Apostasy

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Is the Church heading towards Apostasy?

  1. Yes

    27 vote(s)
    75.0%
  2. No

    9 vote(s)
    25.0%
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  1. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    Yeah. Benedict just couldnt find any other clothes:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

    Having to explain why he had kept the title of “Pope Emeritus”, the name “His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI and the white cassock, Ratzinger wrote verbatim: “at the moment of my renunciation there were no other clothes available.”
     
  2. Blue Horizon

    Blue Horizon Guest

    Mac are you having a bad hair day or something?

    Pope Francis was clearly speaking of those who are more concerned about outward observance of the law than inward observance.

    Some members here appear unable to understand the difference between the two and that often people cannot easily get both right. If we ever find ourselves in that unfortunate position it is clear we try to observe the law in our hearts even if our outward lives have yet to catch up in some important areas.
     
  3. Aviso

    Aviso Guest

    No Joe, Serafin denied it :

    «And what does your brother Serafin say about this?

    Conchita : He says that if the Miracle is not sure, that I should clearly say the truth; that he will take me away from here and bring me wherever I want. But how could Serafin think like this since I told him the date yesterday?

    Serafing : Well — responded Serafin who was present there — you didn't tell me anything like the date. You told me a thing, a happening, which if it occurs will let me know the Miracle is coming,»

    This happening is linkded the last and next Synod (a Synod about the Eucharist), confirmed to me, to my question do you think the last Synod as the next Synod are linked to Garabandal ?: The reply has been from many different sources : Yes of Course then as always I double check with Madre Nieves and received another confirmation, so I can confirm today without any possible doubt this information, Yes the 16th and the 17th Synods are linked to Garabandal, the 18th should be linked to the Garabandal Prophecies (the 18h = This happening from Serafin), keep this news from me.

    As I said, if I can, I will of course help then anyone is free to believe or not.

    It's also why I am worried when I say that Heaven will not accept any changes linked to the Eucharist, if some changes or updates are planned and confirmed, in my opinion this is an open door to the Chastisement of Garabandal confirmed in Akita 12 years later, this should be avoided at all costs by anyone of good will, I beg you to understand very well what I am telling you (despite my English), Pope Francis still has this possibility and to reconfirm the teaching of the Church after the next Synod so we must Pray for the Holy Father, day and night, please be sure of that.


    Aviso

    garabandalnews.org
     
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  4. Basto

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    Much scarier than the possibility of a Pope changing the most holy and infallible teaching of the Church (a true Pope will never do it) is the increasing amount of (supposed) Catholics that actually wouldn’t mind that or, even worse, they hope that, or even much worse they pray for that. This is the reason why I voted ‘Yes’ on the survey.

    The biggest punishment from God for such pride on the humankind, much worse than nuclear wars, famine or diseases, would be the appearance of that new false Catholic religion, with a new counterfeit mercy leading souls to hell. Even in that case, in the worst unexpected scenario, the true Church of Christ will always remain, perhaps even growing in holiness, because Jesus Christ shall never leave His bride.

    Let’s pray God to be spared in this “final battle between Christ and reign Satan”.
    [​IMG]
     
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  5. Joe Crozier

    Joe Crozier Guest

    Hi Aviso
    As ever, your English is infinitly better than my French. I like your attempts to express yourself in English. They are part of your 'charm.'
    Those who have read the info on page 190 of SWIHTTM will see that it is different from yours even though you quote Serafin. As you say people are free to choose. That info concerns both the Miracle and Warning.
    Thank you for your confirmation from Mother Nieves. The info on your old blog Sat 11 Oct 2014 relates to this. Again this can be seen on whatisgarabandal.
    Of course I agree we should pray for the Pope. I have done so every time I make my morning offering as I was taught as a child. God bless and protect him.
     
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  6. Basto

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  7. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    Aviso, what you have written here in relation to Holy Mass changes is interesting.

    I don't know what may be happening in other countries; but I was sad when maybe two years ago, at the beginning of Holy Mass, after the Confiteor our Priests used to say the little prayer like a simple absolution along with making the sign of the Cross over the congregation.

    I always was grateful for this simple absolution, in preparation for the sacred liturgy and Eucharist. When the Priest stopped making the sign of the cross over the congregation, I was so sad and went and asked our Priest why? He told me the Bishops had decided this was not in the older Rubrics or whatever they are called. And it is a change most people don't seem to even notice.

    Secondly, I was shocked to hear the Priest refer to the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass as a reconciliation. I questioned him about this and couldn't understand his answer. I said to him I thought Confession and absolution was reconciliation, and that the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass was essentially a Sacrifice of Atonement. And Jesus our Saviour is the Sacrifice offered in an unbloody manner. At least that is what I was taught at school. I am still puzzled by this quiet change which I don't thing most people are even aware of.

    It troubles me; but I just put my trust in God to save us.

    It would not be fair to think this is Holy Father Francis doing. I think there are changes put in place by the Bishops, and Priests have to be obedient.
     
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  8. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    I have voted NO to the Apostasy question because Christ is the Head of the Church and the Mystical body of the church here on earth is one with Christ.

    It is impossible for the Mystical body to be torn from its Head. And Jesus promised the gates of hell will never prevail against His Church.

    This earthly Mystical body may mean a small remnant as Pope Benedict once said:

    If you ask the question in another way, I would answer YES to a global Apostasy from the Faith.

    Our Lord did say. "When I return, will I still find Faith on earth."

    We know the answer to that in the present moment, I think. "No, just a remnant."
     
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  9. Basto

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  12. Blue Horizon

    Blue Horizon Guest

    Basto how about we move beyond adolescent hit and run dumping of melodramatic pictures and inaccurate headings from single-issue websites (Church Militant) ... and actually analyse content in a mature adult fashion.

    There are some views here worth teasing out and discussing.

    For example, why do some Catholics think that there is nothing virtuous or even graced in ANY person who is cohabiting sexually be it het or homo?

    I know some on this forum find such views distasteful, indeed my raising this question last year led up to my being thrown off! However it is becoming a question that won't go away, even amongst our Cardinals. It'san elephant in the room whose presence at least needs to be recognised.
     
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  13. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Oh Blue I suspect when you got escorted out the door it was more than a case of wicked censorship on my part.

    Please don't go winding me up.

    [​IMG]
     
  14. garabandal

    garabandal Powers


    1 Corinthians 6v9-11
    Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

    Sister Lucia
    "More souls go to Hell because of sins of the flesh than for any other reason".

    Sr Lucia, the last living Fatima seer, said this refers primarily to sins against
    chastity, also called sins of impurity. The reason for this statement is not because sins
    against chastity are the most grievous sins, but the most common and, as Sr Lucia stated,
    "because of conscience, " since sins of impurity are less likely to be repented of than other
    sins. Why? because the sense of injustice committed, which is the primary stimulus to
    repent of one's sins, is not strongly felt when engaging in them.

     
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  15. Blue Horizon

    Blue Horizon Guest

    Come on Padraig, you know this sort of topic winds you up independent of my being the messenger ... I know you can own it, come on...
     
  16. Blue Horizon

    Blue Horizon Guest

    Now I recall!
    Such a topic was beyond the pale for you too G?
    Instead of the impersonal strong black quotes... why not some mature personal analysis?

    We all know that some fornicators and adulterers and drunkards do enter the Kingdom... ahead of us well Catholic marriage licenced pharisees don't we... regardless of your interpretation of the above Scripture quote!

    And with the more cognizant Marriage Tribunals criteria from Pope Francis those we thought were adulterers will be seen to have been graced the whole time... won't they?
     
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  17. Basto

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    As you can see I am not a native English speaker and when I first read your comment I thought for a moment that you were trying to date me, I’m really sorry. Anyway I didn’t write those news and they are not about me, indeed they worry me as I’m Catholic, they should worry you to. But as this is an open forum, I suppose we can get people here from very different creeds…
     
  18. Joe Crozier

    Joe Crozier Guest

    Basto has a sense of humour. Very good. :ROFLMAO:
     
  19. MarysChild

    MarysChild Principalities

    Hmmm....well, fornicators, adulterers, drunkards, etc. certainly do enter the Kingdom - if they are repentant. The context of the Scripture passage obviously refers to unrepentant grave sinners.

    Be careful about saying "those we thought were adulterers will be seen to have been graced the whole time." #1 - if they are engaging in sexual relations before obtaining an annulment, it is indeed adultery, even if an annulment is granted later on. Perhaps there may be exceptions if one is morally CERTAIN that their previous marriage was invalid, but one should fear to tread there, because personal bias and desire can make it almost impossible to be objective in such an analysis. #2 - there is no guarantee that the decisions of marriage tribunals are correct, but the authority of the Church is behind them.
     
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  20. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    My understanding is that the Church consists of not just the souls here on Earth, but also, of course, those who have gone before us to Heaven and Purgatory. Therefore, would it not be a possibility for the Church not to exist on Earth at the Eschaton, while still existing in the other realms? This is not an assertion but a question.
     
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