Woe to unrepentant abortionists! 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.'"Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels --- There are special tortures destined for particular souls. These are the torments of the senses. Each soul undergoes terrible and indescribable sufferings, related to the manner in which it has sinned. There are caverns and pits of torture where one form of agony differs from another. I would have died at the very sight of these tortures if the omnipotence of God had not supported me. Let the sinner know that he will be tortured throughout all eternity, in those senses which he made use of to sin. I am writing this at the command of God, so that no soul may find an excuse by saying there is no hell, or that nobody has ever been there, and so no one can say what it is like. I, sister Faustina, by the order of God, have visited the abysses of hell so that I might tell souls about it and testify to its existence. I cannot speak about it now; but I have received a command from God to leave it in writing. The devils were full of hatred for me, but they had to obey me at the command of God. What I have written is but a pale shadow of the things I saw. But I noticed one thing: that most of the souls there are those who disbelieved that there is a hell. When I came to, I could hardly recover from the fright. How terribly souls suffer there! Consequently, I pray even more fervently for the conversion of sinners. I incessantly plead God’s mercy upon them. O my Jesus, I would rather be in agony until the end of the world, amidst the greatest sufferings, then offend You by the least sin. (Diary 741).
Padraig, surely Pope Francis does good things every day. I would imagine he does dozens of good things every day, no? So why is that you only post something about Pope Francis when he makes a mistake? What is the purpose of this? Is it that you want to prove your suspicions were right even though you have railed against him the past such as the multiple accusations about what he might do at the Synod which proved to be unfounded when it was over? I pray daily that you and all in the world who question his missteps can begin to choose to see the good he does and begin to trust in Jesus and His promise.
A, 'Mistake?' . Do you mean a, 'Mistake', like putting too much salt on your eggs or forgetting your house keys? This was a lot more than than that, it was rather like like congratulating Mussolini for getting the trains run on time. I am aghast. The Holy Father congratulates a famous mass baby killer in public for being a , 'Forgotten great' and you term this a, 'Mistake' !!! Are you crazy?
I believe I'm still sane. But thank you for that charitable concern But why do you never post of the good things he does? What is your purpose in posting about only the bad things?
Have you not seen or read the thread on Pope Francis? Pope Francis A place for discussions the words and activities of our very Holy Father Francis http://motheofgod.com/threads/a-new-forum-on-pope-francis.4570/
There are FB posts that are discussing this: "Kaleb Patrick Lïppërt 10 hrs · I, and many other Catholics and even other Christians are very concerned over the reporting of LifeSiteNews, which is very bias and known to make up sketchy and false reporting, especially against the Holy Father, surprised? No. So they have reported that Pope Francis met with Italy's top Abortionist sometime a few weeks ago? I have no clue. I can't find the story anywhere but by LifeSiteNews and Catholic sites that hate Pope Francis. Some "Catholic" sites that hate Pope Francis like One Peter Five and The Remnant Newspaper also took OPF's post and posted, too. I have warned many times not to follow LifeSiteNews becuase of these reasons. Has anyone else noticed these things???" There is a serious question in the ensuing commenters' minds about the intentions of Lifesite news, the validity of this particular report and the fact there are few corroborating internet reports. Has anyone on MOG done more research on this?
I thought you were going to say that "the poor WOMAN is not a bit well in the head".....or better....possessed by now. And Francis HAS had some fruitful results with some of those. I do remember something from OLOMedj rather demanding us all to find something in every brother or sister that has some light in order to bring them to her and her Son. Many people today hate a particular idea of the church within their own minds since they don't experience the one that is supposed to be the hospital for the very sick and dying....one that is out on ALL of the fringes of society. And remember that this is an extraordinary Year of Mercy "Indulgence" where those whose sins are scarlet are most deserving of His Mercy. And you're not going to ask for that mercy if you don't recognize it in any of those supposedly representing Him and His Mercy NOW, here on earth, where there's not much time left. His desire is for ALL to come to His Mercy. Can't despair of any opening for them and just hand them over to Satan. Who knows just what we'll be alerted to ourselves during our own Illuminations! Lecturing the already possessed and hardened will be useless in such an attempt to seek out and find and hopefully cause some new opening. As the theme of JPII's pontificate was BE NOT AFRAID. And this current Pope seems to be rather fearless....esp. when it comes to public opinion of him. How many thought of the man, Jesus, (not comprehending everything about Him and His mission), as a similar example of some "mad man". The big sinners who met Him in those "off the beaten track" places had the personal change due to His Person meeting them where they were. And it's not like those meetings weren't well publicized either....esp. by the Pharisees!!
Am I happy about this...no. But I am just a small soul in a vast universe. It is kind of interesting that the Holy Father spoke about those that condemn a few days ago (Catholic Radio). He basically said that those that condemn and judge...is not from the Holy Spirit but from the DEVIL. There is only one accuser and that is the "created one" himself. When we start judging and condemning...we begin to do Satans work Not sure this helps anyone...because I just don't understand why Our Holy Father would say those things about a lifelong abortionist. Or maybe he should have just stayed silent. Or maybe condemned her to hell. But if Our Holy Father is as mystical as I (my opinion) believe...there has to be a reason. I think Pope Francis is actually fighting demons on earth and has spoken to the "created one" himself. He is having dreams that most saints would not want to see. I think, he knows the secrets of the mystics and seers and he is seeing a downhill spiral. If we believe we are seeing the times of tribulation, what greater insights does Our Holy Father have. Its not easy being the Pope in these days of miracles. I wish I could give an excuse for Our Holy Father. Lets just be gentle with our words. We can debate he is wrong but we cannot judge because that is from the DEVIL.
Yes but isn't it Glenn who makes most of the posts on that thread? What is his view of Pope Francis? Or, perhaps more importantly, what would Conchita's response be to those who spoke against the Pope? I would be amazed if she would be anything other than horrified....
Yes and I see Glenn and other posters charitable toward our Holy Father post good things in there. I do not find those who only point out the splinter in Pope Francis' eye post on there. Which is precisely the point of my question. Why is that? What is their purpose to only point out his mistakes and not his good deeds?
No Andree, beautiful French name between us, I before God can confirm that Pope Francis quote about Emma Bonino is real, I am open even I should not, to provide online any necessary proves. For your information, I am myself in close contact with LifeSite News and confirm that their information is true wihtout any possible doubt, thank you. Aviso
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Bonino 'Bonino was elected to the Italian Chamber of Deputies in 1976 and reelected in 1979, 1983, 1987, 1992, 1994 and 2006. In 1975, she founded the Information Centre on Sterilisation and Abortion and promoted the referendum which led to the legalisation of abortion in Italy' 'Along with Marco Pannella, another member of the Radical Party, Bonino has fought numerous battles for civil rights and individual liberty, mainly concerned with divorce, the legalisation of abortion, the legalisation of drugs, and for sexual and religious freedoms. She has fought for an end to capital punishment, against female genital mutilation, and the eradication of world hunger.' 'It was during the days of the battles for civil rights and Emma had collaborated with the CISA – the Centre for information, sterilisation and abortion founded by Adele Faccio – where clandestine clinics, using the Karman method, helped women who were unable to pay for the “golden spoon” or fly abroad in order to abort. In June 1975, after a period of inaction, Emma Bonino turned herself over to the hands of justice for procured abortion and the campaign was the priority of the Radical Party which already the year before had won the referendum to introduce divorce in Italy.' http://www.emmabonino.it/biography
Here is the original article from the Major Italian newspaper, 'Corriere Della Serra ', from Feburary 8th. This is not a figment of someone's imagination: http://www.ilpost.it/2016/02/08/papa-francesco-emma-bonino/
Who knows what to believe or dis-believe when it comes to the Blogosphere!? There is no doubt that Pope Francis has caused much confusion, strife and division amongst Catholics, Orthodox & Protestants! I Trust it's all part of God's Plan and the STORM .... and RESCUE!? I'm looking at the above Thread as just another "SIGN" to get focused upon The Holy Trinity, The Divine Mercy Message and basics like The Apostles Creed! On the physical side it's a SIGN too! .... Keep Stocking-Up on "Essentials" .... Keep your head on a swivel and your ear to the ground!! GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!
This is a major Italian Newspaper reporting this, the Italian eqivalent to the, 'New York Times' and I have provided a link to the original story. The headline goes, 'What the Pope thinks of Emma Bonno' and underneath it goes on to quote the Holy Father saying that she has provided major thinking on Africa and he does care that she has many diverse opinions about the Church.
I only post positive articles on the Pope and the Catholic Faith on my Pinterest page. However, after this, I may consider no longer posting anything about Pope Francis. or I may start posting all of it, what I agree with and what I don't. If the Pope doesn't mind, why should I? I remember when he first became Pope. It was reported he was speaking to priests, I believe. He said something to the effect of "say whatever is on your mind. don't worry what it sounds like, God will take care of it in the end". I wish I still had that article. I actually tried to live it. Now everyone in my family hates me. I guess it wasn't meant for me. As a Catholic, I do not have to agree with the Pope on how he chooses to go about his business. There are comments on here from some posters about judging. Well, I have read the Pope make judgments recently as to who can identify as a christian and who should not based on their deeds. If you don't do your good deeds, you are a fake Christian I don"t know, maybe it's true. ( I only wish I could live up to a miniscule of what Jesus asks of me, I fail miserably) http://americamagazine.org/issue/pope-francis-god-real-too-many-christians-are-fake So the Pope makes a lot judgments. That's fine, he can say whatever he wants. But there is an inconsistency that confuses me. I seem to be always rationalizing in my head to understand some of the things he says because I want to be faithful. It's becoming tiresome. As I am writing this, I have just rationalized how I am going to accept this latest conundrum (for me). I suppose we are called to judge our brothers and sisters in the Faith, but have mercy upon those who are not Christian because they don't know what they are doing. I guess, I don't know, I am so confused. If his goal was to save this person's soul, then praise whatever good deeds she has done privately. I guess I am just a weak Christian. Jesus, have mercy on me. I think it would be best for me to stop putting so much emphasis on what the Pope says and does outside of faith and morals. Although that will be hard for me, it goes against my nature. I am going to do my best to pray for him. One last thing, I posted on this site because I needed a place to air my thoughts. It has helped a little to do so. On some Catholic forums, they have the thread locked so no one can view it. It hasn't been mentioned on another forum that I visit. I wanted to post the lifesite article to open for discussion, but I was brought up not to put Catholic controversy out in the open. So I was afraid to post it. I am going to link it now. It is good to get these things out in the open. Thanks.
Don Don't orry about those on here that talk about judgement etc. They are the first to judge intentions as you will see when you read through the threads. Of course we can make judgements that is the whole pointof having an intellect. We judge the truth or falsity of statements. We judge the right or wrong of actions etc. What none here have done is judge the heart, the intentions with which a statement is made or act comittees. Someone may do something wrong from a pure motive but that in no way makes what they have done therefore a good act. What it may do is mitigate the extent of blameworthiness for the act, given circumstances etc.
I believe what the pope is doing is showing to the world how narrow the definition of "papal infallibility" really is. That, and trying to create division within the church. As they said in Star Trek, Scotty beam me up! Pope Francis's comments on "who am I to judge" opened up the floodgates for gay marriage here in the states (regardless of what he meant). His off the cuff comments may or may not be twisted by the church's enemies (does anybody know what he means). He should wake up and at least notice that he is being used by the enemies of the church to create division and destroy it.
Yes...you as a individual can make all the judgements you want. The issue is when you judge another person. Our Holy Father has never judged an individual. It's not his job or your job. You can judge the sin and talk about the consequence. That is what Our Holy Father does. But when you individually attack, judge and accuse. Then...that it is from the other guy.
