The Synod has started....

If it is true...

I don't believe it...the Church is currently run in this fashion. Each region has some type of independence to worship and lead its flock. But it must be based on the teachings of the Church. For everyone to do their own thing... is non-sense in so many levels.

You will be able to sin in the United States but not in Africa...pure non-sense.

That is the reason the Vatican exists...to protect the faith.

May Gods Will be Done

 

I have checked the veracity of the report, apparently it is true. We are awaiting the official translation to come through the Vatican. There are "working translations" on the net I have found but I won't link them because I know they will not be perfect. This is a truly seismic event.

 

It is true FS that bishops conferences evolved after Vatican II to deal with local Church issues and have decided upon things like altar girls, Eucharistic ministers, etc. but they have never had sweeping powers such as this. To be able to decide doctrinal issues like whether active homosexuals or civilly divorced and remarried may receive the Eucharist is entirely new and unprecedented. I pray you are right and there is some major misunderstanding in the translation.

 

Not what he is saying...

More balanced article

http://news.yahoo.com/pope-seen-set-urge-flexibility-family-synod-wraps-181040000.html

 

Active homosexuals, adulterers as well as all other sexual diviant activities (contraception)...should not recieve communion. But we shouldn't pick on one sexual perversion.

As for the divorced and remarried... it is really about the annulment process.

It will all work out.

Schism will happen from the outside in...not from the inside out.

 

Please keep your wits about you and don't be swayed by ridiculous articles like that one posted above by the Brits who are still trying to justify the anglican church. Good gravy, look at the ridiculous picture of our Pope that the writer used to lead off his article. Discount that nonsense. Last year's synod half of us were ready to jump off the ledge with the hysterics and worry. But Pope Francis came through in the end, as Jesus promised. Let us either trust Jesus and trust our Pope and stand firm, or we can let the media work their dark magic to get us out of the the safety of our Church.

Here is a more balanced article on the issue, again let's trust our Pope and trust God: http://aleteia.org/2015/10/17/pope-francis-appears-to-be-discerning-decentralization-of-authority/

 

I hope you are both right, but the sources I was looking at for the translation were from EWTN, not exactly loonies.

 

The thought of the Church being decentralised is very scary to me. It makes me feel a terrible sense of insecurity. It is so depressing.

I believe the Apostles warned of people coming in teaching contradictions to what is in the Gospels. I think Apostles would say "Excommunicate" the heretics.

Merciful Jesus warned of Apostasy, Heresy, and Schism among other things to Saint Maria Faustina.
On the Fifth day of the novena in preparation for Divine Mercy Sunday. "Today, bring to Me Heretics and Schismatics." Holy mother Church changed it to "separated brethren" so as not to offend protestants in the light of ecumenism. Our Lord was not talking about protestants, He was 'prophesying' about what we were to become today from the top to the bottom of the Church as far as I can figure out.

Merciful Jesus, how long have we to endure this destruction of the Holy Faith so many of our forefathers died for. Come, Lord Jesus, come soon. Or have pity on me and take me home, I can't take any more of these abominable and desolate threats from those who have a duty to protect me in this exile.

 

The articles you have posted do not seem to say the earlier story was incorrect they just state it in nicer language. Here is a quote from the yahoo news article:

"Such a change could mean that while marriage will remain between a man and a woman and for life, bishops could potentially decide whether or not a divorced but remarried member of their flock can take communion, for example."

This is essentially the problem. It protects Peter from teaching error, but "passes the buck" to the bishops to teach error if they choose.

 

The sky is falling, the sky is falling.

Not what Our Holy Father is doing...what you are saying is called the protestant church. Everyone creates own doctrine. Not what is being discussed.

 

Comes back to annulment process.

 

It was not what I was saying. I was simply responding to the article Padraig posted. Again I hope you are right and there is some grave miscommunication and the bishops will not be given these powers.

 

Unreal. You can take this anywhere, ie. in our "conference" we have found that you have to deny the exisience of Christ to function in society. Pure apostasy!

 

I think in effect it circumvents the annulment process.

 

I sometimes think that if people were able to discipline what goes on below the belt, we would not have all these problems.

Think of it. Henry VIII, Calvin, Luther, and I am certain Mohammet was a fallen Christian. It was and is all about the tools of procreation in the hands of men.

Bring back bromide, and we are in with a chance.

 

Possibly...that is the eye of the needle.

May God Will be Done

 

On a different note...

This is what is happening in the Synod...debate. Little things do matter. But they have to be discussed... for the Spirit to do His Will.

Very exciting times we live in

 

It is still early nothing much has come out yet. This is the final week. They saved all of the "contentious" issues for the end.

 

My first reaction to your comment Praetorian was shock. It says that it is better to desecrate the Eucharist than to decentralise the Church. Is this where traditionalism leads us? How cunning is Satan that he could lead good Catholics to think the priciple of salvific grace should be sacrificed for the expediency of unity. How could any good end come from such a bad means? I believe that as long as the hearts of the faithful are centred in the Sacred and Immaculate Hearts of Jesus and Mary then the true remnant of The Church will prevail. If the Mass becomes a vehicle for mortal sin then we no longer have the mass and as Padre Pio said without the mass we have less chance to survive than without the sun. I was going to have a week off this site but I had to comment. Our Lady said at Garabandal that less and less importance was being given to the Eucharist. Our Lady said at Akita that cardinals would oppose cardinals. Once again Her words are seen to be true. To stay true we have to ride this storm. The Church will always reform from any degree of fragmentation. It will prevail. It will always be Universal even if that Umiversality is not witnessed by the actions of some of its members. Satan may divide but he will never conquer.

 

You better read slowly...i think praetorian was on your side.