the ladder? Powers behind the throne don't usually let the spotlight fall on them. The same goes for all the candidates, although I suspect that Romney could have been slightly higher on the ladder than even the Bushes.

Anyway, even if Cruz and Trump are genuine, don't expect too much from either of them. Huge companies that most likely would crawl across burning coals to do business in China and some Islamic countries are threatening to boycott North Carolina over some law they don't like. If some of them are willing to openly pick off States one by one, what chance would a reforming president have against them plus the combined Houses of Congress?

 

The Bushes are HUGE as Trump would say. They are truly, they've been around since Hitler, and Kennedy. The New World Order that hopefully will soon fall apart was uttered first by Bush Sr. Reagan would have never become President without Mr. Trilateral as his running mate. These people and their international cronies call the shots worldwide don't underestimate them. And they are pissed right now at the Internet for educating the mass on their devious plans. The jig is up. It's fascinating to watch them squirm. How insulted the old man was during the debates. It was priceless to watch. When you get a chance google what the Honorable and Christian host Bill Bennett wrote about Trump. Brilliant.

 

Again Dolours there is nothing genuine about Cruz. He is bought and paid for. We are in trouble.

 

Thank you for at least listing a few brief words on some real issues regarding Trump. They are not full blown policies, but one word opinions, which he never backs up. However, it is a start. If he does not like NAFTA, why was he still saying, as late as 2015, that Bill Clinton was a great president? Why did he support him in 1996, after Clinton signed NAFTA? America was already de-industrialized by the 90s. He should brush up on that. Since we now import far more than we export, what is his plan with China, besides saying we have bad agreements with China? How will he keep China from retaliating with higher tariffs, causing our prices to go up, destroying the economy? What, exactly, is his actual plan. At this point in the race, he has to have one or he can't expect intelligent people to vote for him. What is his plan for bringing manufacturing jobs back to the US?

Trump wants out of wars? Really, then why does he say bomb Syria, send ground troops to Syria?

Trump has yet to say how he will stop immigration, besides, "we will build a wall", "it will be great", "it will be beautiful", and the funniest, he will get Mexico to want to pay for it. This is not a policy. When pushed he finally admitted he would have to negotiate his immigration policy. That is as good as Obama promising his fans he would have a single payer health care plan, knowing that would never get passed through Congress. It is the same kind of lie.

Trump has absolutely no plan for education. His plan is that common core is bad.

As far as Saint John Paul II, he would say what Pope Francis did. Someone who speaks like Trump is not a Christian. To even raise the Christian issue is humorous. He is supposed to be Presbyterian, a group that puts at the forefront faith and devotion based heavily on the Bible alone. He never mentions the Bible and he can't because he does not know it. As far as staying out of wars, his dangerous talk about invasions, sometimes bombing, then, no ground troops, then, no, send ground troops, then no, bombing with ground troops, you bomb the hell out it, then you go in, you surround it and you take it. You take the oil fields, you burn them, then you take them again. John Paul II would never endorse such talk.

This exchange would be hilarious if it were a Saturday night live skit, as it stands, it is real and therefore, frightening:http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/wat...trump-to-admit-he-agrees-with-obama-on-syria/

Anyway, do you have actual, well thought out, policies Trump has consistantly and coherently laid out ? Do they hold together? Does he explain them, or throw out one or two words and then say "it will be great, it will be very great, we will make it great"? Find one interview or speech. Please. We are still waiting. What about eminent domain and the abortion fiasco of his that those dedicated to the cause for a lifetime have immediately spoken out against? No, it is not a good idea to to compare him to John Paul II, who spent a lifetime opposing Communism and supporting the freedom of the individual as well as the dignity of human person. Trump does neither. Trump is cruel, uniformed, constantly wavering, inconsistent, immoral and unethical, easily provoked to cruelty and bullying. Show he is not.

 

I'm just now reading this convoluted post. I'm trying to understand why I seem to be your target here...? Is there a reason why you feel the need to accuse me of anything because I support Cruz over trump? I'm citing policies and positions of respective candidates and you are trying to make this personal?
You are making accusations about me and you know nothing about me.
If this is how you reason, then I am not surprised that you support Trump...making assumptions, accusations, and insults without cause, reason or evidence. Just throw something out there to see if it sticks. Not impressed.....but it's what I would expect. You make my case.

I'm on my way to mass on this Divine Mercy Sunday. God help this nation...have Mercy.