US Presidential election 2016

I'm going to my safe zone.

 

Where is hate? I only hate policies that lead to killing babies and the ruination of my country. If exposing that is considered hate, then so be it. Your judgement is completely off base.

I've been called a hack, and numerous other insults by trump supporters on this form and I think that is hateful. I tolerate it without insulting back because the issues are more important than me...but please don't make unwarranted claims about me.

And I do all of the above....March for life, daily mass, rosary, ProLife political action chairperson, legion of mary, leader of a rosary group.....

I am praying daily for the babies and my country! For forty years now. I think I have earned the right to voice my opinion without being insulted.

“Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

― Dietrich Bonhoeffer

 

It's Time for Vespers, that's pretty safe

 

That's awesome.

 

Trump is tacky. Maybe it's because he's one of those blunt, direct New Yorkers. Do I think he's dangerous? No. Do I think he would be worse for our country than Obama has been or any of the democrats running? No. Present company excluded, our nation is populated with ignorant, tacky, base, vulgar, immature and whiny voters. Generally, people with a normal ego and who are virtuous would never run for office in a million years, in my opinion.

 

Re tweet from Trumps spoke person... From FOX news Megan Kelly,not a Trump fan

Katrina Pierson Retweeted
Megyn Kelly‏@megynkelly Feb 29
.@KatrinaPierson: “Mr. Trump has condemned David Duke. And by the way, David Duke did not endorse Trump, so it is a non-issue.” #KellyFile

 

Beth B, it's probably time to just bow out. There is no reasoning with those who are voting for Trump. If the frontal lobe was involved, they wouldn't have picked Trump in the first place. It's based on anger.

If someone is putting pro-life issues first, there is no way they'll come up with Trump as their candidate. Something else is going on.

I'd like to see Rubio as the GOP candidate, as he would have the best chance of winning the general election, but the momentum looks like it's toward Cruz right now. I'd rather lose with Cruz than win with Trump (not that Trump would win, he'd get slaughtered by Hillary), but the GOP would avoid embarrassment and at least Cruz has a better chance of winning than Trump.

 

It's all about The Matters of the Mind.

 

Thanks MC...funny you should post this right now. I just returned from Mass and was praying for direction here. Maybe your suggestion is just that answer. I think that you're probably right.

During the last election with Obama, myself with a group of other Catholics got together to plan a "Catholic Campaign against Obama". We organized a rally with priest for life, had a Facebook page, took out ads in the paper, did radio programs etc. and in the end, Obama still won with the support of Catholics. I'm thinking the same is going to happen in this election.

You're right...a vote for trump is a vote born of anger ....not of principle.

I keep thinking about that period in Germany when the folks were in the same state of mind as are Americans now. A leader emerged that spoke to that rage...a leader who would totally upset the system. He spoke to their anger with equally angry rhetoric. He was going to make Germany great again...he was a nationalist...he spoke to the populist ....and he won.

Anyone seeing behind his mask and warned against it was soundly drowned out. Reason was dead.

That's what I'm seeing here...reason is dead. Even Trump who brags that he could kill someone on fifth ave. and his supporters will never abandon him, understand how effective he is at manipulation.

Trump spews hatred with every utterance from his mouth, and yet when you simply post trumps own record of personal and political hate speak, you are the one who is condemned....for having the gall to speak out.

Will the Catholics who are offended that trumps record is exposed for what it is on a political thread be equally offended when their first amendment is restricted by this same candidate who has threatened to forward new legislation that would restrict the freedom of the press...to sue anyone who would speak out against him?


Threatens To Sue Media Outlets, ‘Open Up’ Libel Laws: ‘With Me, They’re Not Protected’

Donald Trump is going after the media, threatening to sue publications for writing negatively about him.

“If I become president, oh, do they have problems. They’re gonna have such problems,” Trump said.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ts-as-president-with-me-theyre-not-protected/


So if you are among those who feel this political discussion, even heated discussion, is distasteful and you want to go back to polite Christian speak, you have it. I'll do as Maryschild suggested and bow out. But please, keep in mind that by tuning out this unpleasant, messy political debate will not keep the political realities of a trump presidency from affecting your life.

Germans were angry and ripe for change ....others just closed their ears. We saw how that worked out.

I pray that against all odds, trump will be defeated before he gets the nomination. I pray that I'm wrong about how dangerous i believe he will be.

I'll just pray...I know in the end, regardless of the outcome, Gods will be done. We will get the government that we deserve.

 

I tried to add this last appeal to my previous post, but it was too long.

I think this is worth a last appeal as the article itself is titled!


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I am proud to be a co-signatory to the following letter authored by George Weigel and Professor Robert George that was released moments ago. The letter is an appeal to our fellow Catholics to reject the candidacy of Donald Trump and choose one of the qualified alternatives. The letter does not dismiss or deny many of the genuine concerns that have animated Trump supporters. Rather, it affirms that their frustrations are real and legitimate. Please share our message today with your family and friends, especially those living in key primary states such as Michigan, Ohio, and Florida. -Brian


An Open Letter to Catholics, and all People of Good Will

In recent decades, the Republican party has been a vehicle — imperfect, like all human institutions, but serviceable — for promoting causes at the center of Catholic social concern in the United States:

(1) providing legal protection for unborn children, the physically disabled and cognitively handicapped, the frail elderly, and other victims of what Saint John Paul II branded “the culture of death”;

(2) defending religious freedom in the face of unprecedented assaults by officials at every level of government who have made themselves the enemies of conscience;

(3) rebuilding our marriage culture, based on a sound understanding of marriage as the conjugal union of husband and wife; and

(4) re-establishing constitutional and limited government, according to the core Catholic social-ethical principle of subsidiarity.

There have been frustrations along the way, to be sure; no political party perfectly embodies Catholic social doctrine. But there have also been successes, and at the beginning of the current presidential electoral cycle, it seemed possible that further progress in defending and advancing these noble causes was possible through the instrument of the Republican party.

That possibility is now in grave danger. And so are those causes.

Donald Trump is manifestly unfit to be president of the United States. His campaign has already driven our politics down to new levels of vulgarity. His appeals to racial and ethnic fears and prejudice are offensive to any genuinely Catholic sensibility. He promised to order U.S. military personnel to torture terrorist suspects and to kill terrorists’ families — actions condemned by the Church and policies that would bring shame upon our country.

And there is nothing in his campaign or his previous record that gives us grounds for confidence that he genuinely shares our commitments to the right to life, to religious freedom and the rights of conscience, to rebuilding the marriage culture, or to subsidiarity and the principle of limited constitutional government.

We understand that many good people, including Catholics, have been attracted to the Trump campaign because the candidate speaks to issues of legitimate and genuine concern: wage stagnation, grossly incompetent governance, profligate governmental spending, the breakdown of immigration law, inept foreign policy, stifling “political correctness” — for starters.

There are indeed many reasons to be concerned about the future of our country, and to be angry at political leaders and other elites. We urge our fellow Catholics and all our fellow citizens to consider, however, that there are candidates for the Republican nomination who are far more likely than Mr. Trump to address these concerns, and who do not exhibit his vulgarity, oafishness, shocking ignorance, and — we do not hesitate to use the word — demagoguery.

Mr. Trump’s record and his campaign show us no promise of greatness; they promise only the further degradation of our politics and our culture. We urge our fellow Catholics and all our fellow citizens to reject his candidacy for the Republican presidential nomination by supporting a genuinely reformist candidate.

Robert P. George
McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence
Princeton University

George Weigel
Distinguished Senior Fellow and
William E. Simon Chair in Catholic Studies
Ethics and Public Policy Center

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The Heritage Foundation

Stephen M. Barr
University of Delaware

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Baylor University

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Neil Corkery
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David Paul Deavel
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Mary Eberstadt
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Georgetown University

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Mary Rice Hasson
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University of St. Thomas

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Rachel Lu
Senior Contributor
The Federalist

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Lehman Professor of Christian Doctrine
Perkins School of Theology
Southern Methodist University

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Professor of Law and
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University of Iowa College of Law

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Former Washington Editor
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The Catholic University of America

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Faith and Reason Institute

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University of St. Thomas

Timothy Samuel Shah
Religious Freedom Project
Georgetown University

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Director
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Hudson Institute

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Developmental psychologist and author

David R. Upham
Associate Professor of Politics
University of Dallas

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Ethics and Public Policy Center

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reading through the thread, I see everyone is very invigorated about the politics....but I don't think we will be able to convince one another to switch sides so I think we will all have to agree to disagree here...

 

Catholic priests and bishops have been voting democrat for decades. Even today.

 

FOX Business 2 hours ago reported and now MSNBC reporting many dems in Michagan ( open primary)voting for Kasich, they don't want Trump against Hillary!

So the Repubs and Dems and alot of World leaders and now today on Drudge, silicon valley meeting with top GOPe to stop Trump...

WOW...ALL the reason to vote TRUMP!!! Globalists are scared of TRUMP

God Bless Trump for fighting the NWO, he has everything and could have lived his life in relative peace ... Now the powers in control war against Trump!

Trump 2016...are LAST chance America!

 

Mich.. 1% of vote in ,Kasich ahead of Trump by almost 1%....

I believe the elites will win against Trump tonight, ughhhhhhh

Rage against the Machine!

 

FOX Business projects Trump the winner in ol' Miss....woooooooooot!

Blessed be God!
53.8%

God Bless Dixie Land!

 

Niel Bush joins Ted Cruz campaign...breaking w/Niel Cavuto now on FOX Business...Bye Bye Cruz..... the Bushs like the illegals...man o man

 

Rubio chooses billionaire gay ‘marriage’ advocate to head his fundraising

WASHINGTON, D.C., March 8, 2016 (LifeSiteNews) -- Marco Rubio is staunchly pro-marriage, but he’s facing questions after the revelation that he is appointing Paul Singer, a major gay “marriage” proponent, as his campaign finance chairman.

Politico speculated that the choice is part of a Wall Street campaign to stop Donald Trump. Merco Press claimed the choice "shows just how willing Rubio is to risk voter backlash in order to continue raising money for his campaign march."

Singer founded the hedge fund Elliot Management Corporation, and is worth about$2.2 billion according to Forbes. In 2012, he started a Super PAC devoted to promoting the gay agenda, personally donating $1 million.

Fortune reports that since endorsing Rubio in October, Singer has become one of Rubio’s top donors.

Rubio is expected to formally announce the pick on March 10... https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/r...e-pushing-billionaire-to-head-his-fundraising

 

Catholic "leaders" jump on the Donald Trump demonization bandwagon: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/catholic-leaders-rally-conscience-voters-to-oppose-trump

The minute I saw Neocon George Weigel's name and National Review mentioned, I knew what this was all about. The fact that George Weigel and National Review are telling me to not vote for Trump, is just all the more reason for me to vote for Trump.

 

Fair enough - but are the same people not prepared to do the same for Hilary Clinton & the Democrats who are the death merchants of innocent American life?