Someone must be wrong!

Discussion in 'The mystical and Paranormal' started by Malachi, Oct 21, 2015.

  1. Malachi

    Malachi Archangels

    The many seers and prophets of this age all speak to our anticipations and sense of upheaval and change of historical moment that is sweeping the globe. The question I raise here quite genuinely is that they can't all be right. There are irreconcilable incongruities especially concerning the projected sequence of events. My question is simply what scenario do you feel most represents your own sense of the times.
    For instance Charlie who I greatly respect has spoken of a series of wars that begins with economic collapse and ends with the triumph of Mary within the next two years or so. Mark Mallett who I have been reading for many years has spoken of a future that I think is much truer to catholic prophecy and my own sense of the times. For example what essential difference is there between say any other age of economic collapse and war and what Charlie has spoken of? If you were alive in the mid to late 1920s and with the looming threat of Hitler on the horizon culminating in the horror of WWII surely you would think this was a concrete affirmation of the veracity of my prophetic utterances?
    I don't know about you but I certainly don't fear any Christian pogroms around the corner despite living in an increasinhly anti catholic and puerile Irish free state.
     
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  2. Joe Crozier

    Joe Crozier Guest

    Hi Malachi
    For what it is worth I try to keep it simple and believe in the prophesies and revelations given at Garabandal. I believe they are coming into their time of fulfillment. There are many signs that support this opinion. I don't know how Charlie Johnson can be wrong about how the Tribulation and Warning will come to pass but I believe 100% that he is. He says an angel guides him. Who am I to argue with this? I am a nobody. Charlie is a man of God. I trust in the words given to the three girls in the 60s and in the verifiable witness of the events. My Irish cousin Maureen is going over from Tyrone to spend some time with my old mum in Scotland next weekend. Somehow I suspect she would agree with you about those pogroms of yours. But the Irish would know more about pogroms than any old Kiwi like me. Mum is 87 and she thinks we are on the verge of war. BTW she is still sharp as a pin....mostly. Look out for the pope going to Moscow and when things get bad look out for the crashing stars and bow your head. Help is at hand.
     
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  3. I read with interest what Charlie says, I'm a little undecided on him though. I can't see the triumph coming in two years unless Our Lady is going to be on double time!
    I find Mark's blog very insightful and he backs up most of what he says with solid references.
    Other than that I just pray and do the usual catholic things and refuse to worry!
     
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  4. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Regardless of what the future holds, Charlie is a pleasure to read and to take the next right step is excellent advice under any circumstances.

    However, although not all can be exactly right and I imagine prophesy must necessarily be like looking through a glass darkly, there appear to be a lot of prophesies from seemingly rock solid sources and genuine people that share a similar gist. They mostly seem to point to an imminent nemesis to our hubris. The sequence of events may differ, but the pieces on the board seem to be assembling. Certainly, there have been wars through history, but none before with nuclear protagonists in a region centred on Armageddon/Megiddo. Certainly, there have been economic disasters before, but never such a grand house of cards built on such unthinkable levels of unpayable debt as we now face.

    Never has a civilisation had so far to fall.
     
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  5. Joe Crozier

    Joe Crozier Guest

    Good stuff my Gaullist friend. You demonstrate a fine command of the English language:"imminent nemesis to our hubris" indeed. Well put.
     
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  6. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Charlie was given that the 'RESCUE' comes late 2017. This I can contend with. However, his personal interpretation of the Rescue as the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart is much much harder to buy into for me. I t seems to me the 'rescue' could well be the moment our lady takes her remnent into the desert for 3.5 years (Rev:12) and hides them for this period. HIs time frame does not seem to go along with scripture and other prophecies that speaks of this era of apostasy that we are in, followed by the Antichrist and climaxed in the 3 day's of darkness. Perhaps this is why Charlie has a hard time with what Garabandal teaches on the Warning and the Miracle followed then by global Chastisements. This all takes time and 2 years does not seem long enough to fit it all in. Obviously I could be wrong, but it is much harder for me to believe the new era of peace that our Lady of Fatima spoke of following the Triumph of her Immaculate Heart is a mere 2 years away and the era of the Antichrist is somehow in a later period where there has to be a second period of global war and global apostasy and global natural disasters. Scripture does not speak of two periods like we are presently in.
     
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  7. Charlie Johnston

    Charlie Johnston Archangels

    Fatima, I could be wrong that the Rescue is the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart, but I don't think so. That interpretation is not original to me, but was suggested to me by several theologians and eschatologists. After some study, I have come to think it is an accurate interpretation. But what I have been specifically told is that we will be visibly and miraculously rescued by Our Lady the Immaculate Conception in very late 2017. Frankly, it could also be the Warning, the Miracle, or the Illumination - or perhaps they are all the same thing. As to the time frame, it worried me a little late last year...thinking we needed to get moving, for late 2017 is a hard date. The Lord appeared to me and told me, "When I act, it is done."

    As to the two periods, actually the Church Fathers and eschatologists through the ages have been near unanimous that there will be a minor apostasy - largely described in Revelations 12, followed by a period of Church unification - and then a Major Apostasy. A few days ago, I was stunned when a reader sent me this piece - http://unveilingtheapocalypse.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/pope-benedict-xvi-on-chronology-of.html -
    to tell me that Pope Emeritus Benedict's eschatology, including the year of unification, is near identical to my own.
     
  8. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)

    Tick tock tick tock

    As they say...you are on the clock

    :)
     
  9. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    This sounds as good as any...

    I have good news and bad news.

    We live in the age of Fatima. So we know how this all ends:

    “In the end, My Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to Me, and she will be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world.”

    It is quite natural, reasonable, and proper to view the current events in the Church and wonder where this time fits within the big prophetical scheme of things. It isn’t uncommon, unfortunately, to see people claiming that this or that current personage is the False Prophet or the Antichrist. Those who make such claim show an errant understand of Catholic prophecy in general.

    Those conversant with Catholic teaching on the end times, going all the way back to the Fathers of the Church and detailed by saints in private revelation ever since, understand that our era is certainly not the end times, properly understood,but likely the latter times. Indications are that we are coming to the close of an era that is to precede the end times proper.

    Besides the prophecies and teaching about the end-times proper (The time of Antichrist, the Return of Christ, and the end of the world), no other period in Church history has been prophesied more than the end of this current era. More on that in a moment.

    How can I be so sure that our era is the era so long taught and prophesied? Fatima, that is why. Fatima is not a stand-alone event in the history of private revelation. The warnings and promises of Fatima concur precisely with the teaching of the fathers and doctors and copious amounts of approved private revelation from saints over millennia.

    A very short summary of events looks like this:

    • The Church is in crisis and seems close to its eclipse.
    • The climax of this Church crisis occurs concurrently with a global war (particularly in Europe and starting with civil strife/war breaking out in France and Italy),
    • grievous but short-term persecution of the clergy and faithful,
    • AND a heaven sent chastisement,
    When these crises reach their climax, it is devastating. But it only lasts a few years. The Pope is KILLED (concurs with vision of Fatima) and afterward the enemies of the Church boast that they have won. But suddenly, almost inexplicably, a new Pope is elected, a Pope that will transform everything in the Church.

    He will restore all that was good and lead the Church and the world, along with a great civil leader from France, into an era of peace (again, concurs with Fatima). This age of peace will be marked by the complete transformation of the world and general end to heresy and schism. The gospel will be preached to the four corners of the world and be believed by many. This will fulfill the requirement that the gospel be preached to the whole world before then end. After some time, the length of which is debated, faith again cools and iniquity abounds, eventually leading to Antichrist.

    How long until such things might happen? We don’t know. If one looked at the cold war of the sixties and the devastation to the Church and the liturgy that occurred with and after the Second Vatican Council, one might have been convinced that the moment had come. But in retrospect, we now know that those events were just the opening volleys in a war that has brought us to this moment. Truly, in very real ways, the errors of Russia have spread around the world in the post cold war era. They are now so pervasive that prelates at the very top of Church hierarchy espouse them daily without blush and to much applause.

    So we must admit, even looking at the current horrors going on in the Church and the world, that things can still get worse. That is the bad news.

    The good news is that God is not indifferent to our plight and it is HIS Church after all. God will act and save us from ourselves, but the punishment will be worse than anything since the time of Noah. But there is a light at the end of this dark tunnel. We have been promised an era of peace, a time of one flock and one shepherd, and a time when faith will flourish as never before.

    And God keeps his promises.http://whatisupwiththesynod.com/ind...ds=10207715283139253&fb_action_types=og.likes
     
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  10. josephite

    josephite Powers

    This is how I see it and try to put it in a nutshell for myself.


    Our Lord started His Church and stated that this was the good news, commissioned His apostles to go out and convert the world, He had overcome the reign of sin through His death and resurrection and opened the gates of heaven so we can have eternal life with God and be able to lean on Him and His church when here on earth during our pilgrimage in this valley of tears.


    The Lord stated that He would be with His church until the end.


    The Church is firstly Our Lord’s not ours. The lord works in the Church through His Holy Spirit to nourish it but also to rid it of error. In the life of the Church and over the course of centuries many sins and heresies had to be exorcised out of the faith. Councils and dogmas were issued to combat these.


    Luther and St Frances looked at the power and wealth of the church that seemed to tolerate a hidden but accepted sin of greed, however St Frances decides to rebuild the church from within but Luther leaves the church and in so doing makes extreme and growing errors of judgement in many areas of faith and he institutes a new church based on these errors.


    This opened the flood gates and many new so called Christian churches came into existence. During the reformation many of the heresies commenced and continue in these other Christian churches.

    When you think about it, the heresies of division and the splintering of Christian Churches from the Catholic Church has resulted in a much smaller Catholic Church than would otherwise be the case. But this must be, as truth cannot be compromised and the teaching of the Holy Spirit must not be despised.



    Evil and error have always tried to infiltrate the Church, hiding in some corner festering beneath the surface until it is uprooted and removed by Our Lord in different ways; take the child abuse scandals that have surfaced over the last 10-20 years. This has definitely hurt Church numbers but Our Lord had to bring it out into the light and remove it.


    Since the 1960’s we find that the Catholic Church in the West has shrunk to near remnant proportions that you read about in prophesies.


    What I believe is different today is that, as the world continues to plunge into greater sin, unfortunately some of the remnant within the Church itself have compromised with the world; accepting, contraception, abortion, euthanasia, same sex union, remarrying after divorce and living together before marriage



    So the true Catholic Church is really a remnant of a remnant!


    I believe that this is why Our Lady is appearing so often over the last century warning us to come back to the truth and why Our Lord will act with Justice soon.
     
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  11. Charlie Johnston

    Charlie Johnston Archangels

    Yes I am, Brother Al, and there I am content to be.
     
  12. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)

    I was at your conference in Los Angeles...you are a good man :)

    Good speaker too

    :)


     
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  13. Charlie Johnston

    Charlie Johnston Archangels

    I wish you would have introduced yourself. I well know that you are a good and faithful man.
     
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  14. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I believe your, 'rescue' is indeed the Illumination Charlie. However as they rejected Christ many will reject this huge Grace. If a car is going in a hundred miles an hour in one direction it will not be easily turned around in the exact opposite. That is why the Pharisees laughed at and mocked Jesus when He was dying....

    Luke 9:22

    And he said, "The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life."
     
  15. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I believe there is a mystical affinity to this phenomena to the death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ. Including the three days of darkness...
     
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  16. josephite

    josephite Powers

    I hope the cars carrying some of my children and others I pray for, will be removed or overhauled by the Illumination/warning!
     
  17. DBM

    DBM Angels

    Greetings Charlie to you from the West of Ireland.
    I read that piece you linked in post, I found it so interesting, I liked that bit about the laity becoming like Saints...'many of the laity will become virtuous and will live saintly lives'

    Very inspiring...

    Anyways, keep up the good work,
    God Bless, you & yours,

    DBM.
     
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  18. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Charlie, thanks for the reply. I think you make my point in that you were not told that the 'rescue' was the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary (Fatima 1917 prophecy), but rather it comes from a few respected men in the field of faith and eschatology study. I respect that, but I am more in line with Mark Mallett in thinking we are entering into the era of the anti-Christ and it will be a much longer period of purification than 2 years from today. Obviously none of us know for certain and all of us will continue to be surprised at what we may think now, but I feel the 'rescue' will be the moment spoken of in Revelations 12:5 "while woman escaped into the desert, where God had prepared a place for her to be looked after for twelve hundred and sixty days", which is the reign of the AC and the period where the remnant will be under the protection of our heavenly mother. After all, St. Pope John Paul has made clear that "We are now standing in the face of the greatest historical confrontation humanity has gone through. I do not think that wide circles of the American society or wide circles of the Christian community realize this fully. We are now facing the final confrontation between the Church and the anti-Church, of the Gospel and the anti-Gospel. This confrontation lies within the plans of divine providence. It is a trial which the whole Church… must take up". —Cardinal Karol Wojtyla (JOHN PAUL II). Notice, JPII clearly say's it is the 'final confrontation', not the first nor an intermediary .
    http://www.markmallett.com/blog/understanding-the-final-confrontation/
     
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  19. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Mr Johnson,

    I have recently read "Trial, Tribulation and Triumph" by Desmond A. Birch and your sequence of events, in terms of the Minor and Major Chastisements corresponds with that described in considerable detail by Birch.

    Since we are experiencing the minor apostasy now, I am somewhat relieved I won't see the major one, God help us.
     
  20. miker

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