We all have our fight...we will all be guided by the Holy Spirit. Each will have his/her own mission. No one is a idiot...some with prayers and guns and others with prayer alone. Hopefully, crewdog is close to me...but I think I am called to prayer alone. Even Our Holy Father understands guns are necessary and has called for the dismantling of Isis. He understands that would entail military action. We are all special in the Eyes of God. As long with those with guns follow the Holy Spirit... it will all work out. Catholic teaching has the law of just war. Sometimes, God understands, the military is needed to stop evil. Brother al
No Dolours ... You are not an Idiot! I believe that we all must prepare as best we can using our means, skills ... and Brains ... and Faith. If the current unpleasantness unfolds as I suspect ... and as 6000 years of recorded Human History demonstrates ... our earthly survival depends upon People of Faith gathering together to share their "Stuff", Skills and Faith ............. some will have to be the warriors ... some will be cooks-n-bottle washers, nurses, farmers, handymen ........... just as it has always been! Safety in numbers! ... at 65+ ... I'm no Rambo!! GOD GUIDE & SAVE ALL HERE!!
When I read DeGaulle comments I thought...he really doesn't know crewdog. I was going to post a comment but i knew crewdog could fight his own battles. Brother al
I may end up a dead hero rather than a live coward. Alas, I'll still be dead. This isn't the movies. Still, so be it, they'll have to come through me. I hope not to be a "wimp". Mere bravado, commendable though it may be, won't be enough to save you. Obviously, the citizens of countries that haven't disarmed them have a bit of an advantage. In Europe, apart from the State, only criminals and terrorists have the advantage of being armed, apart from the odd .22 hunting rifle or non-repeat shotgun! A different world. We're sitting ducks.
DeGaulle, post: 116111, member: 4362"].................. "In Europe, apart from the State, only criminals and terrorists have the advantage of being armed, apart from the odd .22 hunting rifle or non-repeat shotgun! A different world. We're sitting ducks. DeGaulle ... I'll bet The Farm that as soon as the SHTF Moment arrives you will be surprised, even in Europe and Democrat Socialist States USA, how many armed Good-Guys "come out of the woodwork"! Good People hide their weapons because they have an understandable lack of faith in Government ... especially "these days". Bad-Guys don't hide their arms 'cause they use them, daily, in their evil "business" Do you really believe that God will allow His Flock to be exterminated? Yes!! We are already witnessing Death-n-Destruction but many of the victims had plenty of Warning ... and failed to prepare, failed to form up in defensive action and probably failed to heed their Guardian Angels "tappin' on their shoulder"! Just like the Jews in 1930s Germany. I've never claimed to be a Bible Scholar ...sooo .. if somebody here can show me where it says we are expected to act like sheep led to slaughter ..... anyone!!?? GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!
Thanks, CrewDog for the fighting words and encouragement. We may be outgunned, but the little ships of Lepanto were hopelessly so too. However, they had a secret weapon, a dedication to Our Lady from over your way, Our Lady of Tepayec/Guadalupe. Our Lady of Victory, pray for us!!
I understand what you're saying, CrewDog, but there are so many differences between Europe and the US that it would take an encyclopaedic post to explain how the arm yourself message doesn't sit well with us. All I can do is caution you to be very careful about how you transmit your message of armed defence to young people who don't have your experience and prayer life to guide and sustain them. Take care to not let the power hungry use their faith to blind them with hatred, as has happened so often in the past and is happening now with Islam. When the time comes for Catholics to take up arms in defence of the faith, the Holy Spirit will get the message through to us via the Magisterium. When that happens it will be the only option open to us and faithful Catholics (however few in number) will answer the call and, with God's grace, triumph provided they don't change from victim to aggressor. I know that you are preparing for a complete breakdown in society rather than an actual war, but these things can get out of hand very quickly especially where deadly weapons are involved. I pray that none of this will come to pass. All I know for sure is that the more I pray the more I'm aware of my own shortcomings as I come in contact with people whose witness puts me to shame. I'm definitely a work in progress.
Even closer to the US, here in Canada the concept of needing guns to defend against whoever it is we are suppose to be afraid of is almost non-existent. In my view if I felt like I needed a gun I would also feel I've lost my faith and trust in God. (and I could access rifles quite easily through family) Yes, I would and will defend myself and my family to the death if needed in a truely self defence situation. But over a bag of rice? Nope. God's in charge. If I couldn't get or find food and water, and Jesus and Mary don't intervene then I starve to death. This, I pray I am that strong, would be accepted as God's will and none of the suffering would be in vain as I would offer it all for souls. I admit I may feel differently having been raise in the US (especially the further south you go) or if had been in the military like crewdog. Seems in the US everyone has a gun or feels like they should since no one really knows who the "good guys" are. Seems like an everyone for themselves mentality. The funniest thing about this is it's hard enough just trying to be a good Catholic daily, struggling to stay faithful during such a storm may take most people's energy. Not sure a gun would help that.
Bear in mind that if law and order completely breaks down you are left to be your own enforcer. If you are the possessor of the bag of rice it might be the right thing to share it, but if your neighbour is one whose intent is to kill you for it all regardless, does one not have the duty to protect oneself and more particularly one's loved ones? I think that bag of rice is truly a "self-defence situation". The situation is undoubtedly complex: http://wdtprs.com/blog/2013/01/did-jesus-tell-the-apostles-to-buy-weapons-yes-to-use-them/
Fear is a motivator or unmotivator. I served in two wars in two different services but that has nothing to do with knowing a bad guy is going to rob the house without the gun before he attempts to rob the house with the gun. God is very much in charge but if I can help deter one of his children from sinning by owning a gun; I am willing to help out. Here in the US we very much know who the bad guys are and no, we're not all in it for ourselves... that's why we own guns; to protect ourselves and loved ones from those bad guys.
no stocking up, ive owned mine for many many years. The Vatican has its own armory by the way, im sure its not to defend a bag of rice.
I hope I haven't given you the impression that I'm condemning you, CrewDog or anyone else for taking whatever measures you deem prudent. That is not my intention. In a way, I can understand where you're coming from. If society breaks down in the USA, you have a very powerful military controlled by an increasingly autocratic Administration which is often at odds with the majority population in individual states. There is no European military, although I reckon that's the long term goal which, thankfully, has been put on hold since the economic crisis and I'm hoping that the immigrant crisis won't be used as an excuse to get it under way. If we had a European military, most likely jointly controlled by Germany and France (and the UK depending on whether or not they stay in), we might not be so complacent. Frankly, if I lived in the US and particularly an isolated area of the US, I might well be considering arming myself irrespective of any prophesy. As DeGaulle said, the vast majority of people here don't own guns and even the police are not armed, but the criminals have no problem acquiring any kind of weapons they want. Although you have a high rate of gun violence, we have a high rate of burglaries and lately aggravated burglary has been on the rise with elderly people in rural areas being terrorised in their own homes. The difference here is that if you shoot a burglar both you and the burglar could end up in court with you getting the longer sentence. It's a funny old world.
if you had a gun, you could have a side of that rice with a slab of venison too...actually your whole neighborhood could share the venison. well, I don't live in an area that rural, yet to see a deer is not unusual...they are everywhere in the US really. not that I have a gun...like I said in another thread, I think if I lived in an area that had taken in muslim refugees then as a woman, I would want a gun. but otherwise, my krav maga self defense skills will have to do...unless I saw a gun lying around when chaos is at its worst...I wouldn't pass it by.
Actually, some people recommend pepper spray. I think that may be illegal here too because I have never seen it for sale, although I believe it is available over the counter in some Muslim countries. In all fairness, it isn't Muslims committing the burglaries here. It's mostly home grown heroes. I doubt that any of us would pass by a gun if push came to shove, but maybe it won't come to that. I still have my doubts about all these private revelations. Incidentally, would you know how to skin and gut the deer?
I personally would not know how to skin or gut a deer. I was trying to make the point of another use of a gun. I don't live in a rural area, and in some ways I wish I did with what is to come. You have more of an opportunity to be self sufficient. I wish I knew some hunters like I did when I was in college. I do love venison. I think we are in for a storm, but I am not basing it on specific private revelation. More on gut instinct.
My question was only half serious, although I wonder how many people taking this warning seriously would actually know basic survival skills. Our parents and grandparents knew how to pluck and clean fowl and fish, and maybe skin animals like rabbits, but most of us wouldn't know where to begin. I tasted venison once and didn't like it. I'm very partial to lamb, so if the storm hits us my best option could be to head for the hills and make friends with a butcher.
Our civilisation is highly vulnerable because of it's extreme specialisation. Those of us who are competent and productive tend to know quite a lot about very little. The underclasses mostly consist of people who know very little about anything and are dependent on hand-outs collected from those who produce the wealth. There are very few generalists left, by which I mean those who have adequate knowledge about a great many things essential for survival. Even as recent as two generations ago rural Ireland consisted of very many people of the now-derided peasant class, essentially the small farmers, who possessed a great variety of life skills now lost to most. Every small farmer grew his own vegetables and preserved them, kept a pig or two for meat which he slaughtered himself and salted and smoked to keep it. He also kept a draught horse which he knew how to "tackle" for the plough. Each possessed enormous amounts of small pieces of information which he passed on to the next generation by word or example. This vital chain of traditional information has been abruptly severed by progressive modernity, a philosophy that takes great amusement in mocking and reviling this old and very successful peasant tradition-the word is even an insult now. In this they are similar, but less drastic, than Stalin, who saw the challenge of his enterprising and self-sufficient Kulaks and therefore slaughtered them all. Of course, the Soviet result was massive famines because nobody was left to efficiently produce food. Here in Ireland, most of the peasant class have been 'educated' into becoming mass commodity producers. They know all about tractors and much else, because they are still the most enterprising and dynamic social group, but much of the old traditional knowledge has been lost and will have to be relearned from future experience and painful trial and error, a process which may take centuries. Consequently, I fear that civilisation's final fall (it is already well on it's way and has been for a very long time and it is all probably quite irreversible) will be very sudden and cataclysmically fatal.
Yesterday on fox news Sunday, I heard a quote by secretary of State John Kerry on the lifting of sanctions on Iran. This is the first day for the future of World peace (words to this effect) Since the secratery speaks on behalf of the President its safe to say....
You are absolutely right Degaulle! Modern society .. especially in Urban Areas are as near helpless a bunch of humans as ever existed ............ and with all the "Signs" that even cradle to grave Atheists are beginning to notice ....... I'll Say Again! .... Plan and Prepare as best your Faith, Means and Skills allow. Scripture, History and modern seers speak of a Gathering Together ... Refuges! Places where People of Faith will Hold-Out by sharing their warewithal and defending themselves with weapons of Faith and Arms .... countless past historical/Biblical examples.... until .... ??!! ... I will believe that the predictions of Charlie J. and many others are true. When all is Death & Darkness about us, The Lord will be with us and save us in a very spectacular way! ............. Just as Scripture tells us too!! GOD GUIDE AND SAVE ALL HERE!!
