Locutions to the World

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  1. Marty haynes

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  2. Marty haynes

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    You are right in all you are saying. I am waiting to here from the Bishop in Scranton to see what he can tell me about Monsignor Esseff and where is on this issue. I called Monsignor Esseff ' cell phone yesterday and he did not answer. In the past he has given spiritual advice. He called me 2 weeks ago before all of this confusion took place. If the Bishop allows me I will make clear the truth and defend his name regardless of what really happened behind the scene
     
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  3. Marty haynes

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    I have just personally spoken to Monsignor Esseff. He told me he does not support the Locutions To The World. He does not go in to detail about it. He did say he believes God does speak to some people and he can only try to discern what is from God and what is not from God. I myself may be a false receiver of Gods words and I am suffering for it greatly I am fighting daily for my life. That is my problem and I only bringing this up to let people know how dangerous prophecy can be.
     
  4. Heidi

    Heidi Powers

    My thought exactly, and that is what I intend to do. I never believed LTTW, but I think I am done reading messages and instead will concentrate on being a faithful Catholic.
     
  5. Marty haynes

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    I think that is what people need to do. I believe that stands true for all claims of visions ,locutions,and prophecies. In can be dangerous to many. It takes away from what God is asking people to do. Prophecy if heard should be taken in decerned by each indivdual and left alone after that
     
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  6. Thank you, Summer Fields, for sharing your thoughts on the Locutions, and the “fruit” it bore for you. Ditto.


    If any of you were like me, after reading the Locutions in September, you pictured a dramatic economic event during the Pope’s visit, the media all over it, America finally gets its wake-up call and turns to Pope Francis in this “new situation”. Of course, the Pope came and went, it fell short of these expectations, and begged the question, were the Locutions wrong?

    Thank you Earth to Angels for pointing out something that helped me ponder this question. The Locutions referred to September as a “moment”, so I sat down and read all the Locutions for September. Then I compared them to the Pope’s speeches and events and I began to ask, “Were the Locutions wrong, or were my expectations wrong?

    One example for me was the Pope’s speech at the World Meeting of Families. His speech had several connections with the locutions. He talked about how God created the world and families out of his great love. He said, “…And because sometimes we are a bit CONFUSED, we are DESTROYING it. But the most beautiful thing that God did, says the Bible, was the family.” Compare those words to this locution, “…the opposing forces will be clearly drawn up. Satan will have his terrorists, his nuclear Iran and all the CONFUSION caused by the DESTRUCTION of stable structures” (Sep 5 Locution). Family, of course, is the most important structure. The Pope refers to family with a kind of structural word elsewhere in this speech, “the FACTORY of Joy”. By the way, if you haven’t seen this speech yet, treat yourself, it’s wonderful.

    Then, consider this was not the speech he was going to make. As one article titled it, “Pope Francis Ditches Political Speech for Jokes and Improvised Address on Family“. In a way, he “shifted his message” like it says in this locution, “His presence in America will be my sign that the Church is very important in saving mankind from its own follies. Toward the end of his trip, he will have to shift his message and address the new world situation” (Sep 3 Locution). Another reference to the “new situation” is in a locution from Sept 9 which seems to be speaking of far-reaching, spiritual issues, “Pope Francis will understand the NEW SITUATION and will adjust the goals of his papacy. He will not understand the fullness of all that is to happen but I will help him in this new moment for the Church”. And these words from Sept 13, “New papal graces will pour out and I will lead him on a new search to discover the Church’s role in this NEW SITUATION.”

    I had assumed that when the Locutions said he would “shift his message and address the new world situation” it referred to economic problems during his visit. But now, I was starting to think the shift might have been about something far more important than money – family. Kind of like the line in the Grinch, “Christmas…perhaps…means a little bit more.” Quite frankly, I began to see my expectations about economic problems during his visit, my undue focus on that, as rather shallow.

    However, the locutions did speak of collapse, and I had to ask, were they wrong about the predictions of collapse during the Pope’s visit? Like Summer Fields, I noticed the Locutions states in several places the collapse occurs over time, it would be “long.” When I Googled the definition of “collapse” I was surprised, it’s nothing like what I pictured. Economists define collapse as a depressed economy over months or years, like in the Great Depression, not something that happens in a day or a few days, like a crash, which is what I was picturing. Well, we did have “collapsing” going on in the market while he was here, and we can keep watching to see if "collapsing" continues.

    There is also information online about the “collapsing” of the world’s big economies during the Pope’s visit. I had to remember, this is not just about us. This is about the world’s economics, as it says in this locution, “I deliberately brought the Pope to America, the world’s financial center, to be here when it takes place”. (sept 3) And, given that a collapse is long, this challenged my assumption that an entire collapse would happen during the Pope’s visit to increase the faith of those who read the locutions beforehand, “So that my message will be believed, it will take place while the Pope is at the world’s financial center” (Sept 7). Instead, perhaps months or a year from now, people worldwide will look back, read the Locutions, realize a collapse began during the Pope’s visit and it continued, and THEN, “my message will be believed”.

    I also watched the last three minutes of the speech by the Fed Chair last week, thank you Mother Superior for posting that. That speech alone gives you lots to ponder about whether “collapsing” is occurring. We should be praying for her and all influences in that situation.

    All of these things that I could only have seen over time are expressed in this locution, “At a much deeper level, there will be a trembling which few can understand. A war begins, heaven and hell locked in mortal combat, a shifting, a tremendous shifting which is so important for the future of the Church and the world.“ (sept 22)

    And, in the midst of all of this, I read a very motherly message, “Set your wild imaginings aside and ponder my words.” (sept 11) Yes, Mother.

    So, thank you all, for helping me ponder the Locutions which I will continue to ponder. And, thank you Mother of God website for providing this great forum.
     
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  7. My most recent posting occured before I saw this message of yours, Marty. I am checking on Monsignor's position on this myself, and if this is true, I will certainly "ponder" this as well. Thank you, Marty.
     
  8. Marty haynes

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    It is true I spoke to him personally he has been in my life for awhile now. He is very private and to the point on all issues he speaks about and he brings Gods name into every conversation he has.
     
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  9. hope

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    Charlie Johnston's blog on Lttw has been mentioned and here are some comments on the article Charlie wrote:


    gdallaire1 says:
    September 28, 2015 at 3:06 pm

    Hi Charlie,
    While I agree with your perspective on this, there is one part I would like to address. As I reported in the article I wrote ( http://www.mysticsofthechurch.com/2015/09/locutions-to-world-false-visionary.html ) concerning LTTW on the “Mystics of the Church” website, the locutionist of “Locutions to the World” gave the locution on Sept. 3, 2015 as A MESSAGE COMING DIRECTLY FROM THE VIRGIN MARY. While there are times when subjective interpretation of the locutionist/visionary/mystic is involved, this was related as a heavenly prediction coming directly from the Virgin Mary, with specific events and a time frame involved, that being an economic crash while the Pope was in America. In such a message there is really no interpretation involved, similar to the one given to you concerning the miraculous Rescue in late 2017. This message and prediction was a direct and very specific prophesy allegedly from “Mary”, and in this case with the Pope leaving America, the purported message and prediction from “Mary” has shown itself to be completely false.

    At Fatima, the Virgin Mary said that She would be coming on the 13th of each month, and so She did. In this case, we have a specific message related as coming directly from the Virgin Mary, and it has been proven false. A prophesy of this origin–related as coming directly from the Virgin Mary–and with this specificity, if proven false, as this one now has been, makes the messenger a false prophet from the date of the failed prophesy onwards.

    This is why I personally feel that I can very confidently state that in this case the locutionist from Locutions to the World is not an authentic messenger of God, at least from the messages from Sept 3, 2015 onwards.

    Simply put: The Virgin Mary does not make false predictions, and this message was simple, direct, specific and as time has shown, completely false.

    May God bless you and your loved ones,
    Glenn Dallaire
    Host of http://www.mysticsofthechurch.com

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    charliej373 says:
    September 28, 2015 at 3:17 pm

    You are precisely right, Glenn. I reckon I will have to edit it, but that will have to be later tonight, as I am preparing the big presentation with Mark Mallett and Kitty Cleveland. I have always been careful to differentiate what I have interpreted, versus what I have been told. I have interpreted wrongly a few times – but those things coming directly from my angel or from Our Lord or Our Lady have ever been true. You are right on this precisely. The locutionist may be sincere, but she is not authentic.

    And this:

    David says:
    September 28, 2015 at 7:14 pm

    Glenn,
    You neglected to mention that after the collapse didn’t happen, on Saturday LttW posted a new message where she was blaming Satan for not causing the collapse! Sorry but since the LttW website is down I can’t provide the exact quote. So if we were to believe that LttW was legitimate we’d also have to believe that Satan has the power to disrupt world events such that it would make people doubt the Blessed Mother and she didn’t have the ability to foresee this.

    https://charliej373.wordpress.com/2015/09/28/on-prophecy-and-lttw/comment-page-1/#comment-31908
     
  10. AllyinNY

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    Paul Regan is on right now talking about locutions.
     
  11. Thank you for posting, Hope. Do I understand this correctly - Charlie Johnston is telling Glen that he is right about Locutions being invalid, because Loctions predicted on 9/3 "an economic crash while the Pope was in America" which didn't occur. Is that right?
     
  12. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)

    Ok what did he say

    :)

     
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  13. AllyinNY

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    Paul Regan believes the Locutions were authentic and that the Sept. 20th message says that the events would be delayed. Anyone have this message saved since the Locutions website is down?
     
  14. Amazing Grace

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    Locutions to the World
    September 26 at 1:37am ·

    MARY'S EMBRACE OF HUMANKIND
    20) September 20, 2015

    Mary

    It is not good to delay any more. Constantly the timetable has been pushed back. The reckoning has been delayed by the clever scheming of those who do not want the truth to come to light. This has only multiplied the problems and complicated the solutions.

    It is best for the dam to break now rather than later. The greater the delay, the greater the harm. So, it must happen now while there is still time because the economy is not the only ill facing mankind.

    Why allow the world to go along its merry way, constantly multiplying its debts, when it faces enemies on many sides? The world must be awakened, jolted and made ready to hear my voice.

    Hearing my voice, awakening to my presence, realizing my closeness and accepting my help are the good effects. These can no longer be postponed. The world is safe only in my arms. I would embrace humankind, every single person, every group and every nation.

    The Catholic Church retains a deep stream of devotion. Many saints have exalted me. My apparitions have awakened many and fostered this devotion. Yet, all of this is woefully inadequate.

    I want to fully release my powers upon the Church and the world. I want to assume the role which the heavenly Father has given to me. As yet, only a few have had small glimpses of my power and even fewer understand my full prerogatives.

    The breakthrough can no longer be delayed. Too much time has been lost. I must come in a fullness never seen or experienced before.
     
  15. MMM

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    No offence intended but these connections you are making are so weak and loose as to seem almost desperate for a connection.

    So Mary said the collaspe would be so bad the Pope would change his talks to address the new world situation. So Mary inspired the Pope to address the new world situation through an improvised address on the family??

    And no offence to MS7 but nukes mentioned and finding anything related to nukes like possible accident just seems reaching also to me.

    If this is how heaven actually communicated we'd all be doomed!!

    LTTW, no pulse, dead, buried, don't ever exhume!! :)

    I realize some people were believers and are going to have to work through the realization they were wrong and these were false. May take some time but trying to justify the unjustifiable seems out of place. These or any private locutions (especially not church approved) just arn't that important!!!!!!


     
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  16. AllyinNY

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    According to Paul Regan, what I highlighted in red, is what he refers to as the reason that the economic collapse or "nuclear" event didn't take place when Pope Francis was here in the USA. He said it was delayed to due to evil forces.
     
  17. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)

    I am officially a prophet :)



     
  18. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)

    So evil can deny Gods will...interesting.

    When will the madness end

    :)


     
  19. AllyinNY

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    Don't shoot the messenger! LOL. I don't know the host's name, but she was clearly not buying it. She said she was going to make contact with Msgr. Esseff to get clarification from him.

    He said "evil sources intervened" and used the Blessed Mother's Fatima non-apparition of August 13th, 1917 as an example of how that can happen. He said that the Blessed Mother promised the children of Fatima that she would appear to them on the 13th of each month, but he did not appear on August 13th of that year because the children were in prison.
     
  20. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    piccadillo, you should not continue to throw the baby out with the bath water. Yes, the Russian leadership is corrupt as is ours. However there are good and even holy people within these cointries. If/when Russia brings the faith back to the world it will be its people NOT its government. All goverments will collapse before it is remade. Governments are corrupt, but not all its citizens.

    Also, if you have such high regard for the Orthodox Church why not join that and leave Peter?
     
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