Regarding LTTW

Discussion in 'Announcements' started by lynnfiat, Oct 14, 2015.

  1. lynnfiat

    lynnfiat Fiat Voluntas Tua

    Sent: Thu, Oct 8, 2015
    Subject: Re: CHIANGO'S RADIO SHOW EXPLAINS REASON FOR "DELAYED" PROPHECIES

    Dominic:

    I feel like I have to say something in good conscience.

    If I am wrong, I will repent. And I say this will all due respect to everyone on this email list who have a deep love for Our Lady and the Church, including yourself.

    But I would like to say that having been the former developer for the Locutions site, I would have to say that it is false prophecy.

    If the Vatican asked me, I would testify to certain things that don't add up.

    For example, during the election of Pope Francis, the locution said that it was going to be a long conclave. It turned out to be a short one, so they had us change the literal text of the locution.

    At first we did not think much about it and did not understand it.

    But now there have been a string of these false prophecies to where anyone with an open mind could say that this is not of supernatural origin.

    The locution on the financial collapse prophesy was explicitly focused on proving the veracity of the messages. It did not happen, so it is false prophecy, especially because it made a reference to proving the messages veracity through the foretold event.

    It's time to move away from this, lest we be led astray.

    God bless,

    Christopher
     
  2. Infant Jesus of Prague

    Infant Jesus of Prague The More you Honor Me The More I will Bless Thee

    Last Wednesday 10/7 on the Barbra Marian Show she gave as promised on 9/30 show with Paul Regan to contact Msgr Esseff if he is in support/approves the LTTW messages.
    Barbara delivered as promised.
    She called Msgr Esseff and he reffered Barbara to the Chancery for comment. The Chanceler told Barbara Msgr Esseff has NOTHING to do with LTTW since the summer of 2014. Barbara stated the Chanceler said Msgr Esseff took LTTW to court to have his name removed from the LTTW site and Message.

    Barbara was also told these messages are NOT from Heaven and for the Faithful to focus on the numerous APPROVED Marian apparitions.

    Im sure Barbara could have said much on LTTW. she had long conversations with the Chanceller of the Scraton Diocese and Msgr Esseff... per her last show

    Last Note:

    Barbara no longer follows LTTW and Paul Regan who promoted LTTW( by the way he said the nuke and financial collapse in his extended forcast would happen by sept 30th) will NO longer come on Barbaras show....for whatever reason she didn't disclose....Not sure she knows for sure to be honest!

    I give cudos to Barbara, se did what she said and reported to the Remnant. She gave an apology for anyone who was deieved in the audience by her relaying LTTW every weds.
    May our Lord Jesus Bless Barbara for her Honesty and Humility....may many Blessings come thru Barbaras show...

    JMJ ...Pray for US
    Miriam Pray for US
     
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  3. little me

    little me Archangels

    Is there a face-palm emoji? o_O
     
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  4. Pijon

    Pijon Principalities

    It would have been great to know about all of this much, much sooner, and not now that many warned friends and parents about something that never occurred...
     
  5. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Prayers for the poor false visionary. I hope she owns up and get back on track. These times must be difficult for her.

    I have to say I prefer people relaying messages like this not to be anonymous.

    You pays your money , you takes your chances.
     
  6. Infant Jesus of Prague

    Infant Jesus of Prague The More you Honor Me The More I will Bless Thee

    Padraig, one point I didn't mention from Barbaras show( I forgot). She never mentioned the locutionist as a female but as he or she,The Diocese of Scranton wouldn't specify.
    Also, Barbara never stated when Msgr Esseff broke away from LTTW only that the Diocese told her Msgr took LTTW to court in the summer of 2014(I believe she said August 2014).
    Im no legal expert but in lite of lynfiats' post makes me wonder if in 2013 Msgr broke away and asked LTTW to drop his name ? He probably asked kindly to honor his request and with failed attempts obtained a lawyer to issue a cease and desist letter with a time frame to respond by. LTTW ignored and a criminal complaint was filed and was heard by the Court in 2014?
     
  7. Infant Jesus of Prague

    Infant Jesus of Prague The More you Honor Me The More I will Bless Thee

    Great podcast by Msgr Esseff
    The need for Spiritual direction.
    recorded Oct 3rd 2014.
    Much wisdom spoken for all of us... scroll to the 20 minute mark, Kris asks Msgr a question on Discernment. Msgr replies, woe to the one who has themselves as their own guide, you have a fool for a director Msgr stated. In hind site, makes me wonder if hes referring indirectly to LTTW?
    BKL76 – The Need for Spiritual Direction
    October 3, 2014 / Msgr. John Esseff / No comments

    Msgr. Esseff reflects on why we need spiritual direction on the spiritual journey.

    Gospel MT 21:28-32

    http://www.msgrjohnesseff.net/?p=2711
     
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  8. Infant Jesus of Prague

    Infant Jesus of Prague The More you Honor Me The More I will Bless Thee

    another good talk

    What is God’s will for you today? The need for Discernment
    December 30, 2014 / Msgr. John Esseff / Comments Off

    What is God’s will for you today? The need for Discernment

    Msgr. Esseff addresses the importance of following the will of God and the need for proper discernment. What is “proper” discernment? How do we know it is actually God speaking in our hearts and not our own desires or the voice of the enemy? Do we take the time to truly listen? Do we seek proper affirmation and direction? These are just some of the questions addressed in this teaching.
    Gospel lk 2:36-40

    http://www.msgrjohnesseff.net/?p=3226
     
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  9. It seems the seer disobey the commandments of Our Lady. She had to obey Msgr Essef but she did not. Then she began to be deceived.
     
  10. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)

    I don't think there can be anonymous seers...that is part of the cross you carry. If you say you are getting messages, you can't hide and give them.

    There is a cross that comes with messages.

    :) :(
     
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  11. padraig

    padraig Powers

    As far as I recall St Catherine Laboure remained anonymous until her death at her own choosing. I suspect but don't know that the reason why heavenpermitted this is that the Clericla authorities were not responding to her wishes.

    Also St Margaret Mary remine dpretty well anonymous for most of her life, at her own wish.

    Generally though visionaries beomce pretty up front, whether they want to or not . I think this is a good thing as it helps discernment.

    As far as I recall in LTTW earlier reports said she was a woman.

    I am open to this suggestion because I have a feeling he might have been posting on this forum at one stage.

    But that is all water under the bridge. Byt he way a very famous, suthentic mystic got in touch with me to warn me about this gentleman saying he had the worst feeling he ever had about a fellow human being.

    But as I say it's all water under the bridge.
     
  12. padraig

    padraig Powers

    There hae of course been other cases where apparitions, apparently authenitc started out well and ended up in the dumps.

    Even visionaries have free choice, for good and evil. As we all have.

    St Bernadette for instance did not beomce a saint because she saw Our Lady. She became a saint because she opened herself to grace. She could have chosen differently than she did.
     
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  13. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)

    Thats interesting...

    Many roads...many saints

    :)
     
  14. Harper

    Harper Guest

    Not sure I'm following who the "he" was who might have been posting on this and who also made the authentic mystic issue a warning ("worst feeling he ever had about a fellow human being"). Is it just a typo and should be "she"?

    It is starting to sound as if there were clear red flags going up surrounding that people ignored. I sincerely wish Msgr. Esseff had gone public earlier in the process and saved many people grief. So, too, if the mystic had spoken up publicly.
     
  15. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I am going to leave this now.

    Its all a den of worms . No good raking up the past.

    Bye
     
  16. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    Can you name any Padraig ? that were authentic and ended deceived? It is fine if you dont want too.
    I can think of one that [and this is just my opinion] that started out a deception and Our Lady kinda fixed it. Is that even possible?? Or am I being ridiculous?
     
  17. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I have never heard of one being false and turning out good Mac. I doubt this would be possible. Jesus talks of the man who builds his house on false foundations and it fell down.

    1 Corinthians 3:12

    Christ the Only Foundation
    11For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work.…

    It seems to me if you start with a lie you will only ever end up with lies

    An example of a place that started out great but went to pot a lot, I think was Garabandal. Padre Pio apparently on speaking of Garanandal said, 'It is true. But the devil entered in'.

    That is why I think it is still so controversial. I still believe in it but with certain reservations and for that reason.

    Even at Lourdes there are numerous reports of diabolical attempts at infiltration,
     
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  18. padraig

    padraig Powers

    The devil never rests. Not for a moment.
     
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  19. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    I have never heard of one being evil and then good also.
    But cannot God make good out of evil?
    As I say it is just my opinion. I do not hold to Our Lady of Nations. I think the church judged right at the start.
    But I do believe in Akita.
     
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  20. Joe Crozier

    Joe Crozier Guest

    This quote from Padre Pio came through his friend Mary Pye, an American, who told Donal Enright a 90 year old man from Ireland who listened into conversations but did not bother Padre Pio out of respect and consideration, that Padre Pio had said this. And now we are told. Even if the devil had entered Garabandal this does not discredit anything. The devil enters much that is holy through portals of sin. It does not mean he gains control. The very letters from Padre Pio demonstrate his faith in the events and the seers. Nothing essential has been hidden in the story of Garabandal. The good and not so good elements have been reported. This is an important element in my faith in it. I do not see any period where Garabandal 'went to pot.' The pot was just taken off the boil when the devil turned the heat up. I see some times and circumstances in which things seemed to get a bit difficult but as far as I can see Garabandal came through, scarred but whole and wholesome with flying colours despite denials retraction and detraction. The seers are the first to admit their imperfections but Conchita and Jacinta have always taken the light of themselves and pointed to the perfection of the Blessed Mother. It is controversial only to those who see controversy rather than conviction. As ever it is in the eye of the beholder. Taken as a whole to me it is and has always been utterly believable in the messages and in the main prophesies just as they have been passed on.
     
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